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Re: How to recover from a bad burn? [Re: Turkey_neck] #3319527
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Just for the heck of it......take a small test area and apply some kind of microbial inoculant this spring........There's recipes online for making your own or you can order it online......Blahblahblah used one that he said made a big difference on his food plots called "Root Ruckus".....I'm sure there are several on the market....


Is it possible to sterilize the soil....basically kill the microbial life over a large area with a fire that's too hot??.....What about toasting the annual seed and perennial plant roots with a hot fire??


Turkeyneck.......When you burned, did you completely wrap the stand in fire.....in a complete ring?

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Originally Posted by CNC
Just for the heck of it......take a small test area and apply some kind of microbial inoculant this spring........There's recipes online for making your own or you can order it online......Blahblahblah used one that he said made a big difference on his food plots called "Root Ruckus".....I'm sure there are several on the market....


Is it possible to sterilize the soil....basically kill the microbial life over a large area with a fire that's too hot??.....What about toasting the annual seed and perennial plant roots with a hot fire??


Turkeyneck.......When you burned, did you completely wrap the stand in fire.....in a complete ring?

Yes lit down wind and wrapped it.


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Re: How to recover from a bad burn? [Re: Turkey_neck] #3319642
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Somebody post up Turkey_neck's video......I'm not sure how to......I think his issues are stemming from a pretty intense fire

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Re: How to recover from a bad burn? [Re: Turkey_neck] #3319916
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Site prep fires don’t care about how hot they get, hotter the better. Every area I’ve seen burned came back with briars and sage grass at the least.
I have seen pine straw suppress an area, I’d burn it again, remove the pine straw which is a natural weed suppressor.


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Re: How to recover from a bad burn? [Re: Turkey_neck] #3320062
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It may be too hot a fire and soil subsoil makeup. There is a very hard sub soil on that ridge. In the summer it’s like rock but sandy.
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Re: How to recover from a bad burn? [Re: Turkey_neck] #3320241
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You need a skid steer and brush cutter to allow more sunlight to the ground

Re: How to recover from a bad burn? [Re: johndeere5036] #3320378
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Originally Posted by johndeere5036


You need a skid steer and brush cutter to allow more sunlight to the ground

There’s plenty of sunlight. The two small areas of the property are way thicker and have way more growth then the barren area. Those two areas also had the worst site prep. They weren’t burned due to how hot the big area was and how many jumps we had on it.


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Re: How to recover from a bad burn? [Re: Turkey_neck] #3326430
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The only thing I can add is that those pictures remind me of pine stands they used to have on the old Coosa WMA. Some of it was longleaf, but most was loblolly and it had never been burned. It just looked that way because of very poor soil fertility. And the deer didn't get very big, but turkeys did well and would start using the pines again long before they would in areas with better soil fertility.

I'm sure it looks a lot better in the summer. I would run a cool fire through that place soon, and then disc the flat places, and be real happy with it. Why would you want deer on your place anyway? smile

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Re: How to recover from a bad burn? [Re: Turkey_neck] #3329031
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Re: How to recover from a bad burn? [Re: Turkey_neck] #3329119
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Re: How to recover from a bad burn? [Re: Turkey_neck] #3337280
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Re: How to recover from a bad burn? [Re: Turkey_neck] #3338472
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I'm not sure what you think it's supposed to look like after a burn, but every site will respond differently. Going by the last 3 pictures showing the burn it definitely didn't get too hot and could have been burned a lot hotter. Why did you have to wait 7 years before you could burn it? Lack of fuel?

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Originally Posted by Softailrider00
I'm not sure what you think it's supposed to look like after a burn, but every site will respond differently. Going by the last 3 pictures showing the burn it definitely didn't get too hot and could have been burned a lot hotter. Why did you have to wait 7 years before you could burn it? Lack of fuel?

Couldn’t get lines pushed out weather a combination of things.

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Re: How to recover from a bad burn? [Re: Turkey_neck] #3339012
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From what little I know and I’m no expert, there are really two main types of prescribed burn processes.actually a few more but this is what most novices stick with. A backing fire, a fire into the wind, does a slow methodical burn, and burns up all of your litter layer, and a heading fire, one that burns WITH the wind and is faster, but may not burn your litter completely to the ground. It spreads so quick and much quicker with any kind of wind. If you dig into the ash of a heading fire, sometimes you will find the litter layer underneath that wasn’t burnt very well. It will slow the regrowth sometimes and basically act as a mulch in your flowerbed kind of effect. A backing fire is what we try to do most of the time as it burns slower and complete and our seed bank seems to spout and come to life. Maybe you could have done a heading fire, with some ground moisture on top of that and could have caused more litter right at the ground not to burn off. You wouldn’t hardly notice unless you dig down. It’ll all look good. That’s just my personal observations and my two cents. To really answer your question, you may need to go back in and do a backing fire through it if this wasn’t done the first go around. It could be other things that have been mentioned like poor soil or too much canopy and the seed didn’t receive enough sunlight. Good luck and let us know how things progress.

Here’s kind of an example I found. Fast forward to 2:00 https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=WVygOrWCoMI


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Re: How to recover from a bad burn? [Re: CNC] #3346477
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You could buy a bunch of round rolls of hay and place them strategically throughout your pine stand. They would provide cover and plenty of seeds that could sprout and grow to some cover. I know a guy.



If you could do this and run some cows on it for a few weeks with some temporary electric fencing it would probably help greatly.......

Unless its CRP ground.


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