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Re: Have leases really gotten THAT high? [Re: ford150man] #3653720
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Ive ran a 4000 acre club the last couple of years. The lease has gone up over $4000 the last two years. Its good land but not worth what we are paying. I decided to leave recently. Its just not worth the headache to replace members and deal with disgruntled members over price increases. I'll go on an out of state hunt and hunt public land here in Alabama. It's been a big relief since making that decision.


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Re: Have leases really gotten THAT high? [Re: ford150man] #3653956
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Have hunted clubs for years before the prices and drama got out of hand and began hunting public land. Have shot 4 of my 5 biggest bucks of public so that tells you something. Most leases are way overhunted and overpressured. I know the ones I was in would have every section signed out every weekend, too much pressure. With thousands of acres of public land to hunt for free I can always find a low pressure area.

Re: Have leases really gotten THAT high? [Re: ford150man] #3654056
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Re: Have leases really gotten THAT high? [Re: ford150man] #3654220
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It's a sad reality that the price of everything is going up. It's amazes me honestly to see these guys roll up in diesel 2500 trucks with brand new side by sides. Tricked out diesels too.

I just can't deal with taking a 70+l truck off road and getting it all filthy.

Re: Have leases really gotten THAT high? [Re: Lockjaw] #3654293
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Originally Posted by Lockjaw
It's a sad reality that the price of everything is going up. It's amazes me honestly to see these guys roll up in diesel 2500 trucks with brand new side by sides. Tricked out diesels too.

I just can't deal with taking a 70+l truck off road and getting it all filthy.

I’m not buying a 4wd truck to drive on pavement. I bought my truck pretty New Years ago. Lady who worked for the Forest service told me my truck was too nice to be out there one day. I told her I bought a four wheel drive for a reason. Too many four wheel drive’s bought for show now days to never see dirt.


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Re: Have leases really gotten THAT high? [Re: Turkey_neck] #3654302
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Originally Posted by Turkey_neck
Originally Posted by Lockjaw
It's a sad reality that the price of everything is going up. It's amazes me honestly to see these guys roll up in diesel 2500 trucks with brand new side by sides. Tricked out diesels too.

I just can't deal with taking a 70+l truck off road and getting it all filthy.

I’m not buying a 4wd truck to drive on pavement. I bought my truck pretty New Years ago. Lady who worked for the Forest service told me my truck was too nice to be out there one day. I told her I bought a four wheel drive for a reason. Too many four wheel drive’s bought for show now days to never see dirt.


Completely agree. The day after I picked mine up with 17 miles on it I had it in the woods. I’m off road at least one day a week in it. During December I’m off-road more than I’m on pavement

Re: Have leases really gotten THAT high? [Re: ford150man] #3654469
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this is why I've all but given up on deer hunting. I'm not paying $1000-1500/yr to see maybe 5-10 deer the entire season and maybe get a shot at one.....and I'm not paying $2000-3000 for a membership even if I'm guaranteed to see deer every hunt and get a shot at a couple of "good" deer every year.

So that leaves me with the public land option.........but I'm just not interested enough in killing a deer anymore to go to the trouble and effort that it takes to deer hunt on public land. I don't mind "working" for it during turkey season, but for deer hunting, I don't want to "work"...I want to sit in a comfy shooting house and relax and if something walks by, great....but I'm not paying big money for that "experience".

So....I'm at the point where I'll deer hunt a time or 2 each year if/when I get invited by a friend/family member that has their own land/lease, otherwise I'll stay home and watch football or something. I used to hunt with a few family members and a friend on the friend's land. It was roughly 400 acres and we simply split the cost of planting 4 or 5 ways. I think it usually worked out to a few hundred bucks/person and there were rarely more than 3 people hunting at any given time. It was a great situation, but for various reasons it didn't last.

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Re: Have leases really gotten THAT high? [Re: ford150man] #3654658
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Well I have a 4wd, and it was very helpful when I was getting ag lime at the quarry, and dropping it off at the hunting club. And I use to to pull my tractor sometimes, but more often then not, I just take my old 2wd Tundra instead.

I am more a fan of the 4wd when pulling into traffic when its raining. In 2wd that really isn't an option unless you got a wide gap, with 4wd its not a problem at all. And if it snows no biggie either. I just don't want to get it all scratched up when I already have a truck that is scatched up. But to each his own.

