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Re: New batf ruling...
[Re: ALMODUX]
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10/07/20 03:00 PM
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I’m for neutering the ATF completely, with regards to tax stamps, suppressors, and definitions/barrel lengths, etc. however, when looking at the Q design, the rubber piece on the end doesn’t seem to be what this is about. It’s the mechanism it’s attached to, which is NOT a typical pistol buffer and upper, at least in appearance....and is the same design their original, patented, RIFLE stock is attached to? Then again, maybe it’s under 26”, as well?
You have to remember: With any government agency, only so much nefariousness is possible within their low competency threshold. I'll have to take a harder look at it. I wasn't aware of their rifle. I do know that sugar weasel looks just like a million other AR pistols out there with an SB 3 brace. The BATFE is still "examining" it
There are two types of gun enthusiasts ... Those who have been F#CKED by PTG and those who will be!
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Re: New batf ruling...
[Re: ALMODUX]
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10/07/20 03:37 PM
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I’m for neutering the ATF completely, with regards to tax stamps, suppressors, and definitions/barrel lengths, etc. however, when looking at the Q design, the rubber piece on the end doesn’t seem to be what this is about. It’s the mechanism it’s attached to, which is NOT a typical pistol buffer and upper, at least in appearance....and is the same design their original, patented, RIFLE stock is attached to? Then again, maybe it’s under 26”, as well?
You have to remember: With any government agency, only so much nefariousness is possible within their low competency threshold. The brace on they QHB looks a lot like the SBPDW, which is a previously approved design. Different, but the same.
"You think I care? Roll Damn Tide"
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Re: New batf ruling...
[Re: CKyleC]
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10/07/20 04:49 PM
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My opinion is they should do away with the NFA all together. No reason any of this stuff should be illegal in America.
But it is... and I don't think y'all understand. The ATF makes the rules not the laws. They do whatever they want to do including issuing "rules" a.k.a. letters that say things like this direct quote: "to the extent this ruling may be inconsistent with any prior letter rulings, they are hereby superseded".
Yea. That's right. Simple as that. Just on a Wednesday before lunch.
They will do what they want to do when they want to do it and your 2A "rights" when it comes to potential NFA items are based solely on their interpretation of the rules as they see fit at that exact moment. Not 5 minutes before and not 5 minutes after. If they decide Pistol Braces are are in violation of the NFA, tomorrow, you will either register or turn your brace in. All they have to do is declare any magazine over 10 rounds a destructive device and you will turn them in. They can declare an AR-15 a destructive device and you will turn yours in.
Nothing has changed there in my lifetime. This is how this has always been. Do not mistake the recent leniency at the ATF as anything other than Temporary. You aren't going to argue with them. You aren't going to get around it. Very Dangerous. If Biden gets elected they will go after this stuff and you will wave to me while we are standing in line turning our 1/2 the stuff we own.
You aren't going to be able to do anything about it.
If you are getting butthurt over bump stocks or Honey Badgers, etc. That's great. You should be angry..... but I will add you have no forking clue how bad this could get and how quickly.
No government employees were harmed in the making of this mess.
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Re: New batf ruling...
[Re: Goatkiller]
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10/07/20 05:25 PM
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My opinion is they should do away with the NFA all together. No reason any of this stuff should be illegal in America.
But it is... and I don't think y'all understand. The ATF makes the rules not the laws. They do whatever they want to do including issuing "rules" a.k.a. letters that say things like this direct quote: "to the extent this ruling may be inconsistent with any prior letter rulings, they are hereby superseded".
Yea. That's right. Simple as that. Just on a Wednesday before lunch.
They will do what they want to do when they want to do it and your 2A "rights" when it comes to potential NFA items are based solely on their interpretation of the rules as they see fit at that exact moment. Not 5 minutes before and not 5 minutes after. If they decide Pistol Braces are are in violation of the NFA, tomorrow, you will either register or turn your brace in. All they have to do is declare any magazine over 10 rounds a destructive device and you will turn them in. They can declare an AR-15 a destructive device and you will turn yours in.
Nothing has changed there in my lifetime. This is how this has always been. Do not mistake the recent leniency at the ATF as anything other than Temporary. You aren't going to argue with them. You aren't going to get around it. Very Dangerous. If Biden gets elected they will go after this stuff and you will wave to me while we are standing in line turning our 1/2 the stuff we own.
