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Land Prices
#3378128
03/23/21 08:35 PM
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kkeith1957
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What is the average cost per acre for hunting land in Lowndes and Butler county for Deer and Turkey There going to $11.50 acre on us
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Re: Land Prices
[Re: kkeith1957]
#3378139
03/23/21 08:43 PM
03/23/21 08:43 PM
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kkeith1957
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They went up 3.50 this year pretty good jump
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Re: Land Prices
[Re: kkeith1957]
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03/23/21 08:44 PM
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They went up 3.50 this year pretty good jump Let me guess... RMS?
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Re: Land Prices
[Re: kkeith1957]
#3378148
03/23/21 08:51 PM
03/23/21 08:51 PM
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This is true I had this land for 26yrs to
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Re: Land Prices
[Re: David Ellis]
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03/23/21 10:53 PM
03/23/21 10:53 PM
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Posts: 52,185 Gee's Bend/At The Hog Pen
James
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Paying $ 13 per acre now and hope we don't get a increase. High ground with no year round running water. Roads are terrible after last falls thinning and clear cut project. What were you paying before your increase? I'm guessing around $8 bucks an acre 😏
How many people am i willing to sacrifice for freedom? Everyone. All of them...
Do not regret growing older, it's a privilege denied to many!
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Re: Land Prices
[Re: kkeith1957]
#3378249
03/24/21 05:23 AM
03/24/21 05:23 AM
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kkeith1957
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It is just making it harder and harder to keep your membership down to a minimal, with the higher prices. Anytime you have a increase of $3.50 acre it puts a strain on everyone.I appreciate the information on the Prices everyone is paying down that way.
kmc
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Re: Land Prices
[Re: kkeith1957]
#3378284
03/24/21 07:11 AM
03/24/21 07:11 AM
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Way harder to hunt than it use to b r should b - some folks will likely get left out r drop out - hate that
Hunt the wind - leave it better than you found it - love your neighbor as you love your self We need prayer for our country now more than ever
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Re: Land Prices
[Re: kkeith1957]
#3378353
03/24/21 09:15 AM
03/24/21 09:15 AM
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It just forces clubs to put way to many members in there club just to pay for the leases , not many people want to spend $3500 a year just to hunt maybe 10 times a year so it is frustrating. Now on top of that the hogs are taking over a lot of the properties
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Re: Land Prices
[Re: kkeith1957]
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03/24/21 12:01 PM
03/24/21 12:01 PM
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Turkey_neck
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Rms gives me a $3.50 increase this year they can suck it.
Would walk over a naked woman to get to a gobblin turkey!
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[Re: kkeith1957]
#3378579
03/24/21 05:06 PM
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Probably just a new manager over the leasing division, wanting to make a name for him or herself and told his or her boss that he was taking all the existing leases to "market rate" to make his division more profitable. Anyone that thinks that any company that leases land to you, has any loyalty to you or your club whatsoever, is sorely mistaken. I'll say this also, I haven't seen $8 acre lease prices on land in central or south central AL in a good a while so you can look at it like this, you enjoyed it and reaped the benefits of it while it lasted. Doesnt make it right and hate it happened to you but I've had it happen to me too, and on multiple occasions.
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[Re: TDog93]
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03/24/21 05:07 PM
03/24/21 05:07 PM
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Way harder to hunt than it use to b r should b - some folks will likely get left out r drop out - hate that My grandpa used to run a club on some family land about 30-50 years ago. No dues. It was "dog drive Saturday morning at x time. Call your buddy and if you can make it come on". If you were there you took part. Boys have those day long passed.
