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Unpopular Opinion #3365332
03/02/21 10:17 PM
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In most of Alabama, the population of mature bucks could significantly increase and the number of mature bucks killed by hunters wouldn't significantly increase. In most places, it's not the complete lack of mature bucks that prevent most people from routinely killing them. It's habitat, hunting styles and other factors. If you never see/kill mature bucks now, that would be unlikely to change.

Re: Unpopular Opinion [Re: UA Hunter] #3365855
03/03/21 05:28 PM
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I always say if what you doing ain't working change how you do it .

Re: Unpopular Opinion [Re: UA Hunter] #3365929
03/03/21 07:42 PM
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Having a higher number of mature bucks using your property would definitely increase your odds of killing one no matter how you hunt.


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Re: Unpopular Opinion [Re: UA Hunter] #3365966
03/03/21 08:22 PM
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2+2=4


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Re: Unpopular Opinion [Re: UA Hunter] #3365969
03/03/21 08:27 PM
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If you want to kill more mature bucks then you gotta see more of them.


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Re: Unpopular Opinion [Re: UA Hunter] #3365975
03/03/21 08:46 PM
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Your hunting is only as good as your neighbors..... with baiting and liberal seasons the opportunity exists to decimate buck populations.

Re: Unpopular Opinion [Re: UA Hunter] #3365976
03/03/21 08:46 PM
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How do y’all think these snaggle tooth 8 year olds are killing Booners? You think they’re putting in 180 hours a month in the tree saddle 30 ft up? Or.....are they hunting phenomenal properties with a huge number of big bucks? beers

Re: Unpopular Opinion [Re: UA Hunter] #3365984
03/03/21 08:55 PM
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If we had more mature bucks on our place, we’d kill more bucks.

Re: Unpopular Opinion [Re: UA Hunter] #3365996
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I've seen a half dozen picture of children under age 10 that have killed monsters this year. Let me kill the suspense...none of them were killed in Bankhead national forest, or Jackson county. They were all killed in the Mississippi Delta or prime Alabama black belt land.

Re: Unpopular Opinion [Re: UA Hunter] #3366006
03/03/21 09:25 PM
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II Have a problem with that! I like to hunt whatever size deer I feel like taking ! Its not up to you!


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Re: Unpopular Opinion [Re: UA Hunter] #3366038
03/03/21 09:53 PM
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That's right Frankie.

Mike not if they never set foot in the area you're hunting during daylight.

True CNC, but having more doesn't insure you'll see more.

270 that's in line with what I'm saying. Those properties apparently lay out and are hunted in a way that's conducive to killing mature bucks. It's my contention that almost all sizable properties hold mature bucks but most are either difficult to hunt or the people aren't hunting it in a manner that leads to mature bucks being killed.

T-town I don't doubt that but I'm assuming you're already killing mature bucks.

In my mind, extra bucks would be in areas that already hold them and the hunters that already see/kill them would kill more, but if your area doesn't have any now or you never see them, I don't think much would change. I'm not talking about so many that the woods would be so saturated with them that they wouldn't have a choice but to inhabit your property and walk by wherever you set up.

Re: Unpopular Opinion [Re: UA Hunter] #3366107
03/03/21 11:12 PM
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It doesn’t take a savvy woodsman to smoke the 2-3 year old age class. Nearly every property I’ve hunted the older bucks were no harder to kill than the younger ones, except there just aren’t as many of them. You can’t kill what’s not there and there’s lots of places they simply aren’t there. The properties that consistently produce very nice deer all have one thing in common. It’s simple. They don’t shoot them until they’re big. Nothing spectacular. Average hunters can kill big deer where they exist.

Re: Unpopular Opinion [Re: Mbrock] #3366127
03/04/21 12:04 AM
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Originally Posted by Mbrock
It doesn’t take a savvy woodsman to smoke the 2-3 year old age class. Nearly every property I’ve hunted the older bucks were no harder to kill than the younger ones, except there just aren’t as many of them. You can’t kill what’s not there and there’s lots of places they simply aren’t there. The properties that consistently produce very nice deer all have one thing in common. It’s simple. They don’t shoot them until they’re big. Nothing spectacular. Average hunters can kill big deer where they exist.



