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Re: Westervelt Lease News [Re: Cuz-Pat] #3632425
03/15/22 12:14 PM
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Cwd cannot be stopped. It would just have to run its course. As someone stated earlier about mineral sites can’t eliminate those and it’s the same as a green field or a corn feeder. Just more stupidity. Just curious do they have documentation that deer 100% transmit this from corn feeders, mineral sites or green fields also they group up away from these places. I would guess they don’t which maybe I’m wrong. I know it’s their land but lease holders might should ask them to show proof of this documentation or peer reviewed studies on this issue just to see the response. I’m sure the response would be because we said so. U guys dealing with them should just tell them it will only take 2 weeks to slow the curve then it should be fine to start feeding again

Re: Westervelt Lease News [Re: Cuz-Pat] #3632427
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Hunters want land. Any available leases will be snapped up.

It's the same reason Daiwa now has a $950 fishing reel. They know people will buy it, just like the however-many thousand dollar Garmin LiveScope and $2,000 shotguns and $4,500 rifles topped with a $2,500 scope on $150 or more rings-bases.

There's a market. It's not for everyone. Some hunters wouldn't pay the prices for whatever Westervelt leases come up, or private landowner prices. They'll hunt friends' land or public land or crappy land or quit. And some others will plunk down whatever the price is to get a lease.

Westervelt knows this. St. Joe knows or knew this. It's just simple supply and demand with a variety of price points. All of the literal decades-old carping of "It's a rich man's ..." whatever hasn't killed anything yet and never will. Someone will pay it.


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Re: Westervelt Lease News [Re: Cuz-Pat] #3632432
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If other companies start doing the same then its gonna cause a big ruckus amongst hunters about private lands getting to bait while public and leased dont......

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Re: Westervelt Lease News [Re: Cuz-Pat] #3632436
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What Clem said. If you don’t believe it. Let your lease go, you will never get it back. It’s gone forever!


If you always do what you've always done you always get what you've always got
Re: Westervelt Lease News [Re: CNC] #3632450
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Originally Posted by CNC
If other companies start doing the same then its gonna cause a big ruckus amongst hunters about private lands getting to bait while public and leased dont......



If hunters get in a twist because they can't bait on leased-public lands, find some new land to lease. Otherwise, be quiet.

That's the agreement you signed. It doesn't matter what private landowners do or the DCNR does with WMA-public lands. The only thing that matters in that situation is what's in the contract you agreed to and the landowner-lessor says.


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Re: Westervelt Lease News [Re: Cuz-Pat] #3632458
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Just curious, with as many of us who hunt Westervelt property has anyone else received one of these letters?


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Enough Said....
Re: Westervelt Lease News [Re: MarkBAMA] #3632460
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Originally Posted by MarkBAMA
Just curious, with as many of us who hunt Westervelt property has anyone else received one of these letters?


If you havent gotten the notification yet, it is coming. They didnt agree with the baiting decision to start with but went along with it when the state passed it. There was and is, no sound biological reasoning to allow baiting of deer. Political and monetary reasons yes, but biological (here in the SE United States), no. This private company made the decision to go back to the way it was and the way they had managed their property for the past 100 or so years or however long Gulf States Paper has been in business. It's their land, they can manage it however they want. If people dont like their decision, they can drop the lease and go find somewhere else to hunt. Rest assured, in today's market, it'll be leased to someone else before you hang up the phone or put your letter in the mail.

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Re: Westervelt Lease News [Re: MarkBAMA] #3632462
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Originally Posted by MarkBAMA
Just curious, with as many of us who hunt Westervelt property has anyone else received one of these letters?


One of the guys in my club got one yesterday.

Re: Westervelt Lease News [Re: Super Dave] #3632466
03/15/22 12:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Super Dave
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Originally Posted by Super Dave
No way to stop the spread just like Rona virus. It's going to happen. When it does...... less deer equal less demand for leases equal less money for said lease. They are just trying to protect their income.

David


LOL... they're still trying to locate the first deer that CWD actually killed.


It's hoax... even more so than the Corona virus.