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[Re: abolt300]
#3378771
03/24/21 09:39 PM
03/24/21 09:39 PM
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Turkey_neck
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Probably just a new manager over the leasing division, wanting to make a name for him or herself and told his or her boss that he was taking all the existing leases to "market rate" to make his division more profitable. Anyone that thinks that any company that leases land to you, has any loyalty to you or your club whatsoever, is sorely mistaken. I'll say this also, I haven't seen $8 acre lease prices on land in central or south central AL in a good a while so you can look at it like this, you enjoyed it and reaped the benefits of it while it lasted. Doesnt make it right and hate it happened to you but I've had it happen to me too, and on multiple occasions. If I get that jump I’ll keep it one last year to take care of everything all right. I’ll kill every deer I see that year then they can have it back.
Would walk over a naked woman to get to a gobblin turkey!
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[Re: Ol’Tom]
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03/28/21 10:51 AM
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The man that manages one of my leases told me last year that he was going to run it up to 10 dollars an acre just to get it up to where he thought it should be. I threw a fit, he didn’t give a damn what I thought or had done with the place. He proceeded to tell me that if I didn’t like it, he’d post it on his website for whatever he wanted to and someone would take it because I already had it ready to hunt. You can either pay it, or be gone they don’t care! I got a letter from him last week telling me it’s going up 2.5% again this year.
I’d pay him for that last year, shoot everything that moved and in February hire a crop duster and fill that son of a b*tch with Spike 80DF and spray the whole property.
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[Re: kkeith1957]
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03/28/21 11:34 AM
03/28/21 11:34 AM
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2Dogs
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These lease prices per acre are mind boggling.
"Why do you ask"?
Always vote the slowest path to socialism.
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[Re: Ol’Tom]
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03/28/21 03:38 PM
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The man that manages one of my leases told me last year that he was going to run it up to 10 dollars an acre just to get it up to where he thought it should be. I threw a fit, he didn’t give a damn what I thought or had done with the place. He proceeded to tell me that if I didn’t like it, he’d post it on his website for whatever he wanted to and someone would take it because I already had it ready to hunt. You can either pay it, or be gone they don’t care! I got a letter from him last week telling me it’s going up 2.5% again this year.
10/acre is a bargain anywhere in AL these days...
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[Re: FreeStateHunter]
#3380967
03/28/21 04:55 PM
03/28/21 04:55 PM
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257wbymag
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The man that manages one of my leases told me last year that he was going to run it up to 10 dollars an acre just to get it up to where he thought it should be. I threw a fit, he didn’t give a damn what I thought or had done with the place. He proceeded to tell me that if I didn’t like it, he’d post it on his website for whatever he wanted to and someone would take it because I already had it ready to hunt. You can either pay it, or be gone they don’t care! I got a letter from him last week telling me it’s going up 2.5% again this year.
I’d pay him for that last year, shoot everything that moved and in February hire a crop duster and fill that son of a b*tch with Spike 80DF and spray the whole property. Great attitude right there.
Quietly killing turkeys where youre not!!! My tank full of give a fraks been runnin on empty I'm the paterfamilias
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Re: Land Prices
[Re: kkeith1957]
#3380982
03/28/21 05:36 PM
03/28/21 05:36 PM
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TDog93
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Dead Eye I enjoy hunting today but I sometimes miss the old dog hunting days u mentioned - back then you always had action even if u did not see a deer because u had the dogs and when somebody killed a deer it was divided up among the club members - it was more a we atmosphere back then - Today we hv made it more me type atmosphere
Hunt the wind - leave it better than you found it - love your neighbor as you love your self We need prayer for our country now more than ever
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[Re: 257wbymag]
#3380990
03/28/21 05:46 PM
03/28/21 05:46 PM
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FreeStateHunter
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The man that manages one of my leases told me last year that he was going to run it up to 10 dollars an acre just to get it up to where he thought it should be. I threw a fit, he didn’t give a damn what I thought or had done with the place. He proceeded to tell me that if I didn’t like it, he’d post it on his website for whatever he wanted to and someone would take it because I already had it ready to hunt. You can either pay it, or be gone they don’t care! I got a letter from him last week telling me it’s going up 2.5% again this year.
