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Re: Soa hunt question [Re: Hevishot13] #3225743
09/22/20 08:50 PM
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IDK, I’ve talked to a lot of guys that just don’t bother with it or don’t know about the SOA hunts.


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Re: Soa hunt question [Re: gatorbait154] #3226063
09/23/20 11:57 AM
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Originally Posted by gatorbait154
Originally Posted by Atoler
Just learned today that if you accept an alternate spot, it deletes all your preference points, even if you don’t end up getting drawn. What a crock of chit.

That’s crazy.

Wish i would not have read this, as i accepted the alternate at Stimpson. Probably will not be selected as a hunter, and i just dropped 9 preference points.


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Re: Soa hunt question [Re: tailgate] #3226081
09/23/20 12:27 PM
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Originally Posted by tailgate
Originally Posted by gatorbait154
Originally Posted by Atoler
Just learned today that if you accept an alternate spot, it deletes all your preference points, even if you don’t end up getting drawn. What a crock of chit.

That’s crazy.

Wish i would not have read this, as i accepted the alternate at Stimpson. Probably will not be selected as a hunter, and i just dropped 9 preference points.


Same here. I accepted as an alternate for a Cedar Creek hunt. I probably wouldn't have if I'd known I was gambling all my preference points.

Re: Soa hunt question [Re: Hevishot13] #3226091
09/23/20 12:51 PM
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Wait, so if you accept the "alternate" that is offered, you automatically lose all your points EVEN IF you don't get selected to hunt?

That's some f'ed-up BS right there.


Y'all are straight-up getting played for your money. Might as well just send a check to the Gump every year.


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Re: Soa hunt question [Re: Clem] #3226104
09/23/20 01:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Clem

Wait, so if you accept the "alternate" that is offered, you automatically lose all your points EVEN IF you don't get selected to hunt?

That's some f'ed-up BS right there.


Y'all are straight-up getting played for your money. Might as well just send a check to the Gump every year.


In my case, I'm not spending any more than normal. I hunt WMAs anyway so I would be buying that license regardless of SOA results.

Re: Soa hunt question [Re: tailgate] #3226130
09/23/20 02:09 PM
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Originally Posted by tailgate
Originally Posted by gatorbait154
Originally Posted by Atoler
Just learned today that if you accept an alternate spot, it deletes all your preference points, even if you don’t end up getting drawn. What a crock of chit.

That’s crazy.

Wish i would not have read this, as i accepted the alternate at Stimpson. Probably will not be selected as a hunter, and i just dropped 9 preference points.



Lucky for you. If my figuring is right. You actually have a better chance of being drawn with no points. That’s how coosa and others got drawn a bunch. They divide available spots up in to 2 pools, a big one and small one ( don’t remember the break down). The big one, is used for everyone with preference points to draw from, their name goes in to the hat however many times they have a point for. The small one (seems like 15% of spots) is drawn for from the applicants with no points. Well, after 4 years, it only stands to reason that a whole lot more people are in the pool that have preference points, than people who are applying for the first time, or hunted the year before. The system gets top heavy with unsuccessful applicants who have at least 1 pref point, and the number of new applicants dwindles making that 15% pool a lot better odds.

As I’ve said before, only in Alabama.

Re: Soa hunt question [Re: Hevishot13] #3226137
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Wait until they have a "random" drawing for "turkey tags" since the population is in grave danger.


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Re: Soa hunt question [Re: Hevishot13] #3226140
09/23/20 02:26 PM
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I don’t think my getting drawn so many times was due to not having preference points since they just started really doing think last year. I don’t know what was up with it, it was like the system just chose the same people year after year. One of the guys that worked one of the hunts I went on even said it wasn’t just me, that he saw the same groups of people year after year. Whatever glitch it was causing me to get drawn is fixed now....and I hate it lol

Re: Soa hunt question [Re: Coosa1] #3226145
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Originally Posted by Coosa1
I don’t think my getting drawn so many times was due to not having preference points since they just started really doing think last year. I don’t know what was up with it, it was like the system just chose the same people year after year. One of the guys that worked one of the hunts I went on even said it wasn’t just me, that he saw the same groups of people year after year. Whatever glitch it was causing me to get drawn is fixed now....and I hate it lol


They’ve been doing the points for 3 years. And the guy working the hunt is right, there are a lot of people who have drawn multiple times.



