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Re: For you guys shooting a bunch of does….. [Re: MC21] #3279278
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Originally Posted by MC21
Hey CNC what do you consider "a bunch of does"



It just depends.....I like the way we used to do it better where does were protected and people shots spikes instead…..If you shoot a spike then you’ve killed one deer…..if you shoot a doe then you kill her and every one she was gonna have.


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Re: For you guys shooting a bunch of does….. [Re: top cat] #3279279
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Originally Posted by top cat
Can't raise cattle and sell only bulls. Pasture would get small quick


Its not an apples to apples comparison......Deer have coyotes to deal with as predators for one....and 2) social dynamics amongst doe groups is gonna dictate to some degree their spacing and distribution. You may choose not to shoot them but that doesnt mean that they'll stockpile as a result

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Re: For you guys shooting a bunch of does….. [Re: CNC] #3279291
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Yeah shooting 1 doe kills everyone she would have had

Re: For you guys shooting a bunch of does….. [Re: CNC] #3279330
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Farmers will kill them for you. When they shoot at night they shoot every set of eyes they see. Even big bucks. They gut shoot them so they run out of the field.


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Re: For you guys shooting a bunch of does….. [Re: top cat] #3279351
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Originally Posted by top cat
Farmers will kill them for you. When they shoot at night they shoot every set of eyes they see. Even big bucks. They gut shoot them so they run out of the field.


Do away with crop depredation permits and instead compensate the farmers for the lost $$ through the money raised by things like the DCNR’s “bait fee”……

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Re: For you guys shooting a bunch of does….. [Re: CNC] #3279360
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Never happen


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Re: For you guys shooting a bunch of does….. [Re: CNC] #3279364
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They do it elsewhere. Not everywhere. The bait fee would be a perfect use. Otherwise forget it...

Re: For you guys shooting a bunch of does….. [Re: CNC] #3279388
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We were the first in the county to start shooting them. DMP over 20+ years ago. Locals went crazy. We got threats. Fellow killed 130# doe Saturday. Also 2 120# + were killed.


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Re: For you guys shooting a bunch of does….. [Re: CNC] #3279402
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TC, that’s big. How big do you think they’d be if you would kill more of them.

Re: For you guys shooting a bunch of does….. [Re: CNC] #3279414
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Originally Posted by CNC
Originally Posted by top cat
Farmers will kill them for you. When they shoot at night they shoot every set of eyes they see. Even big bucks. They gut shoot them so they run out of the field.


Do away with crop depredation permits and instead compensate the farmers for the lost $$ through the money raised by things like the DCNR’s “bait fee”……

Very good idea. On my folks spot that I hunt. I have a camera next to a feeder. There is a doe on camera that had triplets last year and twins this year. Why would any one shoot a producer like this ole girl?

Re: For you guys shooting a bunch of does….. [Re: cgardner] #3279463
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Originally Posted by cgardner
Hell, I would love to just see one!! My club doesn’t need to kill any, but they’re worse than children and can’t stand not to pull the trigger!! We don’t have the deer to justify killing a pile of does!


I thought the doe portion of the herd was healthy Chris.


I came, I saw, so I killed them all......Vern
Re: For you guys shooting a bunch of does….. [Re: CNC] #3279497
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Originally Posted by CNC
Originally Posted by top cat
Farmers will kill them for you. When they shoot at night they shoot every set of eyes they see. Even big bucks. They gut shoot them so they run out of the field.


Do away with crop depredation permits and instead compensate the farmers for the lost $$ through the money raised by things like the DCNR’s “bait fee”……



Won’t be done. There’s been a legal precedent set years ago that farmers have the right to protect their crops. Depredation permits are just a way for WFF to try and keep track of it.

Re: For you guys shooting a bunch of does….. [Re: CNC] #3279544
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We usually kill 15-20 does off about 2000 acres. We have a healthy population with a fairly balanced buck:doe ratio and 15 or 20 seems to keep the population steady from year to year. I would say the habitat is a little above average, and most of the surrounding properties are similar. I do think that we plant better greenfields and more acreage than most of the neighbors so that probably helps with sightings.

I will say that we used to be on a QDM program that recommended shooting anywhere from 75 to 150 does most years. We killed some good bucks during those years but it got to where we rarely saw deer. After a couple years of that we cut back to where we are now and have seen the population grow without noticing any real negative impact on the quality of bucks we harvest.

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Originally Posted by jdfarm23
We usually kill 15-20 does off about 2000 acres. We have a healthy population with a fairly balanced buck:doe ratio and 15 or 20 seems to keep the population steady from year to year. I would say the habitat is a little above average, and most of the surrounding properties are similar. I do think that we plant better greenfields and more acreage than most of the neighbors so that probably helps with sightings.

I will say that we used to be on a QDM program that recommended shooting anywhere from 75 to 150 does most years. We killed some good bucks during those years but it got to where we rarely saw deer. After a couple years of that we cut back to where we are now and have seen the population grow without noticing any real negative impact on the quality of bucks we harvest.


150 does on 2,000 acres that is laying em down.


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Originally Posted by mike35549
Originally Posted by jdfarm23
We usually kill 15-20 does off about 2000 acres. We have a healthy population with a fairly balanced buck:doe ratio and 15 or 20 seems to keep the population steady from year to year. I would say the habitat is a little above average, and most of the surrounding properties are similar. I do think that we plant better greenfields and more acreage than most of the neighbors so that probably helps with sightings.

I will say that we used to be on a QDM program that recommended shooting anywhere from 75 to 150 does most years. We killed some good bucks during those years but it got to where we rarely saw deer. After a couple years of that we cut back to where we are now and have seen the population grow without noticing any real negative impact on the quality of bucks we harvest.


150 does on 2,000 acres that is laying em down.


I’m not sure we ever reached that number but I know we killed 100 a few seasons

Re: For you guys shooting a bunch of does….. [Re: CNC] #3279640
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That’s ridiculous. Definitely not sustainable long term.

Re: For you guys shooting a bunch of does….. [Re: Mbrock] #3279646
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Originally Posted by Mbrock
That’s ridiculous. Definitely not sustainable long term.


Agreed. Eventually we called it quits and just used some common sense with our doe harvest while still trying to only shoot mature bucks.

Re: For you guys shooting a bunch of does….. [Re: top cat] #3279662
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Originally Posted by top cat
We were the first in the county to start shooting them. DMP over 20+ years ago. Locals went crazy. We got threats. Fellow killed 130# doe Saturday. Also 2 120# + were killed.



Lol,,, you wanna see folks cry kill bout 30 next to a club that has a membership fee of $5000 a year . We killed what ever came to the field .Next year the thinned the herd their way.

Re: For you guys shooting a bunch of does….. [Re: Orion34] #3279814
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Originally Posted by Orion34
TC, that’s big. How big do you think they’d be if you would kill more of them.

Biggest doe is 150#


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Re: For you guys shooting a bunch of does….. [Re: CNC] #3279827
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We regularly kill 130-145 lb does and the biggest is 163.

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