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Re: Blood tracking vs running deer with dogs [Re: Beadlescomb] #3593808
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From an Ethical stand point I have zero issues with it. As long as it is done safely and not trespassing in the process. But I dog hunt too so my view maybe different than yours on that side of it. From a legal standpoint that’s going to be up to the Game Wardens Discretion. In one case you could have two guys following a dog hoping he bays it. The other side could be dumping 3 or 4 dogs on one with four guys trying to head it off and kill it. Pretty sure in the first case you would be fine. In the second you’d be getting a ticket if in an area no dog hunting is allowed or after dog season is over.

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Do the trackers have to stop at 3 bucks like everybody else or do they keep killing them because they’re providing a service? 😀



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Re: Blood tracking vs running deer with dogs [Re: Beadlescomb] #3593811
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When the shooter changes its running deer with dogs

Re: Blood tracking vs running deer with dogs [Re: Beadlescomb] #3593821
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Southwood makes ya think who killed it. I would not mount a deer someone else killed. So do you tell people you slowed it down and a dog caught it and oh so and so shot it.

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Originally Posted by Paint Rock 00
Southwood makes ya think who killed it. I would not mount a deer someone else killed. So do you tell people you slowed it down and a dog caught it and oh so and so shot it.


"Check out this deer I shot in the foot and the dog tracker killed after we ran it a mile..."


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Re: Blood tracking vs running deer with dogs [Re: Beadlescomb] #3593841
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At the end of the day we’re talking about deer that have been taken out of the game either way no different than if they were hit by a car and crippled up…..They are all salvage missions to recover what we can of them…..Truth be told the reason most of these folks have a problem with it or “it doesn’t just sit right with them” is because they’re just mad that someone else may be having some fun that they’re not…… So they reach for a reason just to throw salt in someone else’s game.

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Re: Blood tracking vs running deer with dogs [Re: CNC] #3593844
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Originally Posted by CNC
At the end of the day we’re talking about deer that have been taken out of the game either way no different than if they were hit by a car and crippled up…..They are all salvage missions to recover what we can of them…..Truth be told the reason most of these folks have a problem with it or “it doesn’t just sit right with them” is because they’re just mad that someone else may be having some fun that they’re not…… So they reach for a reason just to throw salt in someone else’s game.


I'm gonna have to go get my rubber boots on if you're gonna keep spewing all this bulllchit


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Re: Blood tracking vs running deer with dogs [Re: Southwood7] #3593847
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Originally Posted by Southwood7

Do the trackers have to stop at 3 bucks like everybody else or do they keep killing them because they’re providing a service? 😀

Great question



Re: Blood tracking vs running deer with dogs [Re: sj22] #3593848
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Originally Posted by sj22
Originally Posted by Southwood7

Do the trackers have to stop at 3 bucks like everybody else or do they keep killing them because they’re providing a service? 😀

Great question


You already know the answer to that


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Re: Blood tracking vs running deer with dogs [Re: Beadlescomb] #3593857
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Originally Posted by Beadlescomb
Originally Posted by CNC
At the end of the day we’re talking about deer that have been taken out of the game either way no different than if they were hit by a car and crippled up…..They are all salvage missions to recover what we can of them…..Truth be told the reason most of these folks have a problem with it or “it doesn’t just sit right with them” is because they’re just mad that someone else may be having some fun that they’re not…… So they reach for a reason just to throw salt in someone else’s game.


I'm gonna have to go get my rubber boots on if you're gonna keep spewing all this bulllchit


I never took mine off.


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Re: Blood tracking vs running deer with dogs [Re: Ben2] #3593868
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Originally Posted by Ben2
When the shooter changes its running deer with dogs


I beg to differ. Many instances where I have to dispatch a deer that we are tracking I am the only one that carries a firearm. There a very few people who I will let dispatch a deer with my dogs nearby.

But I agree the ones that run them for miles and miles just to bay them up and catch them aren't really into tracking. I have a rule I usually follow if they break bay 3 times and cover ground faster than the dogs I leave them alone. 90% of the ones we trail are doa however the few we do bay up are going to die we may have been mislead about the shot and got on a gut shot deer too quick and bay it or we get on a leg shot and bay it. I don't care what anyone says a leg shot deer is a dead deer in Alabama if my drahthaars can catch up to him imagine what a pack of yotes do to them.