Re: Have leases really gotten THAT high? [Re: Lockjaw] #3654866
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Originally Posted by Lockjaw
Well I have a 4wd, and it was very helpful when I was getting ag lime at the quarry, and dropping it off at the hunting club. And I use to to pull my tractor sometimes, but more often then not, I just take my old 2wd Tundra instead.

I am more a fan of the 4wd when pulling into traffic when its raining. In 2wd that really isn't an option unless you got a wide gap, with 4wd its not a problem at all. And if it snows no biggie either. I just don't want to get it all scratched up when I already have a truck that is scatched up. But to each his own.


I don’t understand….. are you saying you put your truck in 4wd in the rain on concrete/asphalt to pull out into traffic?


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Re: Have leases really gotten THAT high? [Re: JustHunt] #3654935
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Originally Posted by JustHunt
Originally Posted by Lockjaw
Well I have a 4wd, and it was very helpful when I was getting ag lime at the quarry, and dropping it off at the hunting club. And I use to to pull my tractor sometimes, but more often then not, I just take my old 2wd Tundra instead.

I am more a fan of the 4wd when pulling into traffic when its raining. In 2wd that really isn't an option unless you got a wide gap, with 4wd its not a problem at all. And if it snows no biggie either. I just don't want to get it all scratched up when I already have a truck that is scatched up. But to each his own.


I don’t understand….. are you saying you put your truck in 4wd in the rain on concrete/asphalt to pull out into traffic?

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Re: Have leases really gotten THAT high? [Re: ford150man] #3654955
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With the way prices of everything are going some of these historical hunting club prices will seem like a deal. Have y'all ever tried to price out what it would cost to pay tax, plant a handful of fields, maintain access via gates, have decent roads, and have a few stands on say a 100 acre personal property or lease? If ya did some of these leases wouldn't seem so expensive. Just saying.

Re: Have leases really gotten THAT high? [Re: dirkdaddy] #3654962
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Originally Posted by dirkdaddy
With the way prices of everything are going some of these historical hunting club prices will seem like a deal. Have y'all ever tried to price out what it would cost to pay tax, plant a handful of fields, maintain access via gates, have decent roads, and have a few stands on say a 100 acre personal property or lease? If ya did some of these leases wouldn't seem so expensive. Just saying.


It’s $$$. I lease a 430 acre tract to myself and it is very expensive when all said and done. Between the six food plots, stands, cell cams, and keeping 6 feeders running it gets extremely expensive. When someone gripes about a club that is advertising a $4k plus membership fee because they can “lease their own land for cheaper “ I just keep my mouth shut.


2021 Cost off the top of my head

Leases - $5k
Feed - $800
Cell cam fees - $840
New ladders (last year) - $1000
New Gate - $150
Fall plots - $900
Minerals- $150
Camp utilities- $2100/yr
Tractor work/maintenance - $500+

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Exactly. What a lot of folks fail to realize or acknowledge with a hunting club is that there has been years of historical work done there to get it to the point that it's at. The yearly lease fee probably represents the absolute bait minimum to keep the place afloat. Go branch out and get your own dirt and it becomes painfully obvious, then maybe rubbing elbows with a few other guys doesn't seem so bad

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Re: Have leases really gotten THAT high? [Re: ford150man] #3655010
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Yeah just building fields and putting up a nice two man shooting house on each field is expensive in itself.
My biggest problem is maintaining roads!


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Re: Have leases really gotten THAT high? [Re: JustHunt] #3655019
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Originally Posted by JustHunt
Originally Posted by Lockjaw
Well I have a 4wd, and it was very helpful when I was getting ag lime at the quarry, and dropping it off at the hunting club. And I use to to pull my tractor sometimes, but more often then not, I just take my old 2wd Tundra instead.

I am more a fan of the 4wd when pulling into traffic when its raining. In 2wd that really isn't an option unless you got a wide gap, with 4wd its not a problem at all. And if it snows no biggie either. I just don't want to get it all scratched up when I already have a truck that is scatched up. But to each his own.


I don’t understand….. are you saying you put your truck in 4wd in the rain on concrete/asphalt to pull out into traffic?


Yes sir! If I don't, trying to pull out into rush hour traffic on 280 is like waiting for paint to dry. Owners manual says it drive it in 4wd 10 miles a month. So when its wet, and I want to get out in traffic, into 4wd high it goes, and then I can stand on it and jump right out and not worry with sitting and spinning.

You should try it if you haven't. Beats sitting and waiting for an opening that is 3 football fields long to keep from spinning and fishtailing all over the place.