You aren't going to be able to do anything about it.
If you are getting butthurt over bump stocks or Honey Badgers, etc. That's great. You should be angry..... but I will add you have no forking clue how bad this could get and how quickly.
If the ATF did some of the things you listed, I would consider them my ENEMY. An agency of unelected beaurocrats should not be allowed to write new mandates without the approval of lawmakers. Yes, it WILL get bad ugly very quickly and blood will be in the streets.
Dying ain't much of a living boy...Josey Wales
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Re: New batf ruling...
[Re: Goatkiller]
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10/07/20 06:45 PM
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gundoc
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...If you are getting butthurt over bump stocks or Honey Badgers, etc. That's great. You should be angry..... but I will add you have no forking clue how bad this could get and how quickly.
I do ... I see the slope in front of us and it appears to be covered with owl shucks You are right, in that none of it should be legal in the U.S.
There are two types of gun enthusiasts ... Those who have been F#CKED by PTG and those who will be!
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Re: New batf ruling...
[Re: gundoc]
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10/07/20 07:19 PM
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...If you are getting butthurt over bump stocks or Honey Badgers, etc. That's great. You should be angry..... but I will add you have no forking clue how bad this could get and how quickly.
I do ... I see the slope in front of us and it appears to be covered with owl shucks You are right, in that none of it should be legal in the U.S. Assume you mean "illegal".
"You think I care? Roll Damn Tide"
Have you tried Google?
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Re: New batf ruling...
[Re: hunterbuck]
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10/07/20 07:23 PM
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gundoc
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...If you are getting butthurt over bump stocks or Honey Badgers, etc. That's great. You should be angry..... but I will add you have no forking clue how bad this could get and how quickly.
I do ... I see the slope in front of us and it appears to be covered with owl shucks You are right, in that none of it should be legal in the U.S. Assume you mean "illegal". Yeah, well kinda. I was saying the NFA or gun laws in general restricting the sale or possession of firearms should not be legal. As in they are unconstitutional and should all be repealed and the BATF dissolved...or at least renamed BAT and drop the "F"
There are two types of gun enthusiasts ... Those who have been F#CKED by PTG and those who will be!
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Re: New batf ruling...
[Re: CKyleC]
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10/08/20 08:45 AM
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The destructive device classification is what is so scary. They can literally classify anything as a destructive device and confiscate it magazines included.
They have done it before on many occasions. When they want something out in circulation like an AR-15... under a scenario when we have the next mass shooting Biden can instruct the BATF to declare all AR-15's a destructive device......and that's it. They will parade dead children's parents all over CNN calling for Gun Control, get Bill Clinton to tell everyone it's not a big deal he use to duck hunt back in Arkansas and everyone has the right to own a pump shotgun and there they go. And we are toast.
Situation normal though. Been like this my entire life. The difference today is I think the liberals have the balls to follow through with it whereas in the past they didn't have the support. Today I don't think they care. It would not surprise me if Biden didn't put Beto in charge of the BATF or at least have them report up to him.
No government employees were harmed in the making of this mess.
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Re: New batf ruling...
[Re: CKyleC]
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10/08/20 01:19 PM
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I tried to fill that letter out through the GOA website and it wouldn't work
EDIT: it didn't work when I tried it from my phone but did just now from a computer
Last edited by GomerPyle; 10/08/20 01:20 PM.
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Re: New batf ruling...
[Re: CKyleC]
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10/08/20 02:50 PM
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Re: New batf ruling... added follow up article
[Re: CKyleC]
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10/09/20 06:51 PM
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Last edited by CKyleC; 10/09/20 06:52 PM.
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Re: New batf ruling...
[Re: daylate]
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10/17/20 09:24 AM
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Any firearm or part can be considered a "destructive device". So can a knife, or a hammer, or a vehicle. They should give a better explanation and reason than that. There has to be more to this than meets the eye. Sounds political. IMO...it is political. Even the 60 day suspension. Why a 60 day suspension? Because we'll know who our leaders are at that point. That's why I said it's a kick the can down the road move.
"You think I care? Roll Damn Tide"
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