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Help against Timber Company
#4118878
04/17/24 11:31 PM
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Is there any way i can keep a timber company from cutting certain areas on my property in Alabama. Is there any way i can stop them or file some type of report to stop them from cutting. If anyone knows anything i can do to save my woods and TURKEYS please let me know. I did not sell the timber rights, the previous owner did. Is there any type of protected species I can say that I saw and file a report to at least postpone the cutting.
Last edited by winlamberth; 04/18/24 12:04 AM.
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Re: Help against Timber Company
[Re: winlamberth]
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04/17/24 11:59 PM
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Need more info. Did you sell them a timber deed or what?
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Re: Help against Timber Company
[Re: winlamberth]
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04/18/24 12:07 AM
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You can probably negotiate to buy back some of the timber that you want to leave standing or just buy the timber deed from them.
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Re: Help against Timber Company
[Re: winlamberth]
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04/18/24 07:40 AM
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Is there any type of protected species I can say that I saw and file a report to at least postpone the cutting. This statement here says a lot. 🙄
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Re: Help against Timber Company
[Re: Morris]
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04/18/24 09:55 AM
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Is there any type of protected species I can say that I saw and file a report to at least postpone the cutting. This statement here says a lot. 🙄 Tell them you have seen three Bigfoots there and you think it is a sacred breeding ground for them. If you bought this property and a timber deed is in the hands of someone else I don't see much you are going to be able to do.
Cuz-Pat
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Re: Help against Timber Company
[Re: winlamberth]
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04/18/24 10:41 AM
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They will have to respect the SMZ area if applicable but from what I see they cut to the inch of those and don’t mind going over several feet. Sounds like you’re about to own a clear cut unless it was some kind of select cut deal. I’m sorry u gotta deal with this.
Last edited by bamaeyedoc; 04/18/24 10:41 AM.
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Re: Help against Timber Company
[Re: winlamberth]
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04/18/24 10:52 AM
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If they have a contract on the timber, they own the rights to the timber. Period. Your only real option is to buy the timber rights back from them. If the timber contract was not formally disclosed at the time of sale, get a RE attorney and see if he can get a stay put on it, but most likely, the judge will allow the timber company to harvest it anyway, due to the fact that they have a valid contract and legal ownership of the timber, that precedes your ownership of the property. If it was a failure to disclose, you'll just have a damages claim against the individual that sold the property to you. Also, I wouldnt play any games with endangered species claims etc. All the big timber companies have their own biologists and attorneys and if you make a fraudulent claim that halts their ability to pursue their contract and make money, you'll end up paying them damages, that could be far in excess of the value of the timber. I know if you tried to pull that crap with me, I'd hammer you over it and try to break you. The only other thing you can do is get a copy of the actual timber contract. Most have an expiration date by which the timber has to be removed from the property. Once that date hits, they lose their rights to harvest it. Lastly, when they come in to cut, and they will, unless you negotiate to buy them out, be sure to make them bond the roads. That way if the crew fails to fix them to your satisfaction, you at least have some recourse.
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Re: Help against Timber Company
[Re: abolt300]
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04/18/24 12:21 PM
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If they have a contract on the timber, they own the rights to the timber. Period. Your only real option is to buy the timber rights back from them. If the timber contract was not formally disclosed at the time of sale, get a RE attorney and see if he can get a stay put on it, but most likely, the judge will allow the timber company to harvest it anyway, due to the fact that they have a valid contract and legal ownership of the timber, that precedes your ownership of the property. If it was a failure to disclose, you'll just have a damages claim against the individual that sold the property to you. Also, I wouldnt play any games with endangered species claims etc. All the big timber companies have their own biologists and attorneys and if you make a fraudulent claim that halts their ability to pursue their contract and make money, you'll end up paying them damages, that could be far in excess of the value of the timber. I know if you tried to pull that crap with me, I'd hammer you over it and try to break you. The only other thing you can do is get a copy of the actual timber contract. Most have an expiration date by which the timber has to be removed from the property. Once that date hits, they lose their rights to harvest it. Lastly, when they come in to cut, and they will, unless you negotiate to buy them out, be sure to make them bond the roads. That way if the crew fails to fix them to your satisfaction, you at least have some recourse. All this is pretty dang accurate.
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Re: Help against Timber Company
[Re: winlamberth]
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04/18/24 02:11 PM
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I'm confused here. However , If you bought the property subject to the timber rights and it's in the deed you are SOL. If it's not in the deed or wasn't disclosed in writing to you , you may be in luck. If the previous owner didn't disclose the timber contract in any way to you , you MAY have a case for fraud against him . Might be time to Lawyer up.
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Re: Help against Timber Company
[Re: winlamberth]
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04/18/24 07:50 PM
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Now that you've documented on social media your willingness to lie in order to stop a corporation from legally making money, the best thing to do is drop it unless you want them owning the land and more.
Lord, please help us get our nation straightened out.