Re: Have leases really gotten THAT high? [Re: booner] #3655033
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Originally Posted by booner
Originally Posted by dirkdaddy
With the way prices of everything are going some of these historical hunting club prices will seem like a deal. Have y'all ever tried to price out what it would cost to pay tax, plant a handful of fields, maintain access via gates, have decent roads, and have a few stands on say a 100 acre personal property or lease? If ya did some of these leases wouldn't seem so expensive. Just saying.


It’s $$$. I lease a 430 acre tract to myself and it is very expensive when all said and done. Between the six food plots, stands, cell cams, and keeping 6 feeders running it gets extremely expensive. When someone gripes about a club that is advertising a $4k plus membership fee because they can “lease their own land for cheaper “ I just keep my mouth shut.


2021 Cost off the top of my head

Leases - $5k
Feed - $800
Cell cam fees - $840
New ladders (last year) - $1000
New Gate - $150
Fall plots - $900
Minerals- $150
Camp utilities- $2100/yr
Tractor work/maintenance - $500+



Let me add to your $.

Tractor payments
Soil samples
Ag lime, or worse pellet lime
Herbicide
Diesel

I have been in essentially 4 clubs since 2002 or so. Guess how many soil tested and limed? 1. My current one. If you can't get the coop in there with their lime truck, or have a big truck that can pull a lime buggy, or you have fields those can't get into, then you do it by hand, or do pellet lime, which is expensive. I brought 24 tons of ag lime to my club with my truck and a 2 ton dump trailer. All of it was spread by hand, the majority by me. The benefit is not the first year either. You really start to see it the second.

If you walk into an established lease, guess what else you will likely find? Hardpan from years of disking. So you have to subsoil.

Most people don't understand how much fertilizer they should put out either. Triple 13 has 6.5 pounds of amonia in it. If you need 100 pounds per acre you need 15 bags per acre. At $20/bag, thats $300/acre. If you have 10 acres, thats $3K. Guess how many clubs I have been in that fertilize properly? 0. Mine will be this year.

Your average club goes out in late august and bush hogs the fields. They may come back and spray them, and then they sit for a couple weeks. Then they disk and plant. They usually plant the cheapest 3 or 4 way cereal mix, if you are lucky, they add some brassica's, and put out a bag or two of Triple 13 and celebrate they got everything planted. And it turns yellow in about 45 days.

If they plant in the spring, they will come out and bush hog, disk and plant clay peas, and they never set foot out there again, until mid august, when the deer are really getting into the peas, and they start the process all over again, and run all the deer that were using the food plots off for about 6 weeks, in the driest month of the year.

Re: Have leases really gotten THAT high? [Re: ford150man] #3655110
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Hunting cubs are not so bad if the management runs it well. Rules are rules for EVERYONE. Enforce the rules and abide by the rules. Buck harvest rules and general deer harvest rules need to follow proven biologically-sound principles. I ain't hunting to shoot six points or better. Screw that!! I want to harvest mature bucks.

And here's what the club almost has to do... LIMIT family guests (wives & kids) and general guests. With what lease costs today, I'm not paying for Johnny, his wife and a pickup load of kids to hunt and his brother-in-law too. I'm past that stage, but I understand that there are some clubs that cater to that.

Strict rules that are enforced and members that abide by the rules. And if you're a member and you get caught in a lie, you're gone!!! Clubs like this usually don't advertise for members. Dues are a little higher but you don't deal with drama!

Re: Have leases really gotten THAT high? [Re: Lockjaw] #3655121
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Originally Posted by Lockjaw
Originally Posted by booner
Originally Posted by dirkdaddy
With the way prices of everything are going some of these historical hunting club prices will seem like a deal. Have y'all ever tried to price out what it would cost to pay tax, plant a handful of fields, maintain access via gates, have decent roads, and have a few stands on say a 100 acre personal property or lease? If ya did some of these leases wouldn't seem so expensive. Just saying.


It’s $$$. I lease a 430 acre tract to myself and it is very expensive when all said and done. Between the six food plots, stands, cell cams, and keeping 6 feeders running it gets extremely expensive. When someone gripes about a club that is advertising a $4k plus membership fee because they can “lease their own land for cheaper “ I just keep my mouth shut.


2021 Cost off the top of my head

Leases - $5k
Feed - $800
Cell cam fees - $840
New ladders (last year) - $1000
New Gate - $150
Fall plots - $900
Minerals- $150
Camp utilities- $2100/yr
Tractor work/maintenance - $500+



Let me add to your $.