I’d pay him for that last year, shoot everything that moved and in February hire a crop duster and fill that son of a b*tch with Spike 80DF and spray the whole property. Great attitude right there. Bring on the hate, I thrive on it
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[Re: kkeith1957]
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03/28/21 06:27 PM
03/28/21 06:27 PM
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257wbymag
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I don’t say a word about hating anyone but nuking someone else’s property isn’t cool
Quietly killing turkeys where youre not!!! My tank full of give a fraks been runnin on empty I'm the paterfamilias
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[Re: FreeStateHunter]
#3381027
03/28/21 06:51 PM
03/28/21 06:51 PM
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UA Hunter
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I don’t say a word about hating anyone but nuking someone else’s property isn’t cool Neither is being greedy with lease prices What price is being greedy? I own land and lease land and the prices most people (including me) are paying wouldn't even make me consider leasing my land out. Not worth the hassle for a relatively low amount of money.
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[Re: UA Hunter]
#3381032
03/28/21 06:58 PM
03/28/21 06:58 PM
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Posts: 7,075 Free State of Winston
FreeStateHunter
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I don’t say a word about hating anyone but nuking someone else’s property isn’t cool Neither is being greedy with lease prices What price is being greedy? I own land and lease land and the prices most people (including me) are paying wouldn't even make me consider leasing my land out. Not worth the hassle for a relatively low amount of money. Well that’s your opinion and I got mine. I promise you.... you ain’t changing mine or the way I feel about it. The example ol boy gave above was greedy in my opinion. If you don’t agree then kiss my grits, you can’t do anything about it
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[Re: FreeStateHunter]
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03/28/21 07:08 PM
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I don’t say a word about hating anyone but nuking someone else’s property isn’t cool Neither is being greedy with lease prices What price is being greedy? I own land and lease land and the prices most people (including me) are paying wouldn't even make me consider leasing my land out. Not worth the hassle for a relatively low amount of money. Well that’s your opinion and I got mine. I promise you.... you ain’t changing mine or the way I feel about it. The example ol boy gave above was greedy in my opinion. If you don’t agree then kiss my grits, you can’t do anything about it I don't have a problem with you having your opinion. I was actually wondering what was greedy. I hate when my lease prices go up too. I was just pointing out in the whole scheme of things, lease prices are relatively small in comparison to land ownership. On one of my leases, the road work and and land taxes likely ate up every dollar we paid. If the owner wanted to, they could certainly justify raising the price and if we didn't pay it, someone would.
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[Re: ALclearcut]
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03/28/21 07:33 PM
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. Don't ever get emotionally attached to a hunting lease. It is not yours and never was. Take this advice.^^^^ and pay what you can afford, for as long as you can afford it. When you can no longer either afford it or justify the money you spend on it, someone else will.
What you do today, you have to sleep with tonight.
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[Re: kkeith1957]
#3381958
03/30/21 11:16 AM
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The value of anything is what a person is willing to pay. If a property isn't worth $14/acre, then no one will pay $14/acre. If someone is willing to pay $14/acre, that means the value is $14/acre.
From the owner's perspective: if a fella owned a thousand acres and can get $10,000 annually or $14,000 annually from someone for the privilege to go shoot pine goats on it, you can't blame him a bit for getting the most he can.
Anyone that is currently (or ever has) selling anything at all, and tells you they aren't trying to get the top dollar for whatever they are selling is probably lying. We may reduce the price a little to incentive a quicker sale or encourage a risk from the purchaser, but that is a calculated trade-off. Why do we hold landowners to a different standard?
