There are just local pockets of hunters that are not interested in management, which is fine but it just makes things hard.

I am going to step on toes here, but I am going to do it anyway.

We manage in the ball park of 290,000 acres in the southeast. We require clubs to turn in harvest data on about 150,000 acres of that property, and have been doing so for 5 years. The first year they had not AR so we could have a baseline data set. Year two they got AR's and have had since.

In the baseline data set, around 75-80% buck harvest was yearling bucks across the entire data set. Last year, after 4 years of AR's my yearling buck harvest percentage was down to 15% and some of those were harvested by youth hunters.

That said, last year we had two districts that thought because we did not have a biologist in those districts anymore that the program had been terminated went right back to their old ways.... 75% of buck harvests were yearlings.

This tells me that most hunters, when not faced with some sort of regulation can't control their trigger.

QDM has not changed that many minds, they have changed the minds in power. The large landowners, the leasing agents and they/I am imposing these rules on them. Unfortunately it would be hard to sway my opinion that AL hunters can effectively manage our deer herd any better that the state is doing.

I am not saying the state should have all this POWER 49er, I am not sure of the answer, but I deal with thousands of AL hunters every year on our property and if we turned them all loose to do what they wanted, it would be pure chaos.

The people here on this site are the elegant few...

I love working with my customers, don't get me wrong, I would not have a job if is was not for them. There is just too many differing ideologies out there that do not mesh that would end up creating havoc.

What has this thread got to do with serious deer hunting? I come here to discuss hunting, not thread topics. Should have been posted in the general forum.

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The people here on this site are the elegant few...

I think BSK just supported my statement with his own explanation.

NightHunter,
In that situation, why limit hunters unnecessarily? They are doing a great job all on their own.

I will always promote QDM as a voluntary effort. I don't want to see state wildlife agencies forcing all hunters to practice it.

What has this thread got to do with serious deer hunting? I come here to discuss hunting, not thread topics. Should have been posted in the general forum.

goobler,

This thread is about a serious hunting matter.

It involves your own individual efforts to destroy my hunting rights.

I'm examining why you and others like you feel the need to do that.

Serious Deer Hunting
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Quality Deer Management
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More threads in the hunting forum than there are total posts in qdm section.

You guys getting lonesome down there??

is QDMa not part of some serious deer hunting discussion?

What's the difference.

You guys spend more time here pushing that crap than you do down there.

Hunting is the right to pursue and kill wildlife for food and recreation.

Qdm is habitat and wildlife management "for the health of the herd".

Only when you use it to try to destroy hunting.

Q= quality???
D= deer
M= management

Qdm is habitat and wildlife management "for the health of the herd".

Hunting is the right to pursue and kill wildlife for food and recreation.

should there be any rules then?

SECTION 42
Legislative, executive and judicial departments established.
The powers of the government of the State of Alabama shall be divided into three distinct departments, each of which shall be confided to a separate body of magistracy, to wit: Those which are legislative, to one; those which are executive, to another; and those which are judicial, to another.

SECTION 43
Separation of powers.
In the government of this state, except in the instances in this Constitution hereinafter expressly directed or permitted, the legislative department shall never exercise the executive and judicial powers, or either of them; the executive shall never exercise the legislative and judicial powers, or either of them; the judicial shall never exercise the legislative and executive powers, or either of them; to the end that it may be a government of laws and not of men.

SECTION 44
Composition of legislature.

The legislative power of this state shall be vested in a legislature, which shall consist of a senate and a house of representatives.

SECTION 45
Style of laws; division of laws; laws restricted to one subject; amendment or revival of laws by title only.
The style of the laws of this state shall be: "Be it enacted by the legislature of Alabama," which need not be repeated, but the act shall be divided into sections for convenience, according to substance, and the sections designated merely by figures. Each law shall contain but one subject, which shall be clearly expressed in its title, except general appropriation bills, general revenue bills, and bills adopting a code, digest, or revision of statutes; and no law shall be revived, amended, or the provisions thereof extended or conferred, by reference to its title only; but so much thereof as is revived, amended, extended, or conferred, shall be re-enacted and published at length.

Section 46 Election and terms of office of senators and representatives; vacancies in office.

Section 47 Qualifications of senators and representatives.

Section 48 Time and place of meetings of legislature; maximum length of sessions.

Section 49 Compensation of members of legislature.

Section 50 Number of senators and representatives; apportionment of legislators.

Section 51 Election of president pro tem. of senate and speaker of house of representatives; temporary president and speaker; officers of each house; each house judge of election, returns and qualifications of members.

Section 52 Quorum in each house.

Section 53 Rules of proceedings of both houses; punishment for contempt or disorderly behavior; enforcement of process; protection of members from violence, bribes, etc.; expulsion of members.

Section 54 Expulsion for corruption bar to further service in legislature; punishment for contempt or disorderly behavior not bar to indictment for same offense.

Section 55 Journal of proceedings of each house.

Section 56 Immunity of legislators.

Section 57 Doors of each house to be open; exceptions; restrictions on admittance to floor.

Section 58 Adjournment or change of place of sitting by one house without consent of other house.

Section 59 Appointment of legislators to other offices during terms for which elected.

Section 60 Conviction of certain crimes bar to eligibility for legislature and to holding state office of trust or profit.

Section 61 Laws to be passed by bills; restrictions on amendments to bills.

Section 62 Referral of bills to standing committees.

Section 63 Number of readings for bills; recordation of votes on bills; majority vote required for passage of bills.

Section 64 Procedure for amendment of bills; adoption of reports of committees of conference.

Conservation preserves the various species of wildlife

Conservation conserves various species through work, manipulation and planning.

Preservation preserves various species by leaving things alone.

There's a difference.

Conservation preserves the various species of wildlife, not qdm.

Show me in the law where the DCNR has been delegated authority to set seasons and bag limits for qdm purposes.

It's there, but it does not apply to privately owned and leased lands. Can you find it in the law?

TDD,

Why didn't you answer my question?

Ive read atleast half of your posts on here. I understand you stance. But your outlook and view is wrong.

In the eyes of those who regualte it, there is no difference in a "law" & a "rule". If you can get a ticket for it, it's a law.

If IT is as you say, NOT A LAW, but a rule and there is a difference in the two, then how can it be unconstitutional? The Constitution says nothing about "rules".