So all those west and midwest states have been lying since 1997....... I had no idea.
slap

David


Oh you mean the states that it's "existed in" for 40 years and they still see zero impact from it? Those Midwest states? 🤣

Please site the source where they confirm it to have killed, a whitetail, mule deer, elk... or anything for that matter.

And you're damn right they've been lying. I'm sure you believe everything the media tells you too.

EHD knowingly kills hundreds of 1000s of animals each year but you dont see anyone trying to stop that.

CWD is laughable. And these states are going to use it to further manipulate your God given rights as a hunter. And if you don't see it... you're Hellen Keller blind.

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Turkeys be damned.
Re: Westervelt Lease News [Re: therealhojo] #3632470
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Originally Posted by therealhojo
Originally Posted by Lockjaw
Originally Posted by therealhojo
Originally Posted by CNC

Do you think they'll ban food plots too??




They already do to some extent. They tell you where and how much you can plant. You can't just go clear a spot and plant, or burn, or spray.


Actually, that is not 100% correct. They give you area's or fields that they won't disturb. You can go plant log decks and logging roads all you want. Met my new lease manager last fall, and he told me I should clear off this one side of the road opposite a field and plant it. That means they may come in there later and log the area and disturb it. My club map on their site lists 7 greenfields. I have 24. He even gave me suggestions about other ways to plant things and increase my planted acreage. I think they number I saw was they would give you 1%. Even with 24 fields, I am probably just bumping the 1% number.

When they cut mine this year, I am going to try to get the loggers to cut it or run a few skidder roads that are long and go north south so I can plant them. My biggest problem is stumps. Even our skid steer guy has a tough time with some of them, and he's got a 90+ hp machine. After about 3 years, he can blaze thru them.





Did you not see where I said “to some extent?” Then you go into 2 paragraphs explaining exactly “to some extent.” You still have a manager telling you what you can and can’t do. I never said they tell you you can’t l, I said they limit you.

And good luck with getting those loggers to do what you want.


Sure did, and I also saw where you said I couldn't just go plant an area and you are wrong. I can. I have 17 just such area's on my lease that no one asked permission to plant. We might have to do some work to make them happen, but none the less, they are planted.

And when they cut me, if you think I will only add the 2 fields they are giving me and that's it, you are also wrong. But until I see what it looks like, I won't know how many.

As for the loggers, one thing is certain, if I listen to you and don't ask, then the answer is for sure a no. Perhaps it costs me a few cases of beer, or some BBQ or something, but I bet they will want to help out a semi senior citizen who is out there on his subcompact tractor trying to create a deer hunting utopia......

Re: Westervelt Lease News [Re: teamduckdown] #3632485
03/15/22 01:12 PM
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Originally Posted by teamduckdown
Originally Posted by Super Dave
Originally Posted by teamduckdown
Originally Posted by Super Dave
No way to stop the spread just like Rona virus. It's going to happen. When it does...... less deer equal less demand for leases equal less money for said lease. They are just trying to protect their income.

David


LOL... they're still trying to locate the first deer that CWD actually killed.


It's hoax... even more so than the Corona virus.


So all those west and midwest states have been lying since 1997....... I had no idea.
slap

David


Oh you mean the states that it's "existed in" for 40 years and they still see zero impact from it? Those Midwest states? 🤣

Please site the source where they confirm it to have killed, a whitetail, mule deer, elk... or anything for that matter.

And you're damn right they've been lying. I'm sure you believe everything the media tells you too.

EHD knowingly kills hundreds of 1000s of animals each year but you dont see anyone trying to stop that.

CWD is laughable. And these states are going to use it to further manipulate your God given rights as a hunter. And if you don't see it... you're Hellen Keller blind.




https://www.realtree.com/brow-tines-and-backstrap/has-cwd-ever-actually-killed-a-deer#:~:text=%E2%80%9CI%20put%20it%20to%20you,actually%20dying%20of%20the%20disease.

Article did say more deer die from other shucks due to the disease causing an animal to become weak. You know kind of like AIDS does people. Doesn't really matter if the prion causes the deer to die or it dies from a weak state, it is still a dead deer.......