Tractor payments
Soil samples
Ag lime, or worse pellet lime
Herbicide
Diesel

I have been in essentially 4 clubs since 2002 or so. Guess how many soil tested and limed? 1. My current one. If you can't get the coop in there with their lime truck, or have a big truck that can pull a lime buggy, or you have fields those can't get into, then you do it by hand, or do pellet lime, which is expensive. I brought 24 tons of ag lime to my club with my truck and a 2 ton dump trailer. All of it was spread by hand, the majority by me. The benefit is not the first year either. You really start to see it the second.

If you walk into an established lease, guess what else you will likely find? Hardpan from years of disking. So you have to subsoil.

Most people don't understand how much fertilizer they should put out either. Triple 13 has 6.5 pounds of amonia in it. If you need 100 pounds per acre you need 15 bags per acre. At $20/bag, thats $300/acre. If you have 10 acres, thats $3K. Guess how many clubs I have been in that fertilize properly? 0. Mine will be this year.

Your average club goes out in late august and bush hogs the fields. They may come back and spray them, and then they sit for a couple weeks. Then they disk and plant. They usually plant the cheapest 3 or 4 way cereal mix, if you are lucky, they add some brassica's, and put out a bag or two of Triple 13 and celebrate they got everything planted. And it turns yellow in about 45 days.

If they plant in the spring, they will come out and bush hog, disk and plant clay peas, and they never set foot out there again, until mid august, when the deer are really getting into the peas, and they start the process all over again, and run all the deer that were using the food plots off for about 6 weeks, in the driest month of the year.







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Re: Have leases really gotten THAT high? [Re: Nightwatchman] #3655171
04/19/22 01:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Nightwatchman
Originally Posted by Lockjaw
Originally Posted by booner
Originally Posted by dirkdaddy
With the way prices of everything are going some of these historical hunting club prices will seem like a deal. Have y'all ever tried to price out what it would cost to pay tax, plant a handful of fields, maintain access via gates, have decent roads, and have a few stands on say a 100 acre personal property or lease? If ya did some of these leases wouldn't seem so expensive. Just saying.


It’s $$$. I lease a 430 acre tract to myself and it is very expensive when all said and done. Between the six food plots, stands, cell cams, and keeping 6 feeders running it gets extremely expensive. When someone gripes about a club that is advertising a $4k plus membership fee because they can “lease their own land for cheaper “ I just keep my mouth shut.


2021 Cost off the top of my head

Leases - $5k
Feed - $800
Cell cam fees - $840
New ladders (last year) - $1000
New Gate - $150
Fall plots - $900
Minerals- $150
Camp utilities- $2100/yr
Tractor work/maintenance - $500+



Let me add to your $.

Tractor payments
Soil samples
Ag lime, or worse pellet lime
Herbicide
Diesel

I have been in essentially 4 clubs since 2002 or so. Guess how many soil tested and limed? 1. My current one. If you can't get the coop in there with their lime truck, or have a big truck that can pull a lime buggy, or you have fields those can't get into, then you do it by hand, or do pellet lime, which is expensive. I brought 24 tons of ag lime to my club with my truck and a 2 ton dump trailer. All of it was spread by hand, the majority by me. The benefit is not the first year either. You really start to see it the second.

If you walk into an established lease, guess what else you will likely find? Hardpan from years of disking. So you have to subsoil.

Most people don't understand how much fertilizer they should put out either. Triple 13 has 6.5 pounds of amonia in it. If you need 100 pounds per acre you need 15 bags per acre. At $20/bag, thats $300/acre. If you have 10 acres, thats $3K. Guess how many clubs I have been in that fertilize properly? 0. Mine will be this year.

Your average club goes out in late august and bush hogs the fields. They may come back and spray them, and then they sit for a couple weeks. Then they disk and plant. They usually plant the cheapest 3 or 4 way cereal mix, if you are lucky, they add some brassica's, and put out a bag or two of Triple 13 and celebrate they got everything planted. And it turns yellow in about 45 days.

If they plant in the spring, they will come out and bush hog, disk and plant clay peas, and they never set foot out there again, until mid august, when the deer are really getting into the peas, and they start the process all over again, and run all the deer that were using the food plots off for about 6 weeks, in the driest month of the year.







I don't work this hard at my actual job, Lawd Jesus that's some work, Bubby

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2. All Gun Laws Are an Infringement
3. Taxation Is Theft
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