"The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants." - Thomas Jefferson
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[Re: FreeStateHunter]
#3382057
03/30/21 02:16 PM
03/30/21 02:16 PM
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abolt300
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I don’t say a word about hating anyone but nuking someone else’s property isn’t cool Neither is being greedy with lease prices Buncha democrats up in here. Dont worry, everyone in the US is going to get a taste of what socialism is really like over the next 3.5 yrs. He can charge anything he wants for the land. If you want to pay it, do it and hunt it. If you dont want to pay it, find something else or dont hunt. I hate where lease prices are going too but it is what it is and I do not begrudge any landowner from trying to maximize his return on the property he owns. Americans are their own worst enemy. Everyone wants to complain about new 4x4 trucks being $60+K, yet they still buy them by the millions and complain about what they just paid for it. If it is overpriced, dont buy it or dont lease it. If enough people have the same philosophy, then none will sell or lease and the manufacturers/dealerships and landowners will cut the price until they start to sell. Anybody really think that it costs the mills $60/sheet to make 3/4" plywood? Capitalism. As long as someone will pay it, that's the going price.
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[Re: abolt300]
#3382091
03/30/21 03:22 PM
03/30/21 03:22 PM
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FreeStateHunter
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I don’t say a word about hating anyone but nuking someone else’s property isn’t cool Neither is being greedy with lease prices Buncha democrats up in here. Dont worry, everyone in the US is going to get a taste of what socialism is really like over the next 3.5 yrs. He can charge anything he wants for the land. If you want to pay it, do it and hunt it. If you dont want to pay it, find something else or dont hunt. I hate where lease prices are going too but it is what it is and I do not begrudge any landowner from trying to maximize his return on the property he owns. Americans are their own worst enemy. Everyone wants to complain about new 4x4 trucks being $60+K, yet they still buy them by the millions and complain about what they just paid for it. If it is overpriced, dont buy it or dont lease it. If enough people have the same philosophy, then none will sell or lease and the manufacturers/dealerships and landowners will cut the price until they start to sell. Anybody really think that it costs the mills $60/sheet to make 3/4" plywood? Capitalism. As long as someone will pay it, that's the going price. Yep, you’ve got me nailed DA. Capitalism and greed aren’t mutually exclusive. Capitalism isn’t always pure and it’s often used as a cover for just outright greed. For instance, in the example above that I made the comment on the landowner did NOTHING to improve the value of his property. He allowed the leaseholder to do all that for him, at the leaseholders cost, while harvesting a natural resource owned by the taxpayers yet he raises his prices..... what’s the justification? The property owner isn’t keeping the roads up, trimming trees, clearing roads, mending fences, repairing gates, putting lime in the ground.... that’s the leaseholders. So yea, I 100% stand behind calling him greedy and you can take Democrat and shove it up your a$$.
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[Re: kkeith1957]
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03/30/21 04:36 PM
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257wbymag
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You need to get laid dude
Quietly killing turkeys where youre not!!! My tank full of give a fraks been runnin on empty I'm the paterfamilias
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[Re: kkeith1957]
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03/30/21 06:27 PM
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So free state if somebody flew Spike across your own land you’d just chalk it up well I guess I was a greedy dick head and be ok with it? 🤦🏿🤦🏿🤦🏿
Quietly killing turkeys where youre not!!! My tank full of give a fraks been runnin on empty I'm the paterfamilias
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[Re: 257wbymag]
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03/30/21 06:46 PM
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So free state if somebody flew Spike across your own land you’d just chalk it up well I guess I was a greedy dick head and be ok with it? 🤦🏿🤦🏿🤦🏿 he doesn't need spike on his lawn to be a d.ck head...
