goobler,

I ain't in charge and ain't trying to be. Just making some observations I find to be interesting.

Studying human behavior I reckon. Trying to understand why people do what they do.

I don't turkey hunt, so you're safe from me butting in over there. I see more turkeys than deer around here, and always have. Just don't care about hunting them. I do like seeing them though.

And you like qdm, so you've got another place to talk about that without me butting in.

Just sayin', that's all.

Skinny and them divided this thing up. I guess they knew what they were doing or we wouldn't have been around this long.

That's some of what I'm talking about. Not getting on anybody's case in particular. Just making comments on general observations I've made thru the years.

Hunters are divided now more than any time I've ever seen in my 50 years of observation. Ignoring it won't help anything. If we recognize it, we might be able to start trying to fix it.

And yet 49er has 7,253 posts, what does that say about him?

that's what I was going to say...49er I'll have to say you've been struggling lately...might want to take a break and come back when you have something worth posting.

WHAT IN THE ?????????? ARE YOU KIDDING YOURSELF???????

"It's like they have some kind of a need to show others how much "knowlege" they have about things that don't really involve hunting at all, or they need to belittle hunters who don't share their interests. It's seems like some kind of elitist attitude I suppose"

49er you just summarized yourself...I couldn't have said it any better myself. Like I said you need some time off...

Tells me that he is a lonely loser.

Barry,


It's right there under your nose... it says I'm a 14 point.

How many of those 7,253 posts were made in the qdm section? What does that say about me?

truedouble,


See what I mean?

There's that attitude.

burbank,


Let me guess. Another in a list of derogatory remarks that caused me to just quit bothering with trying to talk to him.

Same old qdm attitude I'm sure.

No, I'm just concerned about you...your posts seem to be more off base than ever before. Just want to make sure all this qdm talk isn't making you crazy..

Why don't you forget about me and explain the need qdm'ers have to degrade those who don't agree with them.

Do you deny it? You've seen it happen, and you do it yourself.

Why are you here instead of discussing qdm with the group down in the qdm section?

That's what this thread is about. It's about the elitist attitude you share with your qdm buddies and your need to impose it on other people.

You can't do that in the QDM section because they agree with you there. So you are here instead.

Look at the data. What does the data tell you? You enjoy this section more? Why?

Some people worry more about others than themselves.Not everyone agrees on the same thing.Deal with it.Hunt the way you want and don't worry bout how others hunt.I could care less about QDM practices myself.I'm just thankful to be here and have the ability to hunt.I plant food plots during the winter and occasionally during the summer when I can afford to.If I wanna shoot a spike I will and don't give a shiit what ANYBODY thinks.Is that QDM?Nope and I don't care.On the other hand I can see where people support it and practice it.I don't down anyone who does it and know quite a few people that are big into it,and I have never been downed for not doin it.Just go hunt the way you want to and don't worry bout how everyone else is doin it.

Where do you hunt in the summer?

Seriously?

That QDM enthusiasts are a subset of all deer hunters, as it should be.

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Fixed it for you.

You're right. There are always people in any walk of life who want to set limits for others.

The thread about farming deer is what sparked this thread. Who are we to say that a man is out of line for raising deer with enormous antlers?

It's his property, his freedom and he's not imposing his will on others. Yet there are those who imply that limits should be set.

Why is it our business what he does on his deer farm?

It's those people who want to make it our business that I'm referring to. For some reason, qdm seems to fit well with their way of thinking. Talk about freedom and liberty and it draws them like flies. They can't stand it and they have to attack.

A review of this thread will bear that out.

49er,

The only interests I have in deer farming are 1) the potential impact deer farming can have on local deer herd health (as it is now obvious deer farming is spreading CWD to areas in which it did not previous exist); and 2) the poor image canned hunting and genetically manipulated deer have on the hunting of free-ranging wild deer.

In the first instance, I want to see deer farming outlawed because the threat of disease spread is so real and so disasterous. On the second point, I have no interest in regulating something because of image. If my concerns over deer farming were simply based on image, I would simply voice my opinion, but not push for regulation. It is the disease issue that forces my push for regulation.

Each hunter has to decide for themselves "how much management is too much management," and act accordingly. I have my limits and I don't cross those limits. I could care less what my neighbors' limits are.

You wrote: "There are always people in any walk of life who want to set limits for others." Unfortunately, that is true. And also unfortunately too many QDM enthusiasts want to see other hunters' harvest and hunting opportunities limited just so that their efforts towards growing big bucks can be more successful. I deeply oppose that movement/viewpoint. If you want to practice QDM, do so on your own hunting land. If you don't, don't.

QDM is a far cry from deer farming. I have and do some of both and they are not nearly the same. Deer farming and farming for deer are two completely different things.

Growing crops of deer in pens and hand picking the genetics involved is deer farming. My 7000 acre tract that we manage intensively and grow spring/summer crops is farming for deer. I do not try and push my views on others. QDM when done "right" with realistic goals can and is very rewarding for a club or property owner.

The struggle comes in when you have neighbors who are not like minded, but there is not much you can do about that unless you can get them on a coop program or show them the fruits of your labor. Often times that will bring them around to your side, or at least to a more management style of thinking. If it doesn't, oh well it's their property...

BSK's post about Trophyist attitude is spot on as well though.

But to compare deer farming and QDM is ridiculous. Deer farming is a business. QDM is management practices put in place to grow bigger deer.

Off my soapbox now.

But I thought you were in favor of the buck restrictions that were imposed on the Tennessee hunters, ergo, probably support Al's buck limit? Just tryin to help 49r out

BSK has had a change of heart in some of the matters he supported earlier.

He's stated that openly here. I respect that.