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Re: Growing Deer TV seed [Re: Mbrock] #4129263
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Originally Posted by Mbrock
Here’s two fields of the vitalize nitro boost. I also added a few lbs of cow peas I had left over from another field. It already has cowpeas in it, but mine has more. 😂
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How long after planting?

It looks like the vitalize seed is almost the same blend as the release seed I was talking about. Both advertise to accomplish the same things. Prices and coverage were very similar as well. Availability and shipping costs would probably be the deciding factors on which one to get.

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Here’s the nitro boost taken a few days ago.

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Re: Growing Deer TV seed [Re: Pwyse] #4148910
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Wow, that's doing great Matt! Did you fertilize at all when planting?


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Re: Growing Deer TV seed [Re: Pwyse] #4148919
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That has received zero fertilizer, and it’s on a ridge with about 2” of sandy loan over a deep red clay soil.
It’s also the last surviving field I’ve got. The others were destroyed in about two weeks once the deer decided to do it.
I’ve put a fence around one other forage soybean field and hope to let the deer in around late July.

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Re: Growing Deer TV seed [Re: Mbrock] #4148933
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Originally Posted by Mbrock
It’s also the last surviving field I’ve got. The others were destroyed in about two weeks once the deer decided to do it.


That’s about the extent of it……then you’re left trying to grow some kind of biomass in its place……It’s why I finally came to the conclusion to just go ahead and grow the "other stuff" from the start……It would take some really high end management with some big fields to justify trying to grow summer plots over what can be accomplished going a simpler route. Folks don’t want to hear that but it just is what it is no matter how many times we try to pound that square peg into the round hole. It makes for some pretty pictures though. wink smile

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Re: Growing Deer TV seed [Re: CNC] #4148936
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Originally Posted by CNC
Originally Posted by Mbrock
It’s also the last surviving field I’ve got. The others were destroyed in about two weeks once the deer decided to do it.


That’s about the extent of it……then you’re left trying to grow some kind of biomass in its place……It’s why I finally came to the conclusion to just go ahead and grow the "other stuff" from the start……It would take some really high end management with some big fields to justify trying to grow summer plots over what can be accomplished going a simpler route. Folks don’t want to hear that but it just is what it is no matter how many times we try to pound that square peg into the round hole. It makes for some pretty pictures though. wink smile

Yeah I’ve been telling ppl for several years now to stop expecting your food plots to look like commercial agriculture fields because we have two different objectives. Deer are hammering our ragweed, elderberry, pokeweed, Peppervine, vervain, etc. Manage it alongside your crops and use it rather than fight it.

Re: Growing Deer TV seed [Re: Pwyse] #4149140
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If you’re trying to manage using “regenerative ag” on small fields then you really need for there to be stuff in there that the deer don’t eat……That way you have something to produce your biomass at the end of the cycle. If you just make your soil fertile in your food plots it will grow attractive plants during the summer that the deer will pick out and eat….The stuff they don’t eat is what keeps you from having a bare field at the end of the summer.

You also gotta ask yourself this question.... if we’re being for real, for real…….How much impact to overall “herd health” did you create with those two weeks of the deer demolishing the plots??......My guess is virtually none…..About the only way I could see it having a significant impact is if you had enough acreage so that the deer could browse high protein forage all summer OR if you had enough acreage to put a fence around and then turn them loose during the late summer when other food sources become more limited. Either scenario you gotta be able to produce a BUNCH of it for it to make a difference.


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Re: Growing Deer TV seed [Re: CNC] #4149598
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Originally Posted by CNC
If you’re trying to manage using “regenerative ag” on small fields then you really need for there to be stuff in there that the deer don’t eat……That way you have something to produce your biomass at the end of the cycle. If you just make your soil fertile in your food plots it will grow attractive plants during the summer that the deer will pick out and eat….The stuff they don’t eat is what keeps you from having a bare field at the end of the summer.

You also gotta ask yourself this question.... if we’re being for real, for real…….How much impact to overall “herd health” did you create with those two weeks of the deer demolishing the plots??......My guess is virtually none…..About the only way I could see it having a significant impact is if you had enough acreage so that the deer could browse high protein forage all summer OR if you had enough acreage to put a fence around and then turn them loose during the late summer when other food sources become more limited. Either scenario you gotta be able to produce a BUNCH of it for it to make a difference.



Amen! Plant summer crops for turkeys and doves. Let the deer get out and scrap for a living for a few months. They get plenty of welfare during deer season.


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Re: Growing Deer TV seed [Re: Pwyse] #4149698
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It’s so bad you’ve got to do that just about everywhere anyway. Summer crops don’t stand a chance in a lot of areas if it’s something deer are attracted to.

