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Re: Blood tracking vs running deer with dogs [Re: johnv] #3593950 01/24/22 11:08 PM 01/24/22 11:08 PM
Joined: Dec 2012 Posts: 15,980 Brierfield Beadlescomb OP Old Mossy Horns
Beadlescomb OP Old Mossy Horns Joined: Dec 2012 Posts: 15,980 Brierfield	Originally Posted by johnv Originally Posted by Beadlescomb Saw a post on Facebook earlier about a deer shot about two inches above the hoof. They had a tracker come out with two hounds run the deer over a mile bay it in a creek and finally finish it off. It was almost a completely superficial wound. At what point are you just running a deer with dogs? Those situations just don't sit right with me. Before anyone starts hollering about coyotes getting it yeah thats a possibility but I've also seen deer missing part of a leg that have healed up and they were doing fine His bone was broke man you can see it sticking out in my partners photo. If he can't do any better then he did then he needs to stay home We will burn that bridge when we get there

Re: Blood tracking vs running deer with dogs [Re: Beadlescomb] #3593960 01/24/22 11:27 PM 01/24/22 11:27 PM
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johnv 10 point J Joined: Dec 2012 Posts: 2,848 Al, Union Grove	Originally Posted by Beadlescomb Originally Posted by johnv Originally Posted by Beadlescomb Saw a post on Facebook earlier about a deer shot about two inches above the hoof. They had a tracker come out with two hounds run the deer over a mile bay it in a creek and finally finish it off. It was almost a completely superficial wound. At what point are you just running a deer with dogs? Those situations just don't sit right with me. Before anyone starts hollering about coyotes getting it yeah thats a possibility but I've also seen deer missing part of a leg that have healed up and they were doing fine His bone was broke man you can see it sticking out in my partners photo. If he can't do any better then he did then he needs to stay home Im talking about the woman with the dogs not who shot it.

Re: Blood tracking vs running deer with dogs [Re: Beadlescomb] #3593963 01/24/22 11:32 PM 01/24/22 11:32 PM
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woodduck 14 point W Joined: Sep 2011 Posts: 7,423 Tenn	I saw the post you are talking about. No way that deer would have died. And the comment about the dogs being able to chase coyotes down so they are “good”. WTH does that have to do with dogs tracking a wounded deer

Re: Blood tracking vs running deer with dogs [Re: Beadlescomb] #3593982 01/25/22 01:04 AM 01/25/22 01:04 AM
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Dano 10 point Joined: Nov 2006 Posts: 2,499 Linden, AL	Yall are some nitty little girls. I could care less if the dog chases the deer down and they dispatch it. I typically don't do it. I don't care if the deer runs off and gets eat by coyotes and buzzards if my phone never rings. I don't care if all the people that split hairs and hooves and whatever else is the case. I just know when someone calls me to track for them I do all I can in my power and my dogs power to find the deer. Sure sometimes I call it off cause the sob has caught another gear and obviously my dogs ain't slowing him down. Could they? probably if I wanted to run them for miles and miles. But I'm fat old and don't want to chase one that bad. Now if my dogs are locked in and bay it I go dispatch. Harold I really think you just over analyze everything anyone says on here. Just cause someone has a different opinion or way of doing things doesnt make them wrong and it doesnt make you wrong for doing it or seeing your way.. Look I've sent you tracks and you've sent me tracks I will continue to do that and hope you do the same. You've got great dogs that find a slug of deer but honestly sometimes being quiet and not so analytical is best. Hell ask lane kiffen about analytics. It isn't necessary to see a good tackle...you can hear it. Knute Rockne

