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points or age on bucks... #4138847
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Do you manage your bucks based off of points...6 point or better, 8 point or better etc or age...3 1/2 or older, 4 1/2 or older etc? Why?

Re: points or age on bucks... [Re: Smann] #4138853
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Age Age Age…..no spots, BANG

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Re: points or age on bucks... [Re: Smann] #4138855
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Age only. Managing by points gets most of your genetically superior bucks killed early in their lifespan and long before they have an opportunity to reach maturity and really show what kind of rack they are capable of producing as well as limiting their ability to pass on those superior high point count, genes. Also, having a point requirement normally limits/prohibits you from taking out older aged bucks with inferior racks that really need to go. 4 1/2 is a good rule of thumb as far as rack development because most bucks are at 80-90% at that age, but in AL, with the season length, out of whack sex ratio, rut stress, pressure, poaching and night hunting, and an overall lack of trigger restraint among the legal hunters, I've talked to a bunch of guys that are now backing off the 4.5 rule and going to 3.5's. They're getting tired of passing a pile of 115-135" or better 3 yr olds only to never see them again in older age classes. Managing for bucks in AL is a very frustrating endeavor and unless you control 5000 plus acres or hunt in a fence, your neighbors will have more of an impact on your management goals than you do. Most of Alabama simply will not pass a 90-100" 6 or 8 point, regardless of his age.

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Re: points or age on bucks... [Re: Smann] #4138860
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We'd have better age structure if everyone managed by "score" instead of age


We dont rent pigs
Re: points or age on bucks... [Re: CNC] #4138867
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Originally Posted by CNC
We'd have better age structure if everyone managed by "score" instead of age




No,,,, I don't let a five year old 110 ,,, 120 walk . He's buger

Re: points or age on bucks... [Re: CNC] #4138873
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Originally Posted by CNC
We'd have better age structure if everyone managed by "score" instead of age


How can that be better ? Age structure managed by age would seem to be the logical process.

Re: points or age on bucks... [Re: BPI] #4138878
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Originally Posted by BPI
Originally Posted by CNC
We'd have better age structure if everyone managed by "score" instead of age


How can that be better ? Age structure managed by age would seem to be the logical process.


Every buck in the woods has the potential to reach 3 ½ or 4 ½ and get shot because of it……..Only about 1/3 of them have the potential to reach 120 or 130 or whatever you decide……


We dont rent pigs
Re: points or age on bucks... [Re: Smann] #4138964
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I'm REAL picky , I like age , big antlers , heavy weight , not broken up , close to the road ......................

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Re: points or age on bucks... [Re: CNC] #4138967
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Originally Posted by CNC
We'd have better age structure if everyone managed by "score" instead of age

Whataloadofchit


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Re: points or age on bucks... [Re: CNC] #4138968
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Originally Posted by CNC
We'd have better age structure if everyone managed by "score" instead of age


I agree! 4X4 and 5X4 should be 140" min. 5X5 and more 150" min. laugh



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Re: points or age on bucks... [Re: Smann] #4138980
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Depends on the objectives of who’s hunting. Using a minimum point restriction is about the worst way to manage a deer herd. It does nothing to protect any age class or antler size of deer. It always leads to high grading. It’s about the only way that I refuse to manage a place. You can use any number of other antler criteria to protect most deer in whatever age class you want protected, like minimum main beam or inside spread, and even minimum score, but the BEST way is an age based criteria. Sorry CNC. 😜

The problem is getting everyone to agree on the age to protect, and the age of individual deer. At the end of the day, be reasonable and have fun.

Re: points or age on bucks... [Re: Mbrock] #4138993
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Originally Posted by Mbrock
, but the BEST way is an age based criteria. Sorry CNC. 😜


Best way for accomplishing what??......I said score would create better age structure and it would.....


We dont rent pigs
Re: points or age on bucks... [Re: Smann] #4138996
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Age based harvesting is the best way to allow your bucks with the most potential to reach said potential. Antler based harvesting results in the deer with the most potential being killed a couple years too early. Also doesn't allow for killing over-mature bucks with few points.


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Re: points or age on bucks... [Re: CNC] #4138998
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Originally Posted by CNC
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, but the BEST way is an age based criteria. Sorry CNC. 😜


Best way for accomplishing what??......I said score would create better age structure and it would.....

In my experience the clubs who’ve implemented a minimum score only did so for so long, and decided to go in a different direction. One I know real well went to a 120” minimum and they all but stopped producing 140-150” deer because they killed every 120” 3-4 year old on the place every year. It is just another way to high grade. I’ve rarely seen it lead to higher age structure long term.

Re: points or age on bucks... [Re: Smann] #4139000
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Here's a subject that hasn't been beat to death in the last 10 months...

Re: points or age on bucks... [Re: Mbrock] #4139001
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Originally Posted by Mbrock
Depends on the objectives of who’s hunting. Using a minimum point restriction is about the worst way to manage a deer herd. It does nothing to protect any age class or antler size of deer. It always leads to high grading. It’s about the only way that I refuse to manage a place. You can use any number of other antler criteria to protect most deer in whatever age class you want protected, like minimum main beam or inside spread, and even minimum score, but the BEST way is an age based criteria. Sorry CNC. 😜

The problem is getting everyone to agree on the age to protect, and the age of individual deer. At the end of the day, be reasonable and have fun.

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And i shot one to young this year last minute of legal - just went off horn - messed up - shot future stud amd it stung some. I thought back thru scenario to learn and remember thinking his body was not real big. And the small body made the horns look really big

Age for me and the only last minute shooting needs to be if you sold on the body/age. If not - i dont need to shoot

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Re: points or age on bucks... [Re: Smann] #4139112
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Rule #1 - be happy

Rule #2 - They are deer. Another one will be born this year or next. If you shoot the wrong one, the world will keep spinning.

Rule #3 - If you are managing less than 2500 acres, or are at/near the edge of said 2500 acres, that 2 year old may never be seen again on your property. Could get shot by a neighbor, hit by a log truck, or et by coyotes. If you shoot him, he will be replaced quickly, or see rule #2.

Re: points or age on bucks... [Re: Smann] #4139149
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Originally Posted by CNC
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We'd have better age structure if everyone managed by "score" instead of age


How can that be better ? Age structure managed by age would seem to be the logical process.


Every buck in the woods has the potential to reach 3 ½ or 4 ½ and get shot because of it……..Only about 1/3 of them have the potential to reach 120 or 130 or whatever you decide……


If you're managing age structure alone , shouldn't that be the only indicator to do so ? Don't get me wrong, antler growth can help when ageing deer, but it's not entirely conclusive. Body size, physical appearance, etc, are even more conclusive IMO. 3-4 year old deer bumping 130 would be the exact reason NOT to go by antler growth alone, would it not ?

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