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6 Point Gene #3254379
11/02/20 06:08 AM
11/02/20 06:08 AM
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Tree Dweller Offline OP
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I see several suspected under achievers on Cam.
I've also seen 6 pointers that will knock your eyes out @ 4-5 yrs.
How do you handle this on your place ?

Re: 6 Point Gene [Re: Tree Dweller] #3254382
11/02/20 06:17 AM
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Prattville Al.
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Shoot what you want to shoot and let walk what you want to walk, different strokes for different folks. Do what's best for your hunting situation.

Re: 6 Point Gene [Re: Tree Dweller] #3254388
11/02/20 06:30 AM
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Old Mossy Horns
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dont care how many points one has, once he gets 5 or so yrs on him he is what I am after

Re: 6 Point Gene [Re: Tree Dweller] #3254415
11/02/20 07:37 AM
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Shoot whatever you like, our rule is you have to like it enough to mount it.


If you're gonna be stupid you better be tough.
Re: 6 Point Gene [Re: Tree Dweller] #3254478
11/02/20 08:48 AM
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Right behind you
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We shoot age, regardless of antlers. You will not remove any genetic trait by selectively removing deer with that trait. You’re only removing an individual. If a deer can only grow 4-6 points then I’m gonna let him grow 4-6 points and kill him when he’s mature.

Re: 6 Point Gene [Re: Mbrock] #3254527
11/02/20 10:03 AM
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Originally Posted by Mbrock
We shoot age, regardless of antlers. You will not remove any genetic trait by selectively removing deer with that trait. You’re only removing an individual. If a deer can only grow 4-6 points then I’m gonna let him grow 4-6 points and kill him when he’s mature.


Thank you!!!

Re: 6 Point Gene [Re: Tree Dweller] #3254562
11/02/20 10:28 AM
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Georgia
Your only solution is kill every deer within about 10 square miles and restock the area with new genes. So, what I mean is you have no solution. The does are carrying those genes just as much as the bucks.

Re: 6 Point Gene [Re: Mbrock] #3254586
11/02/20 11:15 AM
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Round ‘bout there
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Originally Posted by Mbrock
You will not remove any genetic trait by selectively removing deer with that trait. You’re only removing an individual.


Straight truth, and ignored or disbelieved by so many.


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Re: 6 Point Gene [Re: Tree Dweller] #3254590
11/02/20 11:25 AM
11/02/20 11:25 AM
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Clanton, AL
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Re: 6 Point Gene [Re: Tree Dweller] #3254598
11/02/20 11:31 AM
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Clanton
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I’ll shoot him for you Mark


Would walk over a naked woman to get to a gobblin turkey!
Re: 6 Point Gene [Re: Tree Dweller] #3254599
11/02/20 11:32 AM
11/02/20 11:32 AM
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Butler Co
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4 point
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Bingo. These guys nailed it. Culling doesn’t work to improve antler size. It’s only removing a mouth. Many intensive studies have proven this. Does can pass 50%+ of genetic potential to offspring. So there’s no way to know who’s carrying what. Personally I think big ol six points are kinda cool

Re: 6 Point Gene [Re: Tree Dweller] #3254600
11/02/20 11:33 AM
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Me and my dogs helped find a 6pt this weekend that I think will go well over 20 inch spread. It was a giant deer especially for tva land

Re: 6 Point Gene [Re: Turkey_neck] #3254611
11/02/20 11:43 AM
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Clanton, AL
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Originally Posted by Turkey_neck
I’ll shoot him for you Mark

He's not alone. We seem to have a prolific 6pt trait. But I'm not complaining.


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Re: 6 Point Gene [Re: Tree Dweller] #3254613
11/02/20 11:47 AM
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I was in a club outside of Troy, Alabama for several years that was covered up with 6 points. We had very few bucks that weren't 6 points and the ones that were 8's and 10's would always get shot as two and three year olds. I enjoyed the numbers of deer that place had, but hunting 6 pointers all the time got old, along with the three hour drive..

Re: 6 Point Gene [Re: Tree Dweller] #3254615
11/02/20 11:50 AM
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Let em grow and see what happens. Had a 5 year old big 6 turn into a monster 8 point this year. Glad I never caught up with him last year. You wouldn't have expected such a dramatic change considering his age, but it happens

Re: 6 Point Gene [Re: dirkdaddy] #3254644
11/02/20 12:29 PM
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Originally Posted by dirkdaddy
Let em grow and see what happens. Had a 5 year old big 6 turn into a monster 8 point this year. Glad I never caught up with him last year. You wouldn't have expected such a dramatic change considering his age, but it happens

Are you sure it's the same deer?


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Re: 6 Point Gene [Re: Tree Dweller] #3254648
11/02/20 12:31 PM
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Clanton, AL
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I killed a 4pt with 19" spread, a few years ago. I really don't care about points anyway.
A wide or tall rack is impressive and usually has some distinct character.


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Re: 6 Point Gene [Re: Tree Dweller] #3254656
11/02/20 12:45 PM
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Kill a 6yo three point many years ago


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Re: 6 Point Gene [Re: Out back] #3254663
11/02/20 12:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Out back
Originally Posted by dirkdaddy
Let em grow and see what happens. Had a 5 year old big 6 turn into a monster 8 point this year. Glad I never caught up with him last year. You wouldn't have expected such a dramatic change considering his age, but it happens

Are you sure it's the same deer?

As positive as I can be based on the evidence I have. I know he (the big 6) survived the season and looked strong in late February and March. All of the other bucks that could be this monster 8 point were killed, none of the other survivors I got on camera at the end of the season could grow into something like this. And there's no more monster 6 point on camera, so either the big 6 died an unexpected death in the off-season or he turned into this 8. Hes also got these kinda wide horns that are fairly unique. But I know I could be totally wrong as well.

This deer is all of 6 or 7 years old, he's got a huge body and neck already in early November.

Re: 6 Point Gene [Re: Tree Dweller] #3254751
11/02/20 02:46 PM
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Pelham, Alabama
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Originally Posted by Tree Dweller
I see several suspected under achievers on Cam.
I've also seen 6 pointers that will knock your eyes out @ 4-5 yrs.
How do you handle this on your place ?



Unfortunately, our management "strategy" is 8 points or more. We have one on cam that is an "underachiever" that was an 8 point as a 3 year old, failed to grow one brow tine as a 4 year old, and this year has one side deformed and stunted. So, he's a solid 5 years old, 200lbs + and not technically a shooter. If I see him, I'll bust his ass and pay the $100 fine.

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