Re: Westervelt Lease News [Re: Cuz-Pat] #3632491
03/15/22 01:18 PM
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I said this in another thread, but it is a hoax...just like covid....I agree with whoever said that above

It's not any different than your employer forcing you to get a vaccine or wear a mask. Either comply or hit the road. There's not really any recourse on your end.

The State saw how easy it was to manipulate people with covid and now the AWFF is trying it with CWD. It's not some big secret. Go listen to them talk about it on any social media outlet. It's hilarious, but it's even funnier that some folks are so stupid that they actually buy it(just like covid) All this looks like is a private company buying a popular a narrative that the state has put out.

The world we live in now is simply one big façade. It's almost like I am watching a terrible soap opera. Everyone acting like the narrative makes sense when everyone knows it really doesn't



Kill deer so they don't die of CWD
Wear a cloth mask to prevent the spread of covid
Stop artificially feeding deer to spread them out even though they get over there under the ole oak tree and spit, pee, jizz, and crap all over each other because they are animals

Re: Westervelt Lease News [Re: Cuz-Pat] #3632499
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Talked with my lease manager about it today. There will be no baiting or supplemental feeding on their property. I’m perfectly fine with it. We never baited but we did feed in off season. Just have to plant more summer fields now. Some of you act like you can’t hunt without corn. I’ve killed em for many years before all this baiting crap started. People don’t wanna learn to hunt. They just wanna sit over a pile of corn and shoot deer. That ain’t hunting.



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Originally Posted by JustHunt
Talked with my lease manager about it today. There will be no baiting or supplemental feeding on their property. I’m perfectly fine with it. We never baited but we did feed in off season. Just have to plant more summer fields now. Some of you act like you can’t hunt without corn. I’ve killed em for many years before all this baiting crap started. People don’t wanna learn to hunt. They just wanna sit over a pile of corn and shoot deer. That ain’t hunting.



Agree....

Re: Westervelt Lease News [Re: therealhojo] #3632517
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Originally Posted by therealhojo
Originally Posted by FreeStateHunter
Originally Posted by therealhojo
Let’s put this into a sports theory.

Alabama season tickets. At one point there were 40,000 people in the waiting list with ticket prices going up every year.
They just built new sky boxes that sold for millions. They thought it would take a few years to sell them. It took months.

Same thing will happen to these leases.


To make this apples to apples those leases would need to produce record book bucks every other year, much like Alabama wins it all every other year. 130” deer and under ain’t gonna cut it


There was a waiting list when Shula was there too


Sure but while this is a silly argument, by the time Shula was there Alabama still had the most in the nation in national championships, bowl appearances, bowl wins and were 3rd overall in total wins. I’m in complete agreement with you all these properties will be leased, heck I personally will lease whichever ones I can get my hands on, but my point is that I believe once hunters see the rules are different on private land vs timber land the demand will eventually change, therefore changing prices. I also believe they are nearing the breaking point on cost for average joes. They’ll try to push it higher and a bunch of good uns with more money than sense will go pay $25-$35/acre to shoot dinks.

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Ok……..

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Originally Posted by JustHunt
Talked with my lease manager about it today. There will be no baiting or supplemental feeding on their property. I’m perfectly fine with it. We never baited but we did feed in off season. Just have to plant more summer fields now. Some of you act like you can’t hunt without corn. I’ve killed em for many years before all this baiting crap started. People don’t wanna learn to hunt. They just wanna sit over a pile of corn and shoot deer. That ain’t hunting.


They will just go sit on a green field then.

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How will they police this on all the properties. Send people in weekly to walk the property or fly helicopters over to scan the area. Seems it would be a huge inconvenience to do it

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Re: Westervelt Lease News [Re: Lockjaw] #3633080
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Originally Posted by Lockjaw
Originally Posted by JustHunt
Talked with my lease manager about it today. There will be no baiting or supplemental feeding on their property. I’m perfectly fine with it. We never baited but we did feed in off season. Just have to plant more summer fields now. Some of you act like you can’t hunt without corn. I’ve killed em for many years before all this baiting crap started. People don’t wanna learn to hunt. They just wanna sit over a pile of corn and shoot deer. That ain’t hunting.


They will just go sit on a green field then.




Not quite the same as hunting over corn IMO.



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