Yeah , never leave out the,,,, luck factor.

Lot of simple things hunters can do to improve their chances

Where I hunt there will never be what i would call , a trophy class deer killed.

Re: Unpopular Opinion [Re: UA Hunter] #3366134
03/04/21 01:14 AM
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Originally Posted by UA Hunter
In most of Alabama, the population of mature bucks could significantly increase and the number of mature bucks killed by hunters wouldn't significantly increase. In most places, it's not the complete lack of mature bucks that prevent most people from routinely killing them. It's habitat, hunting styles and other factors. If you never see/kill mature bucks now, that would be unlikely to change.

Some of the biggest bucks ever killed have been killed by the most unlikely hunters. Lot will say they didn't even know it existed like Milo Hansen? Now, just having access to the right property that is the most difficult part, imo. Some people just have the right property or habitat and on those any kid can shoot one, almost at their choosing. Not really that impressive to me! Like shooting fish in a barrel. Some properties are just loaded with deer others obsolete until.....boom or swack!

Re: Unpopular Opinion [Re: UA Hunter] #3366325
03/04/21 12:42 PM
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The three hardest things in deer hunting: Educating deer hunters, getting everyone you hunt with on the same page as far as goals and controlling that trigger finger. If you have those three things going for you, you’ll have plenty of mature bucks.


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Re: Unpopular Opinion [Re: UA Hunter] #3366384
03/04/21 03:03 PM
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Originally Posted by UA Hunter
In most of Alabama, the population of mature bucks could significantly increase and the number of mature bucks killed by hunters wouldn't significantly increase. In most places, it's not the complete lack of mature bucks that prevent most people from routinely killing them. It's habitat, hunting styles and other factors. If you never see/kill mature bucks now, that would be unlikely to change.


Truth.


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Re: Unpopular Opinion [Re: Mbrock] #3366388
03/04/21 03:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Mbrock
It doesn’t take a savvy woodsman to smoke the 2-3 year old age class. Nearly every property I’ve hunted the older bucks were no harder to kill than the younger ones, except there just aren’t as many of them. You can’t kill what’s not there and there’s lots of places they simply aren’t there. The properties that consistently produce very nice deer all have one thing in common. It’s simple. They don’t shoot them until they’re big. Nothing spectacular. Average hunters can kill big deer where they exist.


People have to quit smoking the 2 and 3 year old bucks.


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Re: Unpopular Opinion [Re: Gobl4me] #3366393
03/04/21 03:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Gobl4me
Your hunting is only as good as your neighbors..... with baiting and liberal seasons the opportunity exists to decimate buck populations.


"liberal" season has nothing to do with it. Because there is a buck limit of 3.
The "problem" is all the great white hunters out there that smoke every 2 and 3 year old buck they see until they limit out.
Baiting could be an issue - and it should have never been legalized.


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Re: Unpopular Opinion [Re: UA Hunter] #3366404
03/04/21 03:25 PM
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Originally Posted by UA Hunter
In most of Alabama, the population of mature bucks could significantly increase and the number of mature bucks killed by hunters wouldn't significantly increase. In most places, it's not the complete lack of mature bucks that prevent most people from routinely killing them. It's habitat, hunting styles and other factors. If you never see/kill mature bucks now, that would be unlikely to change.



I agree with you. Very few mounter-racked bucks are killed on a greenfield, from a shooting house or ladder stand, that gets hunted every weekend, by every member on the club and their 463 kids and guests (with their Bad Boy Buggy sitting literally in sight) (and it was daylight when they walked in and out).

When someone says "hunting club" to me, I immediately think "food plots and ladder stands" and basically no chance at a mounter buck. No thank you.


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Re: Unpopular Opinion [Re: WmHunter] #3366405
03/04/21 03:31 PM
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Some of you want further encroachment on our hunting privileges, because you prefer a different way of hunting. You bow hunt, so let's limit gun hunters. You want a huge buck, so let's limit the numbers others kill. Go buy several hundred acres, manage it to the best or your ability, and then have some twiddle fart tell you that you can't kill bucks on it, because it isn't fair to them because they can't hunt that type land. Hmmm, sounds like a bunch of democrats to me.


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