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Re: Growing Deer TV seed [Re: Pwyse] #4149862
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Would yall please send some deer to my lease??? Heck, I will come pick some up if I can borrow a livestock trailer too!!!


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Re: Growing Deer TV seed [Re: Pwyse] #4150252
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Another method I use, terminate the standing crop with gly and once it's dead I roll in down into a mat with my cultipacker. I then drill into the mat with my summer crop. In most cases I never spray and just let my grass mature and die out then I roll it down. I am usually too busy turkey hunting in the spring to worry about terminating a green grass crop.


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Re: Growing Deer TV seed [Re: CNC] #4150266
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Originally Posted by CNC
Originally Posted by Mbrock
It’s also the last surviving field I’ve got. The others were destroyed in about two weeks once the deer decided to do it.


That’s about the extent of it……then you’re left trying to grow some kind of biomass in its place……It’s why I finally came to the conclusion to just go ahead and grow the "other stuff" from the start……It would take some really high end management with some big fields to justify trying to grow summer plots over what can be accomplished going a simpler route. Folks don’t want to hear that but it just is what it is no matter how many times we try to pound that square peg into the round hole. It makes for some pretty pictures though. wink smile


CNC I like a summer mix that is heavy with sorghum/milo. You get three benefits; it produces enough thatch come fall, when mature feeds a lot of wildlife and offers good support for vining beans. It will leave you enough biomass come fall so you are not left with a bare field. I mow it down with a batwing and it leaves a very nice thatch layer to drill into when planting fall plots. There is a guy out of Dothan that mixes a very productive blend that I have had excellent results with. He calls it summer browz. Below are a few pictures of his mix and how it looked after making a few passes around the plot with the batwing. They only down side to these blends are weed control post emergence. This plot is old ag land that had a heavy sickle pod seed bank stored in the soil.

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Re: Growing Deer TV seed [Re: Pwyse] #4150353
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Re: Growing Deer TV seed [Re: Pwyse] #4151720
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Squeaky I see you know Dave. I have that same mix on half of my summer plot field. Other is Eagle Beans and corn. Doing a side by side comparison and right now Summer Browz is winning. Really need rain though.

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Originally Posted by BradB
Squeaky I see you know Dave. I have that same mix on half of my summer plot field. Other is Eagle Beans and corn. Doing a side by side comparison and right now Summer Browz is winning. Really need rain though.


Yes sir I do know Dave. Good luck with your summer plots and the rain. Hopefully we get some this coming week.


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Re: Growing Deer TV seed [Re: Pwyse] #4156993
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I've been planting Stonewall beans on 30" rows. $30 bag.

No-till Deere 7200 planter cost about $4-5k.

Pretty simple. Seems like it takes a LOT less time than screwing around with Weeds and the results are really good.... I've got a soybean field.

Hogs will be your only issue.

Seems like what y'all are doing is a waste of time and you are just playing around with some dumbasses that are tying to sell you seed. Appears to be working for them. And not working for y'all since you are having a hard time figuring it out. Think about why you are having trouble... I'll give you hint... when it comes to work doing stupid things usually costs you time and money.

This isn't that hard or expensive if you just do it the right way. I can do it with less than $15k in equipment. Easily. Y'all are spending stupid money running around spraying chemicals all over your weed patch. I cultivated my beans and haven't sprayed a drop of anything yet. Don't think I will have to. Fuel is way less $$ than Gly.

Questions? What are you accomplishing doing this? Better soil health? That's an interesting concept I've got waist high beans you've got some crap and Dr. Deer has your money. Facts.




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Originally Posted by Goatkiller
I've been planting Stonewall beans on 30" rows. $30 bag.

No-till Deere 7200 planter cost about $4-5k.

Pretty simple. Seems like it takes a LOT less time than screwing around with Weeds and the results are really good.... I've got a soybean field.

Hogs will be your only issue.

Seems like what y'all are doing is a waste of time and you are just playing around with some dumbasses that are tying to sell you seed. Appears to be working for them. And not working for y'all since you are having a hard time figuring it out. Think about why you are having trouble... I'll give you hint... when it comes to work doing stupid things usually costs you time and money.

This isn't that hard or expensive if you just do it the right way. I can do it with less than $15k in equipment. Easily. Y'all are spending stupid money running around spraying chemicals all over your weed patch. I cultivated my beans and haven't sprayed a drop of anything yet. Don't think I will have to. Fuel is way less $$ than Gly.

Questions? What are you accomplishing doing this? Better soil health? That's an interesting concept I've got waist high beans you've got some crap and Dr. Deer has your money. Facts.



Geez man. Do you just go around to each forum trying to fish for a response? Grow up a little.


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