If the DNR employee who told me about the system was giving accurate info, then there is no way that pool reserved for no preference points doesn’t have better odds than the larger pool.

But no matter how it’s happening, it’s bull. They aren’t transparent at all about how the drawing works, and there should never be a possibility of people drawing nearly every year, while 9/10 applicants have never drawn. Every other state I’ve hunted with a draw is very simple. You need a certain amount of points to ensure you get drawn. If you apply, no one with less points will draw ahead of you. In Georgia it was nice, the wma I liked to hunt was a 2-3 year wait. On the 3rd year, I would get drawn and could plan for it ahead of time. If I wanted to go somewhere sooner, I could apply for a less desirable hunt with 1 point and draw. Or if I wanted to be real patient, I could wait 7 or 8 years and draw one that was awesome. But it was all above board. None of this back room chit, that has you two weeks from deer season with no unit assignments or a scouting day announced.

Re: Soa hunt question [Re: 87v6bird] #3226165
09/23/20 03:02 PM
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Originally Posted by 87v6bird
Originally Posted by Clem

Wait, so if you accept the "alternate" that is offered, you automatically lose all your points EVEN IF you don't get selected to hunt?

That's some f'ed-up BS right there.


Y'all are straight-up getting played for your money. Might as well just send a check to the Gump every year.


In my case, I'm not spending any more than normal. I hunt WMAs anyway so I would be buying that license regardless of SOA results.



You don't even have to purchase the WMA license until after you find out whether or not you've been selected.

Re: Soa hunt question [Re: Atoler] #3226178
09/23/20 03:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Atoler
Originally Posted by Coosa1
I don’t think my getting drawn so many times was due to not having preference points since they just started really doing think last year. I don’t know what was up with it, it was like the system just chose the same people year after year. One of the guys that worked one of the hunts I went on even said it wasn’t just me, that he saw the same groups of people year after year. Whatever glitch it was causing me to get drawn is fixed now....and I hate it lol


They’ve been doing the points for 3 years. And the guy working the hunt is right, there are a lot of people who have drawn multiple times.



If the DNR employee who told me about the system was giving accurate info, then there is no way that pool reserved for no preference points doesn’t have better odds than the larger pool.

But no matter how it’s happening, it’s bull. They aren’t transparent at all about how the drawing works, and there should never be a possibility of people drawing nearly every year, while 9/10 applicants have never drawn. Every other state I’ve hunted with a draw is very simple. You need a certain amount of points to ensure you get drawn. If you apply, no one with less points will draw ahead of you. In Georgia it was nice, the wma I liked to hunt was a 2-3 year wait. On the 3rd year, I would get drawn and could plan for it ahead of time. If I wanted to go somewhere sooner, I could apply for a less desirable hunt with 1 point and draw. Or if I wanted to be real patient, I could wait 7 or 8 years and draw one that was awesome. But it was all above board. None of this back room chit, that has you two weeks from deer season with no unit assignments or a scouting day announced.


This, yes. Yes, a million times yes.

I've looked at draws in other states. While I haven't applied, I've examined and looked in case I wanted to. And it's pretty straightforward. Apply, earn a point, maybe in 3-4-7 or more years depending on the unit and animal, you get drawn. Then you start over. And you can plan for it, by knowing there will be no backroom or questionable BS and after x years you'll get drawn with 4 or 7 or 15 points.

And yet here we are with a questionable draw system, BS regulations about "game check" in which processors are now agents of the state, a phone app that may work - perhaps, maybe, sorta, possibly - and we're less than 10 days from the start of deer season.


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