....Miniguns. I'm talking naa minirevolvers Ruger Lcp's Keltec p32s J frame Smiths what have you. I'd tote one as backup but that's it I think you should be able to shoot a torso at 15 feet how bout yall?

Beretta Bobcat. Shoots tight out to 30 feet. 7 rounds to the head will work.

That's the 32 acp?

Smith 442 stoked with 125g +P JSHPs.

S&W 642 is the only smaller framed gun that feels right in my gorilla paws. Trigger job makes all the difference in the world

I can shoot my xd subcompact damn near as good as a full size auto or larger revolver.
My xds 45 is same way
But I'd agree on some hammer fired keltecs and DAO snubb nose revolver type pistolas being more belly gun type stuff under 7 yards but some of those little pistols shoot well out to 25 yards . you'd be surprised just gotta practice and find the good ones.
The small striker fired stuff is what shoots good like bclc said that's probably because the striker fired stuff has much better triggers than long heavy hammer fired guns

Always have one close to me. Had Wes slick (gundoc) it up for me though......

My s&w compact shield will give you everything you need. I wear it in the summertime to movies, sporting events, dinner, etc. 9mm

I can't use little guns well .

I had a NAA mini revolver and it was stupid. P365's for me now. I miss my J-frame, I should have never sold it.

Glock 43. It shoots straight and is glock reliable but I hardly tote it over my glock 17 and 19.

LCP in my pocket when I'm in gym shorts.

Does an AMT .380 backup fit in there somewhere in that category?

I carry a J frame model 36 about everyday. Always wanted a COP 357 derringer. But they b’s ‘spensive!

Sig P238 .380
Slides in the back pocket, shoots straight and pretty. All the things I love!

American standard 22. Fits in the change pocket in all my pants. Cant even see it. Kahr CM9 on the waist

One problem with this thought process.... you shoot someone past 15 feet you are up for Murder 1.

What does it matter. A J frame is probably one of the best CC guns ever...then add some laser grips. Badass. And safer from DA persecution. You dump a G19 mag into someone - post up how you like Prison when you can get back online.

What if you’re in church or a restaurant and guy opens up fire? Don’t shoot back? Just wait till he gets with in 15 feet? Piss on everyone else?

I guess I don't understand.... you ask him to hold your .243 and you just quick hit them with a folding chair.

Duh.

I don't know anyone who has been convicted of murder for using a Glock 19 but would have been exonerated if they had used a Smith revolver. Maybe some people just like to be undergunned ?

Wait BPI.... Undergunned?

Now that's a concept we need to discuss.

you are carrying the equivalent of a 243 with 90 grainers with your setup there Goat.

Learned about the 21 foot rule at gunschool. Man with a blade can ruin your day and your clothes from 21 feet. I was just thinking if someone would had a 38 in a pocket Uvalde could've been averted.

After I burned my 22 mag pocket pistol I went with the lcp max, it holds 10 rounds and I'm impressed with what I can do but I was used to shooting that lil NAA mag at 20 yards...I still like that lil NAA better n gonna get me another

I don’t bring the finest whitetail rifle caliber ever to a wrestlin match my man.

Those lcp max are awesome little guns

642 airweight or a Glock 43 are my edc. I usually have the airweight in my front pocket when I'm not wearing shorts

I’ve run the gamut on micro pistols and sub compacts. The gun I carry THE most is a Ruger lcp and lcp max. The max is not made as well, just ain’t. I actually shoot mine a good bit too. I prob have 500 rounds in my original lcp 380, and it shoots pretty dang good. With jeans the 43x is dang near perfect worn at 4:00 with a good belt. But that lcp has a decent trigger, goes bang, and I can wear your ass out at 10 yards with it.

Wait....I will get prosecuted if I dump a mag into someone??? God forbid I ever get into a fire fight but I promise you if I do, I will dump the whole mag in about 2 seconds and probably dump a second if it is available. If it comes to that point, I will not be using trigger control!!!

i tote a black widow with after market grips: 5 shots in the sternum at 10-15 feet is no problem; i keep the WMR cylinder in the gun, loaded with Hornadies ...

I carry several different pistols.

The J frame is in .357 with CT laser grips. I can pretty much hit anything I want with it on the first shot within reason. Might even claim I can do that with a John Wayne hip shot... might even further raise that to left handed I'm pretty good with my left.

The 15 additional rounds of 9mm.... I don't need.

But I do have a CC with a lot of rounds in it and I do carry it often. I'm not in a pigeon hole. But a J frame is a damn good CC gun.

I carry a LCP II. Not a particular fan of it but then I don't care much for any plastic pistol. I took it and a Beretta 92 out a few weeks back and did a comparison shoot. Fired 100 rounds though each. At 10 yards the LCP shot at about 75% accuracy of the 92. Its a great little carry gun but definitely more challenging to shoot than a full sized.

Good choices Goat. I was picking a little .