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Re: Hunter harrassment [Re: CrappieMan] #3445464
07/20/21 08:46 AM
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Originally Posted by Triple J
Do you lease the land you're on, or do you own it?



When you use the terms..."losing" land.... you don't own it.

Re: Hunter harrassment [Re: Jakethesnake] #3445492
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Originally Posted by Jakethesnake
Originally Posted by Triple J
Do you lease the land you're on, or do you own it?



When you use the terms..."losing" land.... you don't own it.


I'm asking the OP if he owns the land he's hunting on. I didn't see anything about losing land. I just know I have people leasing land beside me (land i own) who try and tell me what I should shoot and so forth. I know nothing about his situation. If the guy has to drive through the lease to get to the 30 acres its always gonna be a problem.

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Re: Hunter harrassment [Re: Lockjaw] #3445510
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We lease it. The long and short of it is dude buys acreage with a house on it. Decides to build a new house close to the property line, which is close to our biggest greenfield, which has been there over 20 years. Dude trespasses to see green field, and again to come talk to me about position of shooting house. I tell him we will likely move it. We do. Not good enough. Dude calls landowner and fusses about greenfield. They come out, measure everything and tell him to pound sand. Not good enough. Dude parks all his vehicles along property line, hoping i am sure we will punch a bullet hole or two in them.

Next season he inquires about purchasing the property. Then does nothing. Every single time I go to sit in shooting house, within about 30 minutes heavy equipment cranks up. Doesn't matter day or time, it always happens..... Then in spring I go out to plant and he comes over again and tells me he is buying it. Which wasn't true yet. While going thru the process, he came over and bush hogged our field, and has been driving up and down our road inside our club, and off the property he is supposedly buying.

based on his behavior, I feel comfortable labeling him a douche, and fully expect since his new corner will be very close to another green field of ours, he will do all sorts of crap to disrupt that field. All this traffic has run off 2 bucks that have been feeding in this field.

So obviously, becase he has no respect for us, much less property boundaries, I wanted to see if others have encountered anything similar and what hunter harrassment would need to look like.

Re: Hunter harrassment [Re: Lockjaw] #3445524
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As long as who you lease from has your back id give it right back to him. He'll be ready to sell out by next year!

Re: Hunter harrassment [Re: Lockjaw] #3445589
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Originally Posted by Lockjaw
We lease it. The long and short of it is dude buys acreage with a house on it. Decides to build a new house close to the property line, which is close to our biggest greenfield, which has been there over 20 years. Dude trespasses to see green field, and again to come talk to me about position of shooting house. I tell him we will likely move it. We do. Not good enough. Dude calls landowner and fusses about greenfield. They come out, measure everything and tell him to pound sand. Not good enough. Dude parks all his vehicles along property line, hoping i am sure we will punch a bullet hole or two in them.

Next season he inquires about purchasing the property. Then does nothing. Every single time I go to sit in shooting house, within about 30 minutes heavy equipment cranks up. Doesn't matter day or time, it always happens..... Then in spring I go out to plant and he comes over again and tells me he is buying it. Which wasn't true yet. While going thru the process, he came over and bush hogged our field, and has been driving up and down our road inside our club, and off the property he is supposedly buying.

based on his behavior, I feel comfortable labeling him a douche, and fully expect since his new corner will be very close to another green field of ours, he will do all sorts of crap to disrupt that field. All this traffic has run off 2 bucks that have been feeding in this field.

So obviously, becase he has no respect for us, much less property boundaries, I wanted to see if others have encountered anything similar and what hunter harrassment would need to look like.



I'd tread lightly on bullet holes in the vehicles talk. Neighborly disputes can get ugly and you don't wanna give the guy any ammo(no pun intended)

Re: Hunter harrassment [Re: Lockjaw] #3445592
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Have you called a local game warden and taken him out there and explained the situation to them to get their input?

Re: Hunter harrassment [Re: Lockjaw] #3445620
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curb stomp his fkn azz and be done with it. Some folks don't understand anything else.


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Re: Hunter harrassment [Re: hallb] #3445624
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Originally Posted by hallb
Have you called a local game warden and taken him out there and explained the situation to them to get their input?


I have talked to one of them and told him he was giving us trouble. But the problem right now is I don't have a clear pic of the guy over on us. I added another camera to see if I can get a better one, and am thinking about putting up a no trespassing sign on the road out of the green field and a camera there too, to see if he goes around it, which I feel certain he will. I have a pic of him in a UTV. Not clear enough to identify him yet. Make sense? So the only thing I really have is him crossing a green field that still belongs to us, using the road out of it onto our lease, which until it closes is still ours.


The bullet holes comment is what I felt like he was hoping would happen. We would shoot a deer, and the bullet pass through completely, and then hit one of his vehicles. Why else would he park them there all deer season? No one in our club would ever shoot towards a house or vehicle. In fact I passed on a deer that direction when I was sitting there with my 450 Bushmaster, just for that reason.

Our club is a great club. We have a couple law enforcement guys in it, however, this isn't their jurisdiction. We all follow the rules, I gave the other game warden the gate code last year, so we have nothing to hide. You get caught breaking the rules, you get a warning, you keep doing it, you are history.

So the issue is really more of having to get a persons attention who basically believes he can do whatever he wants out there. My understanding is the lease holder is aware we will trespass him. It's just a matter of catching him. I feel certain even if we put a sign up posting the road, he will go around it, which I believe if I have a clear picture is enough to have a warrant issued in alabama.

