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Too many does, not enough bucks #3803317
12/04/22 09:50 AM
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Seems to be whats up around here. We were headed that direction last year. The rut took a long time. Does were giving birth for three months atleast this year. Itll probably be worse this year. I feel like there has been a problem with our bucks this year because it was so dry, but we havent found any dead. I know we arent getting anywhere close to the number of pictures we usually get of bucks. Especially not older bucks. I know someone will say "you killed them all". We did get pics of several when season was over last year. Not quite as many as usual, but several. Theyre gone now. We are not doe killers. Havent killed one in 7-8 yrs. But i have recommended to some neighbors we might want to kill a couple does this year and leave the younger bucks alone. Joseph killed an old doe yesterday evening. I sure liked our numbers getting high. We been working hard on that for years but this isnt what we were shooting for. I hope the neighbors will refrain from killing every buck they see this year.

Re: Too many does, not enough bucks [Re: jwalker77] #3803353
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I need to shoot lot more does at Wilcox spot - I rather buck hunt - prob take few there this year after I harv buck


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Re: Too many does, not enough bucks [Re: jwalker77] #3803379
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Last time I ran cams three year ago I was about 50/50 if you count all male deer

Re: Too many does, not enough bucks [Re: Frankie] #3803381
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Until we have cold weather like they do up north we ain't gonna have a rut like the do up north . Sooooooo deal with it . Lol

Re: Too many does, not enough bucks [Re: jwalker77] #3803402
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Had 17 out back yesterday. One shooter buck and a couple small ones. Not sure the sex of all the fawns. Several mature does


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Re: Too many does, not enough bucks [Re: jwalker77] #3803415
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I'm pretty sure I got more bucks than does...they ain't many of either but several shooters, more than any other year for me


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Re: Too many does, not enough bucks [Re: jwalker77] #3803416
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Think about this next time you shoot a doe-"Which doe is going to raise the next world record?" Something to think about. I havent killed a doe in decades. Too many coyotes, cars, keeping the numbers low. BTW-I didnt kill a deer last year. Let 3 super nice bucks live another year and the results are amazing! Someone had a byline on here that said "save the little ones for the little ones."

My $0.02


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Re: Too many does, not enough bucks [Re: Teacher One] #3803420
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Originally Posted by Teacher One
Think about this next time you shoot a doe-"Which doe is going to raise the next world record?" Something to think about. I havent killed a doe in decades. Too many coyotes, cars, keeping the numbers low. BTW-I didnt kill a deer last year. Let 3 super nice bucks live another year and the results are amazing! Someone had a byline on here that said "save the little ones for the little ones."

My $0.02



All i think about is how they gonna taste . Pretty sure there more does running around with the same genetics

Re: Too many does, not enough bucks [Re: jwalker77] #3803421
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Teacher one, im not a doe killing fan. I sat in my shooting house one evening a month or so ago, saw 30 deer. One spike. Im afraid our rut is fixin to get in a mess. I wont be killing any does. I just dont enjoy it. But i have recommended to some neighbors if theyre gona shoot 2-3 deer to eat, theres plenty of does, not plenty of bucks. Weve worked hard to get our numbers up and discouraged doe killing but i think we are in a little different situation right now. I dont particularly like it but its where we are.

Re: Too many does, not enough bucks [Re: jwalker77] #3803423
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We don’t shoot does in Clarke - but the ones that bust a hunt a lot need to get shot

I never like shooting does

Wilcox just had lots of does in general - I take a few w bow - need to take few more - just not big fan of shooting them
Can’t remember last time I shot one w rifle


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Re: Too many does, not enough bucks [Re: jwalker77] #3803424
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Originally Posted by jwalker77
Teacher one, im not a doe killing fan. I sat in my shooting house one evening a month or so ago, saw 30 deer. One spike. Im afraid our rut is fixin to get in a mess. I wont be killing any does. I just dont enjoy it. But i have recommended to some neighbors if theyre gona shoot 2-3 deer to eat, theres plenty of does, not plenty of bucks. Weve worked hard to get our numbers up and discouraged doe killing but i think we are in a little different situation right now. I dont particularly like it but its where we are.


You leave does alone it don't take but a couple years to have plenty . I used to kill 7 to 11ever year here and never saw a difference . I ain't kill nothing in three years so I bet there's a few to many now. Lol

Remember , just to keep the numbers you have now you need to kill about half.

Re: Too many does, not enough bucks [Re: Frankie] #3803429
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Originally Posted by Frankie


Remember , just to keep the numbers you have now you need to kill about half.



I would think that would highly dependent on recruitment rate, no??......That’s not a constant from property to property


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Re: Too many does, not enough bucks [Re: CNC] #3803436
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Originally Posted by CNC
Originally Posted by Frankie


Remember , just to keep the numbers you have now you need to kill about half.



I would think that would highly dependent on recruitment rate, no??......That’s not a constant from property to property


I figured he had the common sense to know what I meant . I figure he saw 30 in one setting he's doing pretty good and gaining .