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Re: Help against Timber Company
[Re: Remington270]
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04/19/24 03:52 PM
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This thread has amazing potential. Subscribed. Absolutely. Mods, move this to the general forum so we can get this thing rolling.
I ain't fightin nobody that swings around in trees with a running chainsaw like Tarzan. - FurFlyin
Oh I just thought u were a dumba$$ 🤣 my apologies… - jb20
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Re: Help against Timber Company
[Re: winlamberth]
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04/19/24 04:32 PM
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Ain’t there a Indian burial ground all through your timber?
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Re: Help against Timber Company
[Re: winlamberth]
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04/19/24 08:26 PM
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Is there any way i can keep a timber company from cutting certain areas on my property in Alabama. Is there any way i can stop them or file some type of report to stop them from cutting. If anyone knows anything i can do to save my woods and TURKEYS please let me know. I did not sell the timber rights, the previous owner did. Is there any type of protected species I can say that I saw and file a report to at least postpone the cutting. Why not claim you saw an endangered species like the original post before you edited it? 🙄🤷🏿♂️ We’d love to hear the thought process on that one.
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Re: Help against Timber Company
[Re: winlamberth]
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04/19/24 10:33 PM
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^^ 🤣🤣
Weyerhaeuser can cut any square inch of my lease - the key is - they own it 🤣🤣
Really like the timber guy and he is one of my neighbors - they been good to me
Hunt the wind - leave it better than you found it - love your neighbor as you love your self We need prayer for our country now more than ever
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Re: Help against Timber Company
[Re: winlamberth]
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04/20/24 07:42 AM
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If this is where I think it is and WHO I think it is, it's time for  . There's a Paul Harvey story just waiting
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"Cull" is just another four letter word...
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Re: Help against Timber Company
[Re: Okatuppa]
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04/20/24 02:50 PM
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Got several pieces of the puzzle that fit, just not enough to say for certain. If it’s the property I’m thinking of, the previous owner sold dirt & timber and retained hunting or sold just the timber rights. If I’m not mistaken the agreement doesn’t sunset.
"Cull" is just another four letter word...
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Re: Help against Timber Company
[Re: winlamberth]
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04/20/24 11:04 PM
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I’m in for the reckoning . . .
We’re not dead. We just smell that way. Dayum. - AC870
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Re: Help against Timber Company
[Re: winlamberth]
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04/23/24 06:01 PM
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Shh. Indians will take it away, turn it into a reservation, then build a casino.
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Re: Help against Timber Company
[Re: BradB]
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04/24/24 09:25 AM
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And ya wondered why the price was so reasonable. If the timber contract was disclosed by seller you are SOL and should have known what was coming. If it was not disclosed it’s time to talk to a RE attorney. This.
Dying ain't much of a living boy...Josey Wales
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Re: Help against Timber Company
[Re: winlamberth]
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04/24/24 09:55 PM
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I wonder if he went and chained himself to a tree, like the idots do in California?
I ain't fightin nobody that swings around in trees with a running chainsaw like Tarzan. - FurFlyin
Oh I just thought u were a dumba$$ 🤣 my apologies… - jb20
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Re: Help against Timber Company
[Re: thayerp81]
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04/28/24 06:38 AM
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I want my 3 minutes back... He could at least have the decency to come back and tell us what happened or clarify what was/wasn t disclosed after starting a rant thread like that... Yeah, I would have liked to hear the whole story too. Back in the early 90s an uncle of mine bought some land in a similar situation. A 3000 acre tract was divided into tracts of 100-300 acres and sold at auction, but all the timber was already sold and they had 2 years to get it out. He ended up with 500 acres of good land at under $400 an acre. He negotiated with the timber folks and bought back some pretty wide SMZs, but that turned out to be a bad investment as those trees were not able to stand up to the wind and a lot of them ended up down. Still, he did the best he could and much of the second forest has been cut now. The guy who bought the land next to him tried to thwart the timber company in everything they did. It was a constant battle, and he lost every round. They got their timber out and gave up on making him happy. I suspect the OP will end up like that guy.
All the labor of man is for his mouth, and yet the appetite is not filled.
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Re: Help against Timber Company
[Re: winlamberth]
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If the buyer knows about the timber rights at closing and fights afterward it’s disingenuous behavior. A deal is a deal and we should strive to keep our end of a bargain.
“It’s enough to make a man feel sour. Burning minutes every day by the hour. Just to end up gone like everything else.”
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I wonder if he went and chained himself to a tree, like the idots do in California? I like this option the best.
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[Re: hosscat]
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I wonder if he went and chained himself to a tree, like the idots do in California? I like this option the best. Should probably chain himself to one of those trunks with the 3-leaf ferns all over it. I hear they keep the bugs away.
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Re: Help against Timber Company
[Re: winlamberth]
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Does he not understand a clearcut is deer heaven . If he nice to loggers they will build him food plots like i do .
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