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Neck sizing Vs. Full sizing brass
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11/30/20 08:16 PM
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Any negatives to neck sizing brass for the same rifle?
Is there a negative to weakening the shoulder or thinning the brass wall any more so, than using a full sizing die?
God Bless, David B.
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Re: Neck sizing Vs. Full sizing brass
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11/30/20 10:17 PM
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Ummm, I hate to be contrarian, but sometimes I can't keep my mouth shut. First, neck sizing done correctly will improve accuracy. But the right dies are important. The Lee collet dies mentioned above can work as good as dies costing 5 times as much. I've only tried the collet dies once, and I had issues. After seating a bullet, the neck tension was so weak I could pull bullet out with my fingers. Not good. Kept adjusting the die per instructions trying to get more neck tension and it finally broke the die. Said fuggit and went back to my FL sizer. Redding makes several different types of neck dies, some have worked and some have sucked in my experience. Their standard, plain Jane neck sizer die is a POS IMHO. Tried it with one of my cartridges and it induced terrible run out / concentricity issues. The FL sixer does a better job, when adjusted properly. Their Type S and competition neck sizers with bushing is where they start to get good. With good brass and the expander ball removed, it will size necks straight. The interchangeable bushings allow you to fine tune neck tension and these dies also allow you to adjust how much of the neck is sized. I use a competition neck sizer for my 308 and only size about 2/3 of the neck. Using this sizer and a Forster micrometer seating die definitively improved accuracy on a rifle that was already very accurate. One more note. Bad brass is just that. Bad. No matter what dies, press and technique you use, you can't fix chitty brass. If the brass thickness is not even around the neck, the only way to fix it is neck turning. Life is too short to waste time turning brass necks for a hunting rifle.
Dying ain't much of a living boy...Josey Wales
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Re: Neck sizing Vs. Full sizing brass
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12/01/20 12:33 AM
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Bumping the shoulders back 0.002” with a full length sizer ain’t hurting nothing.
83% of all statistics are made up.
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Re: Neck sizing Vs. Full sizing brass
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12/01/20 12:39 AM
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You a contrarian? Noooo Way! You know I kid Wes. In a hunting rifle I'd never turn a neck. I've neck turned 22's and 6ppc and it sucked course I was helping out a benchrester and those people are born OCDC but they can shoot some. Not that I'm an expert or something but crimp quality along with neck tension makes sense how a round sits in a chamber. But what do I know? I still think cast lead bullets are best in .38 special so I ain't "modern".
Only hits count.
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Re: Neck sizing Vs. Full sizing brass
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12/01/20 06:33 PM
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Worrying about runout is a waste of time.
83% of all statistics are made up.
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Re: Neck sizing Vs. Full sizing brass
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12/01/20 11:42 PM
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Ummm, I hate to be contrarian, but sometimes I can't keep my mouth shut. First, neck sizing done correctly will improve accuracy. But the right dies are important. The Lee collet dies mentioned above can work as good as dies costing 5 times as much. I've only tried the collet dies once, and I had issues. After seating a bullet, the neck tension was so weak I could pull bullet out with my fingers. Not good. Kept adjusting the die per instructions trying to get more neck tension and it finally broke the die. Said fuggit and went back to my FL sizer. Redding makes several different types of neck dies, some have worked and some have sucked in my experience. Their standard, plain Jane neck sizer die is a POS IMHO. Tried it with one of my cartridges and it induced terrible run out / concentricity issues. The FL sixer does a better job, when adjusted properly. Their Type S and competition neck sizers with bushing is where they start to get good. With good brass and the expander ball removed, it will size necks straight. The interchangeable bushings allow you to fine tune neck tension and these dies also allow you to adjust how much of the neck is sized. I use a competition neck sizer for my 308 and only size about 2/3 of the neck. Using this sizer and a Forster micrometer seating die definitively improved accuracy on a rifle that was already very accurate. One more note. Bad brass is just that. Bad. No matter what dies, press and technique you use, you can't fix chitty brass. If the brass thickness is not even around the neck, the only way to fix it is neck turning. Life is too short to waste time turning brass necks for a hunting rifle. The secret to lee collet die is order mandrel from lee to your diameter
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Re: Neck sizing Vs. Full sizing brass
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12/02/20 08:02 AM
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Anyone ever shot neck sized cases, and then not been able to open the bolt after shooting?
What about the primer pocket expanding on neck sized brass before the primer pocket expands on full sized brass?
God Bless, David B.
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Re: Neck sizing Vs. Full sizing brass
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12/02/20 08:27 AM
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That sounds like a pressure issue not related to neck sizing.
Dying ain't much of a living boy...Josey Wales
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Re: Neck sizing Vs. Full sizing brass
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12/02/20 11:01 AM
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That sounds like a pressure issue not related to neck sizing. ^^^^^ What he said!!!
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Re: Neck sizing Vs. Full sizing brass
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12/02/20 08:48 PM
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Boff your rifle is telling you to railroad crossing. (Stop Look Listen)
Only hits count.
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Re: Neck sizing Vs. Full sizing brass
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12/02/20 09:09 PM
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Boff your rifle is telling you to railroad crossing. (Stop Look Listen) I haven't experienced anything with a rifle recently, just asking what each of you have experienced, as I'm not sure about the validity of something said by someone else. I've always "heard" neck sizing prolongs brass life. Recently, I heard otherwise. God Bless, David B.
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Re: Neck sizing Vs. Full sizing brass
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12/02/20 10:36 PM
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Sticky bolt lift and loose primer pockets are a sure sign of excessive pressure. I've loosened a few primer pockets in my time.
Jus sayin.
Dying ain't much of a living boy...Josey Wales
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Re: Neck sizing Vs. Full sizing brass
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12/03/20 09:19 PM
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Boff your rifle is telling you to railroad crossing. (Stop Look Listen) I haven't experienced anything with a rifle recently, just asking what each of you have experienced, as I'm not sure about the validity of something said by someone else. I've always "heard" neck sizing prolongs brass life. Recently, I heard otherwise. God Bless, David B. Nope only positives from neck sizing.loose primer pockets would be over pressure or bad brass.neck sized brass will chamber tighter after a few sizings but never been a issue but you can always make a dummy round to start and if to tight bump your case body size down slightly then gtg again.neck sizing definitely prolongs case life especially from a catastrophic eruption Which would be lower third of case not just a simple case neck split
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