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How many does? #3272418
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Since they decided to shoot does, how many would you take if shot about 12-14 last season? I don’t know why they are shooting more for no reason, but would you shoot less?

Re: How many does? [Re: Buck slayer 15] #3272421
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No one can really give you a complete answer just sitting here on the internet…..There needs to be measurements taken and reasons behind why you say you “need” to be shooting this or that amount of does…..It needs to be based on the condition of the habitat and the condition of the deer. Generally speaking though there aren’t that many places that “need” to be shooting a bunch of does….Shoot what you want for your freezer but don’t just shoot them for the sake of “management” without first being able to point to the reasoning behind it other than somebody said that’s just what you do.


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Re: How many does? [Re: CNC] #3272424
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Thanks I agree with shooting what you are going to eat, but I think fellow hunters are just shooting them for “ management” .

Re: How many does? [Re: Buck slayer 15] #3272490
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Need some data. Acres involved. Location. Adjoining land owners. Management goals.


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Re: How many does? [Re: Buck slayer 15] #3272693
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Originally Posted by Buck slayer 15
Thanks I agree with shooting what you are going to eat, but I think fellow hunters are just shooting them for “ management” .

Its hunting not killing. That's where I draw thse line too.


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Re: How many does? [Re: jaredhunts] #3272702
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Yep, people take advantage and just kill way more than they need for fun.

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I don’t shoot them for the extra pressure it puts on place - if I can leave without them ever knowing I hunted - that’s great

I see 5-7 Doe on good hunt and 1-2 on average hunt - some days none on my gun lease. Don’t think I need to do any management on my does - if I kill a few bucks - I hav plenty of meat

On My small bow lease - it has lot more does - May need to take some out There - but prob will not


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Re: How many does? [Re: Buck slayer 15] #3272923
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Only kill bucks that are 4.5 or older and kill as many does as you do bucks. You won’t kill to many that way and keep the ratio balanced.


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Re: How many does? [Re: Buck slayer 15] #3272928
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We try to kill mature bucks but don’t usually kill many in a season

Re: How many does? [Re: Buck slayer 15] #3272935
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Buck slayer I would suggest you contact your local District Office and schedule a site visit with a Biologist. There’s so much that goes into making recommendations on how many deer should or should not be taken on a particular property. There’s a lot of erroneous information in both of the threads you’ve asked about this. No one can answer your question without knowing the habitat you have to manage, what your restrictions are, current population and objectives for the property. Doe harvest is MORE important to overall herd health than buck harvest, so get a qualified opinion.

I work with properties in the same county, but on opposite sides, in completely different habitat. One property shoots a doe per 40-50 acres annually and can’t keep up. The other shoots 1-2 does per 500 acres annually. Anybody throwing numbers out there for you to kill is doing nothing but that, throwing out numbers.

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Your club members have probably read that balancing the herd promotes antler growth. They all probably think killing a bunch of does will make bucks grow 130 inches of antler because some douche wrote an article about it in a deer hunting magazine. Or, they may just want to kill deer every weekend. I can tell you from 2 personal experiences on 2 large properties in Macon and tallapoosa counties that killing too many is a bad bad bad idea. The whole having a 1:1 bucks to doe ratio makes the rut more intense is a crockpot of steaming turds.

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Buck to doe ratio plays out a little different than how we have it cleanly defined in our heads as a constant number for one given property…….It plays out more as the buck to hot doe ratio……and that changes every 24 hrs once the rut starts and the first doe goes hot....It may be a little different from spot to spot just depending on how the bucks start shuffling around when the does go to popping off……Buck to hot doe ratio begins to be something that’s happening on a landscape scale though and not just on a microlevel....Bucks start moving and searching and evening out the ratio on the landscape as they sort things out.....I like having a pile of does on my place when all that starts happening

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Thanks for answers gonna try to stop these people from thinking they have to shoot does every weekend.

Re: How many does? [Re: Buck slayer 15] #3273253
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I we want to have the very best buck to doe ratio for the rut on a landscape scale then we should make our gun season Feb 1-10 or something of that nature.....as post rut as possible

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Re: How many does? [Re: Buck slayer 15] #3273263
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My son and I, always try and kill twice as doe as bucks. Just 2 of us, so we might kill 4 doe. We try and do this in bow season.

Re: How many does? [Re: Buck slayer 15] #3273415
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I guess the people who shoot a bunch of does enjoy not seeing anything when they go.

Re: How many does? [Re: Mbrock] #3273541
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Originally Posted by Mbrock
Buck slayer I would suggest you contact your local District Office and schedule a site visit with a Biologist. There’s so much that goes into making recommendations on how many deer should or should not be taken on a particular property. There’s a lot of erroneous information in both of the threads you’ve asked about this. No one can answer your question without knowing the habitat you have to manage, what your restrictions are, current population and objectives for the property. Doe harvest is MORE important to overall herd health than buck harvest, so get a qualified opinion.

I work with properties in the same county, but on opposite sides, in completely different habitat. One property shoots a doe per 40-50 acres annually and can’t keep up. The other shoots 1-2 does per 500 acres annually. Anybody throwing numbers out there for you to kill is doing nothing but that, throwing out numbers.


We’ve killed 2 does inn7 years Matt. Not 1-2 per year 😂😂😂

Take Matt’s advice. I’m speaking from experience

Re: How many does? [Re: Buck slayer 15] #3274411
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Curious as to your informed thoughts on when you actually NEED to shoot does? I’ve had one biologist tell me that you should or need to when productivity (I think he said # of fetuses/doe) declines. Not sure that’s something many of us can gauge. Seems like that would also be seen with weight and antler declines over several years.

I usually give them a break as I like to see them and figure coyotes and neighbors get enough of them as it is.

Re: How many does? [Re: Buck slayer 15] #3274437
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I would think the most important thing would be the productivity of the habitat.....Is it declining?


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Re: How many does? [Re: Buck slayer 15] #3274438
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One club I was in years ago was timber company land and they required a certain amount of doe jaw bones for management practices every year. Does timber company land still do this. Like I said in the other doe thread I think it depends on the property.

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