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Originally Posted by Dano
But I agree the ones that run them for miles and miles just to bay them up and catch them aren't really into tracking. I have a rule I usually follow if they break bay 3 times and cover ground faster than the dogs I leave them alone. 90% of the ones we trail are doa however the few we do bay up are going to die we may have been mislead about the shot and got on a gut shot deer too quick and bay it or we get on a leg shot and bay it. I don't care what anyone says a leg shot deer is a dead deer in Alabama if my drahthaars can catch up to him imagine what a pack of yotes do to them.



Dano…….Go back and give some thought to what you are saying here and see if you don’t feel like you’re just splitting hairs……and is it worth it to draw this line in the sand where you're drawing it…..Is it worth having to track on-lead from now on?

You're saying you don’t like the guys who run the deer for a long distance and dispatch them but you're ok allowing your dogs to bay them three times……That seems like cutting some mighty fine hairs….For the sake of ALL trackers and the ability to use tracking dogs off lead…..wouldnt it be best for everyone to go with the fact.....and it is a fact..... that if we can finish him off then he is a dead deer walking regardless of the distance the GPS shows?? The two lower leg shot deer that I posted pictures of barely went anywhere…..they just bayed up out of the bed…..Does it really change the fate of what will happen to that deer though if that same deer breaks and runs before its dispatched??…..Its the same wound and same dead deer walking…..One just broke and ran and one didn’t. Is this worth losing all tracking off lead over? If folks aren’t trespassing then just let it be……

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Re: Blood tracking vs running deer with dogs [Re: sj22] #3593900
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Originally Posted by sj22
Originally Posted by Southwood7

Do the trackers have to stop at 3 bucks like everybody else or do they keep killing them because they’re providing a service? 😀

Great question

The deer they kill count for you. Thats weird, aint it.

Re: Blood tracking vs running deer with dogs [Re: Dano] #3593921
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Originally Posted by Dano
Originally Posted by Ben2
When the shooter changes its running deer with dogs


I beg to differ. Many instances where I have to dispatch a deer that we are tracking I am the only one that carries a firearm. There a very few people who I will let dispatch a deer with my dogs nearby.

But I agree the ones that run them for miles and miles just to bay them up and catch them aren't really into tracking. I have a rule I usually follow if they break bay 3 times and cover ground faster than the dogs I leave them alone. 90% of the ones we trail are doa however the few we do bay up are going to die we may have been mislead about the shot and got on a gut shot deer too quick and bay it or we get on a leg shot and bay it. I don't care what anyone says a leg shot deer is a dead deer in Alabama if my drahthaars can catch up to him imagine what a pack of yotes do to them.

You can only shoot 3 bucks a yr in Bama. Do you game check them all? Do you have permission to hunt on the property you are tracking on etc?

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Originally Posted by CNC
Originally Posted by Dano
But I agree the ones that run them for miles and miles just to bay them up and catch them aren't really into tracking. I have a rule I usually follow if they break bay 3 times and cover ground faster than the dogs I leave them alone. 90% of the ones we trail are doa however the few we do bay up are going to die we may have been mislead about the shot and got on a gut shot deer too quick and bay it or we get on a leg shot and bay it. I don't care what anyone says a leg shot deer is a dead deer in Alabama if my drahthaars can catch up to him imagine what a pack of yotes do to them.



Dano…….Go back and give some thought to what you are saying here and see if you don’t feel like you’re just splitting hairs……and is it worth it to draw this line in the sand where you're drawing it…..Is it worth having to track on-lead from now on?