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[Re: hamma]
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03/30/21 06:54 PM
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FreeStateHunter
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So free state if somebody flew Spike across your own land you’d just chalk it up well I guess I was a greedy dick head and be ok with it? 🤦🏿🤦🏿🤦🏿 he doesn't need spike on his lawn to be a d.ck head... That’s right. You need a tissue Nancy
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[Re: FreeStateHunter]
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03/30/21 09:33 PM
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I don’t say a word about hating anyone but nuking someone else’s property isn’t cool Neither is being greedy with lease prices Buncha democrats up in here. Dont worry, everyone in the US is going to get a taste of what socialism is really like over the next 3.5 yrs. He can charge anything he wants for the land. If you want to pay it, do it and hunt it. If you dont want to pay it, find something else or dont hunt. I hate where lease prices are going too but it is what it is and I do not begrudge any landowner from trying to maximize his return on the property he owns. Americans are their own worst enemy. Everyone wants to complain about new 4x4 trucks being $60+K, yet they still buy them by the millions and complain about what they just paid for it. If it is overpriced, dont buy it or dont lease it. If enough people have the same philosophy, then none will sell or lease and the manufacturers/dealerships and landowners will cut the price until they start to sell. Anybody really think that it costs the mills $60/sheet to make 3/4" plywood? Capitalism. As long as someone will pay it, that's the going price. Yep, you’ve got me nailed DA. Capitalism and greed aren’t mutually exclusive. Capitalism isn’t always pure and it’s often used as a cover for just outright greed. For instance, in the example above that I made the comment on the landowner did NOTHING to improve the value of his property. He allowed the leaseholder to do all that for him, at the leaseholders cost, while harvesting a natural resource owned by the taxpayers yet he raises his prices..... what’s the justification? The property owner isn’t keeping the roads up, trimming trees, clearing roads, mending fences, repairing gates, putting lime in the ground.... that’s the leaseholders. So yea, I 100% stand behind calling him greedy and you can take Democrat and shove it up your a$$. Go frak yourself. Most on here will agree you’re the DA. Buy your own freaking land then you won’t have to worry or complain about lease prices . Why does a landowner have to do anything to add value to his property?. He owns the damn land, he can just sit back and watch the trees and grass grow, or he can burn it all to the ground if that’s what he wants. You and your attitude are prime examples of why a ton of landowners will not lease hunting rights on their land. Some charge higher prices just to weed out trash and others say it’s just not worth the hassle. You, just like everyone else on here are entitled to your opinion, but that doesn’t make it right.
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[Re: abolt300]
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03/30/21 09:55 PM
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They Call Me Gator 🐊
Joined: Mar 2020
Posts: 7,075
Free State of Winston
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Go frak yourself. Most on here will agree you’re the DA. Buy your own freaking land then you won’t have to worry or complain about lease prices . Why does a landowner have to do anything to add value to his property?. He owns the damn land, he can just sit back and watch the trees and grass grow, or he can burn it all to the ground if that’s what he wants. You and your attitude are prime examples of why a ton of landowners will not lease hunting rights on their land. Some charge higher prices just to weed out trash and others say it’s just not worth the hassle. You, just like everyone else on here are entitled to your opinion, but that doesn’t make it right.
Well unlike you I couldn’t care less what anyone on this site thinks about me. It’s an INTERNET MESSAGE BOARD. Good grief, I’ve never seen a bunch of so-called men get so butthurt. I don’t know how any of y’all make it through real life and overcome actual adversity. And your comprehension is terrible because I never once complained about lease prices, I just said in the example above that I thought the dude was being greedy and about ten of y’all started crying.
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Re: Land Prices
[Re: FreeStateHunter]
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03/31/21 08:31 AM
03/31/21 08:31 AM
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Joined: Oct 2013
Posts: 3,230 Semmes, AL
HippieKiller
10 point
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10 point
Joined: Oct 2013
Posts: 3,230
Semmes, AL
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the landowner did NOTHING to improve the value of his property... The property owner isn’t keeping the roads up, trimming trees, clearing roads, mending fences, repairing gates, putting lime in the ground.... that’s the leaseholders. Trees grow and the value of land goes up with (or without) roads, fences, and gates. A skidder don't need a road, fences are just another thing to tear up when falling trees, and without roads/fences, there is no need for a functional gate. And unless the lime was being spread across the entirety of the property, it did not help the land as a whole, just the plots that the hunter wanted to use. He allowed the leaseholder to do all that for him, at the leaseholders cost, while harvesting a natural resource owned by the taxpayers yet he raises his prices..... what’s the justification? Another way of saying that is he allowed the leaseholder to do minor modifications to his property for the leaseholder's own benefit.
"The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants." - Thomas Jefferson
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