Re: Blood tracking vs running deer with dogs [Re: Beadlescomb] #3593990 01/25/22 02:01 AM 01/25/22 02:01 AM
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outdoors1 10 point Joined: Oct 2013 Posts: 2,783 alabama	I could see how a track could turn into a hunt. Now if there is good blood I just think more effort should be made to pursue. The situation really determines to effort for a recovery. Some people really don't want to track because they think if the deer is not dead they may get another shot. I know if the person that shot the rack deer I found in the woods a few years ago shot the deer legit they sure would be all for a tracking dog to have found it. Deer react differently and running deer and tracking could be an issue, but if the guts are hanging out I would like to see that deer not suffer. Over the years it would have been good to know a tracker close by to find a few deer I have shot. Hard to fool a dog's nose and sometimes the way a deer don't always leave a blood trail only a dog could find them in an five year old growed up pine thicket bottom. The thing about it, a dog can move good in those thickets day or night. A party of 10 it may take days to cover 40 acres and still the little thick spot no one dared to go in could be where the buck of a lifetime hid out. Now, running one a mile for a recovery could be classified as hunting and not tracking if there is not wound. If you are a dog hunter that could be called hunting!😃 i just know it sure is bad to find one a couple of days later and all that meat go to waste!

Re: Blood tracking vs running deer with dogs [Re: outdoors1] #3594012 01/25/22 06:45 AM 01/25/22 06:45 AM
Joined: Apr 2000 Posts: 15,858 Elmore County Frankie Old Mossy Horns
Frankie Old Mossy Horns Joined: Apr 2000 Posts: 15,858 Elmore County	Originally Posted by outdoors1 I could see how a track could turn into a hunt. Now if there is good blood I just think more effort should be made to pursue. The situation really determines to effort for a recovery. Some people really don't want to track because they think if the deer is not dead they may get another shot. I know if the person that shot the rack deer I found in the woods a few years ago shot the deer legit they sure would be all for a tracking dog to have found it. Deer react differently and running deer and tracking could be an issue, but if the guts are hanging out I would like to see that deer not suffer. Over the years it would have been good to know a tracker close by to find a few deer I have shot. Hard to fool a dog's nose and sometimes the way a deer don't always leave a blood trail only a dog could find them in an five year old growed up pine thicket bottom. The thing about it, a dog can move good in those thickets day or night. A party of 10 it may take days to cover 40 acres and still the little thick spot no one dared to go in could be where the buck of a lifetime hid out. Now, running one a mile for a recovery could be classified as hunting and not tracking if there is not wound. If you are a dog hunter that could be called hunting!😃 i just know it sure is bad to find one a couple of days later and all that meat go to waste! Depends on your definition of waste but that's a different discussion Frankie's Page

Re: Blood tracking vs running deer with dogs [Re: Dano] #3594021 01/25/22 07:18 AM 01/25/22 07:18 AM
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Ben2 Old Mossy Horns Joined: Jan 2013 Posts: 19,661 Pelham	Originally Posted by Dano Harold I really think you just over analyze everything anyone says on here. Just cause someone has a different opinion or way of doing things doesnt make them wrong and it doesnt make you wrong for doing it or seeing your way.. Look I've sent you tracks and you've sent me tracks I will continue to do that and hope you do the same. You've got great dogs that find a slug of deer but honestly sometimes being quiet and not so analytical is best. Hell ask lane kiffen about analytics. Well said. A lot of us do it me included not just CNC. Last edited by Ben2; 01/25/22 07:37 AM.

Re: Blood tracking vs running deer with dogs [Re: Beadlescomb] #3594050 01/25/22 08:07 AM 01/25/22 08:07 AM
Joined: Jun 2012 Posts: 21,752 Awbarn, AL CNC Dances With Weeds
CNC Dances With Weeds Joined: Jun 2012 Posts: 21,752 Awbarn, AL	Y’all sound like a bunch of lefties that are just reaching for some kind of “cause” to whine about and stand up for…..even though its not a real issue. The folks that are overanalyzing are the ones taking a 1 in 10,000 case of a leg shot that might survive and running with it like the sky is falling ….. Y’all should make you a commercial with Sarah McLachlan singing a sad song in the back ground while you say…..…..”For just 29 cents a day….the price of a cup of coffee…..you too could help save a poor little leg shot deer” Last edited by CNC; 01/25/22 08:07 AM. We dont rent pigs