Re: Too many does, not enough bucks [Re: jwalker77] #3803444
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Wasnt long ago our numbers were dropping but everyone was killing does. It was pretty hard to get them to stop. Theres more deer here than ive ever seen so its time to change strategy a little. We dont need a five month long rut

Re: Too many does, not enough bucks [Re: Frankie] #3803449
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Originally Posted by Frankie
Originally Posted by jwalker77
Teacher one, im not a doe killing fan. I sat in my shooting house one evening a month or so ago, saw 30 deer. One spike. Im afraid our rut is fixin to get in a mess. I wont be killing any does. I just dont enjoy it. But i have recommended to some neighbors if theyre gona shoot 2-3 deer to eat, theres plenty of does, not plenty of bucks. Weve worked hard to get our numbers up and discouraged doe killing but i think we are in a little different situation right now. I dont particularly like it but its where we are.


You leave does alone it don't take but a couple years to have plenty . I used to kill 7 to 11ever year here and never saw a difference . I ain't kill nothing in three years so I bet there's a few to many now. Lol

Remember , just to keep the numbers you have now you need to kill about half.

I ain't shot a doe in 10 years and I may see 20 deer a year, luckily more bucks than does


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Re: Too many does, not enough bucks [Re: jwalker77] #3803450
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Originally Posted by jwalker77
Teacher one, im not a doe killing fan. I sat in my shooting house one evening a month or so ago, saw 30 deer. One spike. Im afraid our rut is fixin to get in a mess. I wont be killing any does. I just dont enjoy it. But i have recommended to some neighbors if theyre gona shoot 2-3 deer to eat, theres plenty of does, not plenty of bucks. Weve worked hard to get our numbers up and discouraged doe killing but i think we are in a little different situation right now. I dont particularly like it but its where we are.

That’s a problem. Not desirable.

Every time a trigger is pulled a management decision is made. EVERY time. You can not manage deer without doe harvest. It’s impossible. Buck mortality is considerably higher than doe mortality if you completely take hunting out of the equation. The rigors of rut, fighting, stress, and highway mortality takes more bucks than most people think, even in the south. Add hunting related mortality to a herd that’s skewed heavily in favor of does and you have a never ending cycle of long drawn out ruts, low buck recruitment and retention, and stressed deer. There are people who think saving does attracts bucks and that’s the way to manage deer. Well it’s not. I hate to burst so many bubbles. That’s an awful way to manage deer and quite honestly is counterproductive to having a healthier more reproductively successful population. It adds increased breeding pressure and stress to bucks and prolongs the breeding season. That type of management can actually lead to lower recruitment. But hey, I killed a big one on that herd of does. It’s worth it. 😂 Peoplr have a misconception that deer breed like cattle. Get cattle as far away from deer management as you can. They are not the same. One buck can not breed multiple does in the time frame he’s given without, often irreversible, side effects.

I joke, but really, having a population heavily weighted in favor of does is bad. It can be corrected but takes work. Jwalker, might I ask why you are not in favor of killing does? Is it because you think you’ll lower the population? Is it too much work? Requesting neighbors to take care of a problem you all share is not going to help. You need to kill some deer. And you all, as a community, need to lay off buck harvest. They are getting shot. You may not think they are, and all your neighbors may not be honest, but they’re getting shot.

Re: Too many does, not enough bucks [Re: jwalker77] #3803453
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Originally Posted by jwalker77
Wasnt long ago our numbers were dropping but everyone was killing does. It was pretty hard to get them to stop. Theres more deer here than ive ever seen so its time to change strategy a little. We dont need a five month long rut


Imo , you fighting a losing battle. Long as you have late born does you gonna have 5 month rut . Doe ant gonna breed till she's ready even you got two buck to ever doe

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I don’t trap In Wilcox caise I got so many does - dogs get some plus I can’t turkey hunt it


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Re: Too many does, not enough bucks [Re: jwalker77] #3803469
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What I’m seeing on my property is I’m pulling deer. You can sit at my place and see ten or so deer just about every sit with it being about half and half as far as bucks and does. You go 3/4-1 mile away over on the club next door to me and maybe see one deer per sit if you’re lucky. On the club though it seems to be more of an intense rut while my property it seems to be later for one but not real busy during the rut. Most all my does have either twins or one fawn with them so they are getting bred but it seems like the rut just about don’t happen there until about the end of season but the club seems to always happen around the 1st of January

Re: Too many does, not enough bucks [Re: jwalker77] #3803474
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Matt, i just dont get any enjoyment out of killing does. I do enjoy watching them. Thats just how i feel. I dont expect everyone else to feel that way. I wouldn't judge anyone for killing whatever they want. Like i said, a few years ago our numbers got pretty low. I just felt like killing one doe this year equaled two or three less deer next year. I let my son kill some does when he was young and started hunting. After that we just stopped. Three years ago we got pics of 20-25 different bucks around first of season. I would encourage letting the does live and killing a buck or two to eat. It has changed now. I know our rut will drag out this year. Maybe itll get better next year. I believe several years ago we had more bucks than does. Rut would go quick and crazy. Problem was nobody had enough patience to wait on a buck, they shot the first doe they saw. I might be wrong about all of it, i dont know

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