You're saying you don’t like the guys who run the deer for a long distance and dispatch them but you're ok allowing your dogs to bay them three times……That seems like cutting some mighty fine hairs….For the sake of ALL trackers and the ability to use tracking dogs off lead…..wouldnt it be best for everyone to go with the fact.....and it is a fact..... that if we can finish him off then he is a dead deer walking regardless of the distance the GPS shows?? The two lower leg shot deer that I posted pictures of barely went anywhere…..they just bayed up out of the bed…..Does it really change the fate of what will happen to that deer though if that same deer breaks and runs before its dispatched??…..Its the same wound and same dead deer walking…..One just broke and ran and one didn’t. Is this worth losing all tracking off lead over? If folks aren’t trespassing then just let it be……

Just so happens I have a leg shot deer living on our place. I guess dogs could have bayed and killed it but he looks like he is doing okay besides a slight limp.
[Linked Image] hopefully he will live

Re: Blood tracking vs running deer with dogs [Re: jwalker77] #3593926
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Originally Posted by jwalker77
Originally Posted by sj22
Originally Posted by Southwood7

Do the trackers have to stop at 3 bucks like everybody else or do they keep killing them because they’re providing a service? 😀

Great question

The deer they kill count for you. Thats weird, aint it.


If I shoot one in the leg and it crosses the property line and then somebody hunting nearby blows his lungs out then who killed the deer?


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Originally Posted by Ben2
Originally Posted by CNC
Originally Posted by Dano
But I agree the ones that run them for miles and miles just to bay them up and catch them aren't really into tracking. I have a rule I usually follow if they break bay 3 times and cover ground faster than the dogs I leave them alone. 90% of the ones we trail are doa however the few we do bay up are going to die we may have been mislead about the shot and got on a gut shot deer too quick and bay it or we get on a leg shot and bay it. I don't care what anyone says a leg shot deer is a dead deer in Alabama if my drahthaars can catch up to him imagine what a pack of yotes do to them.



Dano…….Go back and give some thought to what you are saying here and see if you don’t feel like you’re just splitting hairs……and is it worth it to draw this line in the sand where you're drawing it…..Is it worth having to track on-lead from now on?

You're saying you don’t like the guys who run the deer for a long distance and dispatch them but you're ok allowing your dogs to bay them three times……That seems like cutting some mighty fine hairs….For the sake of ALL trackers and the ability to use tracking dogs off lead…..wouldnt it be best for everyone to go with the fact.....and it is a fact..... that if we can finish him off then he is a dead deer walking regardless of the distance the GPS shows?? The two lower leg shot deer that I posted pictures of barely went anywhere…..they just bayed up out of the bed…..Does it really change the fate of what will happen to that deer though if that same deer breaks and runs before its dispatched??…..Its the same wound and same dead deer walking…..One just broke and ran and one didn’t. Is this worth losing all tracking off lead over? If folks aren’t trespassing then just let it be……

Just so happens I have a leg shot deer living on our place. I guess dogs could have bayed and killed it but he looks like he is doing okay besides a slight limp.
[Linked Image] hopefully he will live


We had one like that last year wasn't shot but it was broken. He was killed this season and weighed 200lbs


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Re: Blood tracking vs running deer with dogs [Re: Beadlescomb] #3593931
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Originally Posted by Beadlescomb
Saw a post on Facebook earlier about a deer shot about two inches above the hoof. They had a tracker come out with two hounds run the deer over a mile bay it in a creek and finally finish it off. It was almost a completely superficial wound.
At what point are you just running a deer with dogs? Those situations just don't sit right with me. Before anyone starts hollering about coyotes getting it yeah thats a possibility but I've also seen deer missing part of a leg that have healed up and they were doing fine


His bone was broke man you can see it sticking out in my partners photo.

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Originally Posted by Ben2


Just so happens I have a leg shot deer living on our place. I guess dogs could have bayed and killed it but he looks like he is doing okay besides a slight limp.
[Linked Image] hopefully he will live


That’s the one like Backwoods cowboy shot that bled for 165 yards and then quit……Dogs aren’t gonna bay that one up and finish it off…..Its a flesh wound no different than the backwhack I showed a pic of.


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Here’s another example of some of the type of shots that are occurring and that we’re trying to salvage…..This is the deer I was talking about that got down in the creek and just couldn’t get out. We found it 300 yards down creekand finished it off. The deer was actually recovered at over a mile from where it was shot…..Did the distance part of it really matter though??

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