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Re: New AU study on hogs and turkeys... [Re: ronfromramer] #3735145
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Does the state still have restrictions on killing hogs? I've said it before , when Alabama gets as serious about protecting turkeys as South Dakota is about protecting Pheasants we'll make some progress. In SD anything that isn't protected by the Feds is fair game day and night. Chuckie and Co just wanta talk a big game.



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Originally Posted by 2Dogs
Does the state still have restrictions on killing hogs? I've said it before , when Alabama gets as serious about protecting turkeys as South Dakota is about protecting Pheasants we'll make some progress. In SD anything that isn't protected by the Feds is fair game day and night. Chuckie and Co just wanta talk a big game.


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Re: New AU study on hogs and turkeys... [Re: ronfromramer] #3735402
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Look , by now every body should know a hog will eat ANY thing .

Hell, they are cannibals

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Re: New AU study on hogs and turkeys... [Re: ronfromramer] #3735406
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Like a coyote you see one, kill it leave it laying there if you don't want it

Re: New AU study on hogs and turkeys... [Re: turkey247] #3735460
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Originally Posted by turkey247
Glad to see it. But man we are wasting a lot of time and money in replace of common sense.

DGT studies included.



Common sense isn't always true. It can be wrong. There's good research to show that shooting individual hogs makes them more wary and harder to trap. The goal is to get the whole sounder at once. Common sense would say "shoot a hog if you see one".

And hog hunting also incentivizes people to move hogs around because people secretly love hunting hogs and they want more of them.

Some midwestern states have outlawed hog hunting to remove the incentive to bring them there. Because that's how hogs are moving in many cases.

Re: New AU study on hogs and turkeys... [Re: ronfromramer] #3735462
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A lot of people thought TN and KS were taking pretty drastic measures and creating a bigger problem by restricting hog hunting. That approach actually worked well. It removed the incentive to move them around. Relaxing hog hunting laws has actually been proven not to help the issue. They need to be throwing money and resources at control methods and educating the public on proper removal, rather than encouraging recreational hunting, which does basically nothing.

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Originally Posted by Mbrock
A lot of people thought TN and KS were taking pretty drastic measures and creating a bigger problem by restricting hog hunting. That approach actually worked well. It removed the incentive to move them around. Relaxing hog hunting laws has actually been proven not to help the issue. They need to be throwing money and resources at control methods and educating the public on proper removal, rather than encouraging recreational hunting, which does basically nothing.


Exactly. This is NOT common sense. Common sense would say "open 'err up and shoot every one you see!"

You can't shoot enough to matter and trapping is the only way to fix it. And allowing shooting allows people to have a new target species to hunt. Even though no one admits it, lots of people love to shoot a hog.

Re: New AU study on hogs and turkeys... [Re: Remington270] #3735597
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Originally Posted by Remington270
Originally Posted by turkey247
Glad to see it. But man we are wasting a lot of time and money in replace of common sense.

DGT studies included.



Common sense isn't always true. It can be wrong. There's good research to show that shooting individual hogs makes them more wary and harder to trap. The goal is to get the whole sounder at once. Common sense would say "shoot a hog if you see one".




Yeah , if you gonna trap them . If not then just leave them alone ????

Re: New AU study on hogs and turkeys... [Re: ronfromramer] #3735602
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It's kinda funny most ever thing we hunt now would have been wiped out years ago if steps hadn't been taken to manage those animals but now for some reason coyotes and hogs just can't be controlled.

Re: New AU study on hogs and turkeys... [Re: ronfromramer] #3735618
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I don't have time or the money to trap hogs. If I get a couple of consecutive days off and I have time to run to a lease I will do coons occasionally. Guess I should just not shoot coyote or pigs if I see them since it is a futile effort anyway.


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Re: New AU study on hogs and turkeys... [Re: ronfromramer] #3735688
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saw 12-15 turkeys saturday and another dozen yesterday afternoon.


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Re: New AU study on hogs and turkeys... [Re: ronfromramer] #3735700
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And some people cuss us with high fences. You could easily kill a dozen birds on our 1200 acres because that’s where the hens are safe from all pigs and most yotes. The outside looks like you been plowing it the pigs are so bad especially when the acorns fall. Any one thought about low fencing a few hundred acres of prime turkey habitat?

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Re: New AU study on hogs and turkeys... [Re: dBmV] #3735701
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Originally Posted by dBmV
I don't have time or the money to trap hogs. If I get a couple of consecutive days off and I have time to run to a lease I will do coons occasionally. Guess I should just not shoot coyote or pigs if I see them since it is a futile effort anyway.



