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Dove Baiting #3225316
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So I haven’t shot doves in awhile.

Here’s the scenario...... you have an old gravel pit that has ton of bare ground. Is spreading wheat illegal or legal?
Thanks.... figured some better at interpreting the law could chime in.
It could be scattered on hillside to prevent erosion?

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I would say not even close to being legal.

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Re: Dove Baiting [Re: Treelimb] #3225387
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If it’s disked up (prepared) you’ll have less of a chance of getting a ticket

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Originally Posted by ozarktroutbum
If it’s disked up (prepared) you’ll have less of a chance of getting a ticket

Right......the catch phrase is something like "normal agricultural practices". You probably need to at least pretend to prep the field for planting.


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Re: Dove Baiting [Re: Treelimb] #3225436
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It'd better be well prepared. You cant just scratch the gravel with a disk and toss out 200lb/acre of wheat. That's pretty much a guarnateed ticket if the GW happens to stop in for a visit.

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What I thought....thanks.

What about a waterhole?

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Originally Posted by Treelimb
What I thought....thanks.

What about a waterhole?


That’s not baiting

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You can absolutely shoot a waterhole or roost site all you want, you just cant put out wheat, sesame, cracked corn or any other kind of bait around it.

Now I did hear once of a group of younger guys rolling out some big strips of visqueen on a powerline near a bunch of thinned pines and covering it with cracked corn. Thursday afternoon rumor has it that they went out and rolled up the visqueen and what was left of the cracked corn, and then went in there on Saturday and burned up some barrels on birds. Just a rumor though and something I heard about years ago. rolleyes


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Originally Posted by abolt300
You can absolutely shoot a waterhole or roost site all you want, you just cant put out wheat, sesame, cracked corn or any other kind of bait around it.

Now I did hear once of a group of younger guys rolling out some big strips of visqueen on a powerline near a bunch of thinned pines and covering it with cracked corn. Thursday afternoon rumor has it that they went out and rolled up the visqueen and what was left of the cracked corn, and then went in there on Saturday and burned up some barrels on birds. Just a rumor though and something I heard about years ago. rolleyes


I've heard that this same principle works with kiddie pools and ducks on backwoods swamps.....but once again just rumors 😁

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Seriously I would ask the local GW......ask him to come look at it and let him tell you what you can get by with.

Re: Dove Baiting [Re: Treelimb] #3225546
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Used to love to shoot on Sat. with friends, and had some decent state youth hunts at Draper I took kids on when they were young.
I think I'll leave the gravel pit as it is..................get between waterhole and large thickets of roosting pines around it.
Take momma and let her shoot a few caps anyway. Always a few birds around the gravel.

I've heard that visqueen story before. Pretty ingenious.

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Originally Posted by Treelimb
Used to love to shoot on Sat. with friends, and had some decent state youth hunts at Draper I took kids on when they were young.
I think I'll leave the gravel pit as it is..................get between waterhole and large thickets of roosting pines around it.
Take momma and let her shoot a few caps anyway. Always a few birds around the gravel.

I've heard that visqueen story before. Pretty ingenious.


I can tell you with 100% certainty that it works and you can take that rumor as the gospel. Just dont ask me how I know. rofl

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It’s only a damn $50 ticket. We learned this opening weekend. Bait the hell out of it and burn a barrel down


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Re: Dove Baiting [Re: Treelimb] #3225709
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$50 ???.Really? Who’d a thunk it! Maybe I aughta??
Nah.....honey bunny might get a little made if Mr. Green Jeans writes her a citation

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Originally Posted by abolt300
You can absolutely shoot a waterhole or roost site all you want, you just cant put out wheat, sesame, cracked corn or any other kind of bait around it.

Now I did hear once of a group of younger guys rolling out some big strips of visqueen on a powerline near a bunch of thinned pines and covering it with cracked corn. Thursday afternoon rumor has it that they went out and rolled up the visqueen and what was left of the cracked corn, and then went in there on Saturday and burned up some barrels on birds. Just a rumor though and something I heard about years ago. rolleyes



caught some fellas up near Corner doing that 25 years ago.


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The above referenced incidents involving visqueen may or may not have taken place in south central Baldwin county 20-25 yrs ago.

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Originally Posted by 257wbymag
It’s only a damn $50 ticket. We learned this opening weekend. Bait the hell out of it and burn a barrel down


Almost all the good shoots I’ve been on in Alabama Have been on overly seeded fields

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Originally Posted by 257wbymag
It’s only a damn $50 ticket. We learned this opening weekend. Bait the hell out of it and burn a barrel down


Not if the federales get wind of it.

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a lot of times the federal charges are less than same charge in state court because feds do not charge court costs on top of fines.


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https://www.wlbt.com/story/39004520...ilty-to-hunting-doves-over-baited-field/

Says here $6,000 fine. Does the migratory bird treaty care what state your in?

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All I can say is it wasn’t $6k


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WnS, that's more along the lines of what I thought it would cost. Heck, if it's only $50 why even bother walking around and checking to make sure the field is legal before you hunt it. Just carry a couple extra 20's in your wallet in case the GW rolls up, bang away and enjoy yourself.

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Exactly. Of course they shut the field down then and said let it be for 10 days. But heck for$50 bang away again


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Court cost get you pretty good in Baldwin Co...

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And wasting half a day in court

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