Re: Hunter harrassment [Re: Lockjaw] #3445625
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Paint your property line with purple paint and if you catch him on you again prosecute him for criminal trespass (if the new law has any teeth to it)

Re: Hunter harrassment [Re: Lockjaw] #3445629
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Originally Posted by Lockjaw
We lease it.


Is your name actually on the lease or is it a hunting club with the President’s name on the lease? This matters if you’re calling the Sheriff or Game Warden. Mark the lines, hang cams, handle accordingly. Good luck.

Be careful rocking the boat too much as far as bitching and moaning to the timber company. They don’t make much money on hunting leases, they make their money selling timber and property. If a lease becomes a problem child for them they’ll cut it loose. Oftentimes to the people that are causing the problem in the first place. It’s happened before and will happen again.


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Re: Hunter harrassment [Re: BCLC] #3445631
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Originally Posted by BCLC
Originally Posted by Lockjaw
We lease it.


Is your name actually on the lease or is it a hunting club with the President’s name on the lease? This matters if you’re calling the Sheriff or Game Warden. Mark the lines, hang cams, handle accordingly. Good luck.

Be careful rocking the boat too much as far as bitching and moaning to the timber company. They don’t make much money on hunting leases, they make their money selling timber and property. If a lease becomes a problem child for them they’ll cut it loose. Oftentimes to the people that are causing the problem in the first place. It’s happened before and will happen again.


Best and most accurate info yet.

Re: Hunter harrassment [Re: BCLC] #3445635
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Originally Posted by BCLC
Originally Posted by Lockjaw
We lease it.


Is your name actually on the lease or is it a hunting club with the President’s name on the lease? This matters if you’re calling the Sheriff or Game Warden. Mark the lines, hang cams, handle accordingly. Good luck.

Be careful rocking the boat too much as far as bitching and moaning to the timber company. They don’t make much money on hunting leases, they make their money selling timber and property. If a lease becomes a problem child for them they’ll cut it loose. Oftentimes to the people that are causing the problem in the first place. It’s happened before and will happen again.

Yep. Dude has you by the balls because he owns his property, you are an expendable peon (in the eyes of the law and him) that only has a yearly lease fee at stake. No one is going to care that you've been (or your president has been) a 20 year leasor, just being honest.

I wouldn't do much else except for hunt it like normal, stay way away from this guy, put some cell cams up on the roads, and move on. If you are shooting directly at his possessions and property line you probably need to change that ASAP.

This is coming from someone who's also had a house built right next to a long-standing greenfield. I still hunt it, but it completely changed the game for me and I just had to adjust. Y'all might even consider just moving the shooting house and letting the field grow up if you are truly interested in keeping the lease and not just going to war with your neighbor who's decided he's going to be an ass.

Re: Hunter harrassment [Re: Lockjaw] #3445643
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I think they know the guy is a problem. I was in a club like that before, where a landowner had acess through the property, and was a troublemaker. It got them a lower lease rate. But it was a problem, and the manager of the club was a dummy and put in an unauthorized green field basically on the property line, then sent pics of the adjacent landowner in the field to the timber co, and got blasted about it. Was told we couldn't even hunt the green field......... In fact I caught one of them trespassing hunting rabbits with dogs during bow season and confronted him and told he to get off the property.

The land is leased by one of the board members. That is usually how they do them. So its not a club lease, its a board member, however I am on the board and supposedly they have that info as well. I don't want to fuss at the timber co, but they ought to be giving us a commission for getting them big money for 30 acres. I would think they would appreciate us pissing the guy off more, so maybe he will buy more of it.. know what I mean? That's what I would say to them if I talked to them. And I really think they will support us, they have already approved the area we selected to replace the greenfield.

Re: Hunter harrassment [Re: Lockjaw] #3445758
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It sounds like you are getting pretty close to the timber company telling your club that they are establishing a new "bow only" buffer zone within a few hundred yards of that property line. It's becoming very common on leases near a home, if they will lease hunting rights at all. The liability of you having a shooting house and green field facing this guy's house when he has already complained about it is a much bigger priority to the company than your hunting preferences. You won't win this fight in the long run. If the changes on the bordering property is running deer off the field, then adjust and go where the deer are, not where they used to be back when you had the free benefit of the bordering property being bedding area to funnel deer to the plot.

Re: Hunter harrassment [Re: Lockjaw] #3445828
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Threads like this make me so proud I don’t have to hunt in a lease although I do have to deal with neighbors. I’ve worked hard my entire life to keep relationships with adjoining landowners in a good way and develop partnerships with them and the few new ones who’ve come along. I have one problem guy who I have to keep and eye on hunting on the line but other than him it’s a phone call and it’s handled. And If that little 52 problem acres ever goes up for sale I’ll buy it.


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Re: Hunter harrassment [Re: BhamFred] #3445929
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Originally Posted by BhamFred
curb stomp his fkn azz and be done with it. Some folks don't understand anything else.



I agree if I owned it . Having to kll or die over leased land I don't know . Guess it depended on how I felt that day

Re: Hunter harrassment [Re: Lockjaw] #3445945
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Legally there’s probably not going to be a lot you can do

Read that again slowly

Re: Hunter harrassment [Re: Lockjaw] #3445999
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I wish I had some acreage somewhere. Maybe one of these days.

Re: Hunter harrassment [Re: General] #3446839
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Originally Posted by General
Threads like this make me so proud I don’t have to hunt in a lease...


Makes me not feel so bad that I rarely even hunt anymore.


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Re: Hunter harrassment [Re: Lockjaw] #3448635
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Well I posted the road, so there is no way he doesn't know we don't want him on our side, and there seems to be a "hiccup" as far as the sale goes. If it falls thru, definitely going after hunter harassement for cutting our field.

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