I think common sense would indeed say that you can't eradicate hogs by hunting. That hasn't worked anywhere, so common sense says it isn't gonna start working. I know very little about feral hogs, but I've read that you can run them off your land with hunting pressure. We have seen only 2 hogs on our place in over 50 years, and both of them passed away quickly. That was 10 years ago and we haven't seen any since. If we ever see any more, we will try to convince them to leave. I know there are hogs just a few miles away, and I hope whoever has them can eradicate them, but I can only deal with them if they are on my land.


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Re: New AU study on hogs and turkeys... [Re: JohnG] #3735704
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Originally Posted by JohnG
And some people cuss us with high fences. You could easily kill a dozen birds on our 1200 acres because that’s where the hens are. The outside looks like you been plowing it the pigs are so bad especially when the acorns fall. Any one thought about low fencing a few hundred acres of prime turkey habitat?


I have always wanted to high fence part of the farm to keep deer out, not in. And of course it would keep out coyotes and any hogs that wanted to visit. But that seems unlikely to happen now; I got too old and never had enough money to use that way.


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Re: New AU study on hogs and turkeys... [Re: ronfromramer] #3735772
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I wish turkeys reproduced as efficiently and prolifically as hogs.

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Re: New AU study on hogs and turkeys... [Re: ronfromramer] #3735776
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My grandfather own(ed)-he died in February so I guess it belongs to my mother now-300 acres on the Dallas/Perry County line. I know there are hogs VERY close in all directions. They're not uncommon on the national forest just a couple hundred yards away as the crow flies(in fact, I keep hearing they are actually becoming more and more abundant), and they have pretty much overran other properties within just a 5 mile radius....However, I have never seen sign, or gotten a picture on a trail camera, or laid eyes on one

He bought the land in 2010 but the prior landowner was a friend of the family and hunted it for 60 years and never saw a hog on it.....makes me wonder if there is some sort of geographical reason that the hogs haven't made it in there yet.....maybe we are just really lucky.

Re: New AU study on hogs and turkeys... [Re: poorcountrypreacher] #3736069
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Originally Posted by poorcountrypreacher
Originally Posted by dBmV
I don't have time or the money to trap hogs. If I get a couple of consecutive days off and I have time to run to a lease I will do coons occasionally. Guess I should just not shoot coyote or pigs if I see them since it is a futile effort anyway.



I think common sense would indeed say that you can't eradicate hogs by hunting. That hasn't worked anywhere, so common sense says it isn't gonna start working. I know very little about feral hogs, but I've read that you can run them off your land with hunting pressure. We have seen only 2 hogs on our place in over 50 years, and both of them passed away quickly. That was 10 years ago and we haven't seen any since. If we ever see any more, we will try to convince them to leave. I know there are hogs just a few miles away, and I hope whoever has them can eradicate them, but I can only deal with them if they are on my land.

It stands to reason that some hogs can be run off a property same as deer will but I don't think they will be completely gone anymore than deer. Some of them will still be there just like deer will. They may become more nocturnal but they won't completely leave as long as there is food to be had.

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Re: New AU study on hogs and turkeys... [Re: Remington270] #3736149
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Originally Posted by Remington270
Originally Posted by turkey247
Glad to see it. But man we are wasting a lot of time and money in replace of common sense.

DGT studies included.



Common sense isn't always true. It can be wrong. There's good research to show that shooting individual hogs makes them more wary and harder to trap. The goal is to get the whole sounder at once. Common sense would say "shoot a hog if you see one".

And hog hunting also incentivizes people to move hogs around because people secretly love hunting hogs and they want more of them.

Some midwestern states have outlawed hog hunting to remove the incentive to bring them there. Because that's how hogs are moving in many cases.


Just now seeing this. I didn’t say I’m a hog hunting, shoot everyone you see advocate. I’m just saying we know they are bad for birds. I also believe, it actually should be common sense that hunting hogs, for the purpose of controlling the population is pointless. Hog hunters like to have good hog populations, period. They want hogs around. Hog hunters, by definition, are hog advocates, end of discussion. Trapping is not “hunting”, obviously.

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Summary. Trapping is trapping. Hunting is hunting. Any state allowing hog hunting has no concern for the damage they cause.

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Well ,,,,, like a coyote I see one it dies . Dead animal don't eat .

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