Re: Blood tracking vs running deer with dogs [Re: CNC] #3594058 01/25/22 08:15 AM 01/25/22 08:15 AM
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Ben2 Old Mossy Horns Joined: Jan 2013 Posts: 19,661 Pelham	Originally Posted by CNC Y’all sound like a bunch of lefties that are just reaching for some kind of “cause” to whine about and stand up for…..even though its not a real issue. The folks that are overanalyzing are the ones taking a 1 in 10,000 case of a leg shot that might survive and running with it like the sky is falling ….. Y’all should make you a commercial with Sarah McLachlan singing a sad song in the back ground while you say…..…..”For just 29 cents a day….the price of a cup of coffee…..you too could help save a poor little leg shot deer” There you go again

Re: Blood tracking vs running deer with dogs [Re: Beadlescomb] #3594066 01/25/22 08:23 AM 01/25/22 08:23 AM
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johnv 10 point J Joined: Dec 2012 Posts: 2,848 Al, Union Grove	Anyone who tries to push only tracking on leed needs to go hug a tree and go to a petting zoo. Sell your guns, dogs and move off to the city. Bunch of dang pansies arses. I've got a deer we had to leave in a swamp till we get permission this evening. Followed blood and chunks of bone for the last 1/2 mile with his front leg shot off. I'm betting he's so weak this evening we can finish him with a knife. Hate we couldn't end his suffering lastnight

Re: Blood tracking vs running deer with dogs [Re: Beadlescomb] #3594071 01/25/22 08:29 AM 01/25/22 08:29 AM
Joined: Jun 2012 Posts: 21,752 Awbarn, AL CNC Dances With Weeds
CNC Dances With Weeds Joined: Jun 2012 Posts: 21,752 Awbarn, AL	We dont rent pigs

Re: Blood tracking vs running deer with dogs [Re: Beadlescomb] #3594092 01/25/22 08:47 AM 01/25/22 08:47 AM
Joined: Sep 2004 Posts: 36,181 alabama BhamFred Freak of Nature
BhamFred Freak of Nature Joined: Sep 2004 Posts: 36,181 alabama	I'll repeat what I said earlier. IF the leg is shot low enough and the leg is broken the deer WILL put the leg down at some point. IF dirt gets in the wound the deer is dead. Not today or tomorrow but infection will killl that deer. Every damn time. I have seen deer get a small puncture wound, like a nail, get infected and swell up. Infection will lead to sepsis and death. I've spent most of the money I've made in my lifetime on hunting and fishing. The rest I just wasted..... proud Cracker-Americaan muslims are like coyotes, only good one is a dead one

Re: Blood tracking vs running deer with dogs [Re: Frankie] #3594093 01/25/22 08:50 AM 01/25/22 08:50 AM
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gman Booner Joined: Apr 2000 Posts: 11,993 34°25'49.80"N 86°55'46.99"...	Originally Posted by Frankie Originally Posted by BhamFred I tracked, bayed, and killed a buck with my Taz dog many years ago. It was shot right at top of hoof10 hours earlier. Bone was exposed and rammed into the dirt. A deer shot thru or right above the hoof is a dead deer walking. Every time they push that exposed bone into the dirt, in goes more bacteria.THAT deer will die from infection, will absolutely not survive long. I don't know , I've killed a few three legged deer but the one missing was a front leg. I guess they missing so far up they didn't get in the dirt. I think about it I've never seen a deer missing a back foot or part of the back leg When i hunted pickens co back in the day, guy shot a big 10pt on opening morning. Found bone and blood for a bit but lost it. Fast fwd to january and my buddy shot a big 10 that was dogging a doe in a cutover. It was the same 10pt. Back leg hanging by a piece of skin and the ham had deteriorated to nothing. He still wanted that coochie and my buddy said he didn't even show a limp while running after her. The harder I practice, the luckier I get.

