This is getting a little side tracked but I tend to do that.......I'll bring us back around full circle eventually........

Looks like the guys at the Management Advantage are starting to experiment with some “do nothing” practices. I like the seed mix their promoting in this video. If the price is reasonable then this is not a bad way to go for someone planting a few acres instead of having to buy all the components of the mix separately. What they’re talking about doing in the video is basically the same exact thing that I do in the spring. A “do nothing” approach is not just about a planting method….


Sometimes the best thing you can do is……well…..nothing.

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There again.... It’s not the product your selling, it’s YOU being the salesman, that the problem. You continue to act like you created this type of way to plant, your the alpha omega of no till plots, but at the end of the day, is plain Jane common sense.... it’s not complicated at all, and it works, and works great in Certain places. But it’s not always the best choice or the right choice. And I’m sure you’ve prob helped someone out here that never had even heard of this method, and that’s good. But damn if you don’t act like a prick ass, only child that got everything handed to you, my way or no way, sob sometimes. And when you talk to us farmers that have to deal with soil, grass and weeds for a living and try to act like you know what’s good for our ground and soil, that’s when your wrong.... Nothing but spider Will ever prefer dog fennel over a edible grass. Just remember that

That's good then.....spiders are predators of the insect world and help control other insect populations. There's a word I haven't used in awhile that's fitting.....and it's not "dumbass" although that would work well too......it's holistic

Good Lord... now Will Primos wouldn't be trying to sell you something now would he?

What's he getting $18? per 15lb. Might be just a little profit in that.

You decide to come back for more?....I don't think they were selling anything in that video that I recall.....just explaining how you can throw out seed and cover it with thatch without having to disk.....Almost fail proof Brad said.....You think they'll be planting more fields like that in the future?

So since you’re trying to twist things around again….let me say that I’ve never had a problem with folks selling stuff. I believe in the free market and letting the market bear its fruits like I explained in another thread last night. I do have a couple problems with how some of it is done though. One is what I just got through explaining in my past few posts about how the “truth” that comes from some folks always has to be blurred in order to run through their sponsors product lines…..The other problem I have…..and this is really the biggest one…..is how some folks just flat out knowingly lie to the public. As times are changing some products are becoming obsolete. Some of the folks selling these products are knowingly lying to the public about the newer ways of doing things and purposely trying to keep them in the dark. Its one thing to sell your product in an honest way….It’s quite another to do it a shady manner that tries to shield folks from and discredit the truth.

What is your experience with no till and hogs? Are hogs worse on a no till field?

I really don't have enough experience dealing with them to be able to answer that. I don't see why they would though. I'd probably avoid things like turnips and stick to cereal grains and clovers

I posted this quote in another thread but I’m gonna repost it and talk more about it. It’s a very good thought provoking quote made by one of the titans of the early hunting industry. I encourage everyone to spend some time thinking about what he is saying …….

“The last word in ignorance is the man who says of an animal or plant, "What good is it?" If the land mechanism as a whole is good, then every part is good, whether we understand it or not. If the biota, in the course of aeons, has built something we like but do not understand, then who but a fool would discard seemingly useless parts? To keep every cog and wheel is the first precaution of intelligent tinkering.”

--- Aldo Leopold

I’ll use dog fennel as my example since everyone seems to refer to it so much. Look at how many folks “hate” dog fennel and curse it for having no use…..However, how much do we really know about the plant and its place in the larger ecosystem. Why do folks hate it so much?.....Do they even know or is it "just because",...... Everything about a healthy flourishing food plot during the summer months does not simply revolve around stuff the deer will eat. It’s the soil after all that’ s the foundation for producing those forage species and something has to take care of it. Might dog fennel be a keystone specie in the management of the soil? I for one believe it probably is……More on that to come…..

CNC - just put yourself into Time Out for a while. You just made 3 posts arguing with yourself. This is developing into an unhealthy situation. You really do need to think about this and evaluate what your goals are and what you want to accomplish by being a member of these boards.

This is an extremely tough crowd on here to being with, and you will eat yourself shortly if you stick with whatever it is you are doing. There have been more than a few people go down in flames on here.

1 tree will make 1,000 matches but 1 match will destroy 1,000 trees. Think about that in terms of promoting an idea. Think about what you are saying and doing. I just can't believe this is the direction you really want to go.

Holee chit.

Where's a moderator when you need one to stop this chit again.

If you want to have a serious discussion then let's have one......Are you ok with fudging the truth to sell a product? What is it that you suggest I do when answering a question? Give a different opinion than what I know to be the truth? Ignore the science behind it? Would you ask the biologists to do the same? I'm asking for real honest answers here

I think you're being a little naïve at this point......If folks like Primos, QDMA, Grant Woods, Jeff Sturgis, etc.....are already promoting these practices......do you really think it matter anymore what I say on here? I mean I could walk away today and let you bury your head back in the sands here pretending that none of it is happening.....but its not gonna change a thing. At best it may buy you a smidgin of time. Why does my opinion matter so much to you anyways? What is that you think I'm gonna burn down? Do you think this is gonna bring down a whole industry? No.....Sure it will change the way things look in the future but the real entrepaneurs......(damn how do spell that? I can't even get close enough for spell check to help me! :D) ........but the real entrapaneurs will see new opportunities and the market will bear new fruits......Those folks who keep their heads stuck in the sand will be like Blockbuster Video.

I don't want to discuss growing weeds at all, but apparently you can't get enough of it.

Then don't......Don't click on the thread.....How hard is that?

Gostkiller.......Did you know that the other thread that got locked has been viewed another 75,000 times just since it was shut down? I say that just to point out how naive and senseless it is to continue to harass every post I make.

But its so much fun to poke you.

I appreciate the info in this and the old post. We have limited implements and live about 1.5hrs from our property but we’ve managed to plant 4 acres the last couple years with just a bush hog. And our plots grow great and the soils getting better. They aren’t lush perfectly manicured plots, but the deer eat the heck out of them and make for a target rich environment. Unfortunately the land owner had our plots bushogged about 2 weeks ago so I’m not sure our method will work as well this year with limited growth. We spread seed with a atv/ spreader then just mow over the top. We don’t even use roundup we just wait till normal growing seasons over and typically plant 1st weekend of November.

Adapt, improvise, and overcome……..If the thatch he laid down creates a mat by the time you get ready to plant then try to make you some kind of drag that’ll fluff it up and drag it over it after broadcasting the seed……Something like a square metal frame with mesh wire strapped to it maybe…..You’re just gonna fluff it up a little and agitate the seed down to the soil. It’ll still do fine. The part I kinda worry more about is if he just reset the growth of the summer veg before it seeded out and was ready to terminate. You may need to spray if so…..especially of there’s a lot of grass present. Step back where your done and see how much green is still left and you’ll know if you need to. If you had a tractor and disk I’d tell you to lightly disk over it to fluff up the thatch with the gangs turned out nearly straight....but if that’s not an option then go with the drag.

Edit.......You said you don't plant until November.....I let that slip my mind when typing the response. ....You should be fine without having to spray....Frost will have it all killed by then unless you've got a bunch of nutsedge or something.....