Re: Blood tracking vs running deer with dogs [Re: Beadlescomb] #3594134 01/25/22 09:15 AM 01/25/22 09:15 AM
Joined: Jun 2012 Posts: 21,752 Awbarn, AL CNC Dances With Weeds
CNC Dances With Weeds Joined: Jun 2012 Posts: 21,752 Awbarn, AL	When we get a call and it ends up being a leg shot, the pics I’m posting is the reality of what the end result usually looks like……For folks to take the ones that don’t look quite as bad to them and use for something to be outraged over is done so in part because of ignorance of what they’re complaining about. The survival rate for these deer is about 0.001%......When folks want something to complain about though then they’ll dig deep to find it. Last edited by CNC; 01/25/22 09:16 AM. We dont rent pigs

Re: Blood tracking vs running deer with dogs [Re: Beadlescomb] #3594135 01/25/22 09:18 AM 01/25/22 09:18 AM
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hawndog 8 point H Joined: Oct 2012 Posts: 1,574 Tuscaloosa	This is the shucks that gets new regs in place.

Re: Blood tracking vs running deer with dogs [Re: Beadlescomb] #3594145 01/25/22 09:38 AM 01/25/22 09:38 AM
Joined: Jun 2012 Posts: 21,752 Awbarn, AL CNC Dances With Weeds
CNC Dances With Weeds Joined: Jun 2012 Posts: 21,752 Awbarn, AL	If people are “outraged” about it on the book of faces then not talking about it here isn’t gonna change a thing. I would rather the truth be told from folks who actually have a boots on the ground understanding of it rather than only hearing some sky is falling nonsense from a bunch of social media Karens that just need something to grab and run with. Why in the world would we make new laws? Do deer need saving or do whiners just need appeasing? We dont rent pigs

Re: Blood tracking vs running deer with dogs [Re: CNC] #3594149 01/25/22 09:44 AM 01/25/22 09:44 AM
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hawndog 8 point H Joined: Oct 2012 Posts: 1,574 Tuscaloosa	Originally Posted by CNC If people are “outraged” about it on the book of faces then not talking about it here isn’t gonna change a thing. I would rather the truth be told from folks who actually have a boots on the ground understanding of it rather than only hearing some sky is falling nonsense from a bunch of social media Karens that just need something to grab and run with. Why in the world would we make new laws? Do deer need saving or do whiners just need appeasing? If that was meant for me, I agree with you. That was aimed at the Karens.

Re: Blood tracking vs running deer with dogs [Re: Beadlescomb] #3594155 01/25/22 09:52 AM 01/25/22 09:52 AM
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johnv 10 point J Joined: Dec 2012 Posts: 2,848 Al, Union Grove	I don't understand it either. Always gotta have a few cry babies hunting something to cry about.

Re: Blood tracking vs running deer with dogs [Re: Beadlescomb] #3594160 01/25/22 09:58 AM 01/25/22 09:58 AM
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MorningAir 8 point M Joined: Feb 2014 Posts: 1,635 East Alabama	Why would the people that are against using a tracker dog rather the deer die a slow painful death. That pic CNC posted , no way that deer would’ve lived. A lone coyote would take that deer down. Is the complaint from the people against it that some of the lower society rednecks in counties without dog hunting will start turning dogs loose and claim they are certified tracking dogs? Seems like that would be an easy thing for the game warden to prosecute.

Re: Blood tracking vs running deer with dogs [Re: Beadlescomb] #3594165 01/25/22 10:07 AM 01/25/22 10:07 AM
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cc28 4 point Joined: Jan 2018 Posts: 715 right here	I think it says alot that yall say you see some of these ridiculous shots fairly often. Looks like some folks need to give the shootin house a break and get a little better with their weapon. I dont blame anyone a bit for tryin to recover a dying animal. What I dont understand is taking a terrible shot, or hunting with a rifle or bow that is that bad off.

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