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Smallmouth/Spot Hybrid? #3180870
07/31/20 02:09 PM
07/31/20 02:09 PM
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Jackson Co.
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I caught this in a creek that has smallmouth, spotted, largemouth, and redeye bass, so hybridization is inevitable. To me it appears to have characteristics of both a spot and smallmouth, but not full characteristics of either one. The lines on the bottom half of the fish is a characteristic a spot would have and not a smallmouth, as far as I know. Basically, the rest of the fish looks like a smallmouth.
What say you?

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Re: Smallmouth/Spot Hybrid? [Re: JBL] #3180874
07/31/20 02:13 PM
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If he's got spot genes in him, he'll have a rough little patch of teeth on the back of his tongue. Looks to me like what we always used to refer to as a kentucky redeye when we used to creek fish a bunch.

Re: Smallmouth/Spot Hybrid? [Re: JBL] #3180912
07/31/20 03:02 PM
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Looks like a Meanmouth

Re: Smallmouth/Spot Hybrid? [Re: JBL] #3180932
07/31/20 03:37 PM
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It's more likely a Coosa Bass (redeye) X Alabama Bass hybrid. There could be some smallmouth bass in there too. Shoot me a message, I just finished up a genetic study on a creek with all the above mentioned.


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Re: Smallmouth/Spot Hybrid? [Re: JBL] #3181013
07/31/20 05:56 PM
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Don't know about the fish, but I am going with Angus cross on the pile of crap. Whatever the fish is, it is colored up nicely. Appears blue on the bottom side.

Re: Smallmouth/Spot Hybrid? [Re: JBL] #3181064
07/31/20 07:02 PM
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Rock bass maybe

Re: Smallmouth/Spot Hybrid? [Re: JBL] #3181068
07/31/20 07:07 PM
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blount county alabama
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What the crap is that hanging out of its mouth?

Re: Smallmouth/Spot Hybrid? [Re: AU_trout_bum] #3181211
07/31/20 09:39 PM
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Originally Posted by AU_trout_bum
It's more likely a Coosa Bass (redeye) X Alabama Bass hybrid. There could be some smallmouth bass in there too. Shoot me a message, I just finished up a genetic study on a creek with all the above mentioned.

I sent you a pm

Re: Smallmouth/Spot Hybrid? [Re: Ryano] #3181215
07/31/20 09:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Ryano
Don't know about the fish, but I am going with Angus cross on the pile of crap. Whatever the fish is, it is colored up nicely. Appears blue on the bottom side.

haha, believe it or not that's actually rotted moss. It does look just like cow crap and I thought that myself when looking at the pic after I took it.

Re: Smallmouth/Spot Hybrid? [Re: jwalker77] #3181216
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Originally Posted by jwalker77
What the crap is that hanging out of its mouth?

crawfish soft plastic

Re: Smallmouth/Spot Hybrid? [Re: JBL] #3181360
08/01/20 07:42 AM
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Originally Posted by JBL
Originally Posted by jwalker77
What the crap is that hanging out of its mouth?

crawfish soft plastic

Could you post a pic of it please? Im betting my boy would like to try them in the river here.

Re: Smallmouth/Spot Hybrid? [Re: AU_trout_bum] #3181426
08/01/20 09:45 AM
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Sylacauga, AL
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Originally Posted by AU_trout_bum
It's more likely a Coosa Bass (redeye) X Alabama Bass hybrid. There could be some smallmouth bass in there too. Shoot me a message, I just finished up a genetic study on a creek with all the above mentioned.



I am gonna agree with the trout bum. Since he studies bass for a living, it's pretty likely that he knows more than the rest of us put together on this subject.

But if I caught that fish, I would say that it is a red-eye and never think twice about it. It looks just like one to me.


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Re: Smallmouth/Spot Hybrid? [Re: JBL] #3181710
08/01/20 06:57 PM
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Very interesting. The mouth looks pretty big for a smallie but the rest looks spot on including the wide base of the tail. Smallie redeye mix is my guess. Don't think it has any spot in it.

Re: Smallmouth/Spot Hybrid? [Re: JBL] #3181942
08/02/20 06:55 AM
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Would have thought it was a redeye, also. (Tallapoosa)
Might have been a question (to me) about how wide and
seemingly, fat it is, though.


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Re: Smallmouth/Spot Hybrid? [Re: JBL] #3182496
08/02/20 08:28 PM
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I catch some really dark spots with a lot of yellow on the warrior river that look similar. I'd post a picture but I don't know how anymore


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Re: Smallmouth/Spot Hybrid? [Re: JBL] #3183991
08/04/20 05:56 PM
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He looks big enough to fry


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Re: Smallmouth/Spot Hybrid? [Re: JBL] #3189403
08/11/20 10:30 PM
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Don’t look anything like a smallmouth or spot to me. Looks like a red eye.

Re: Smallmouth/Spot Hybrid? [Re: Mbrock] #3189565
08/12/20 08:55 AM
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Originally Posted by Mbrock
Don’t look anything like a smallmouth or spot to me. Looks like a red eye.


You gotta look at a few thousand to pick up on the nuances. I will say that phenotype is proving to be VERY unreliable in identifying hybrids in black bass. It is sometimes obvious, but with backcrossing, etc., it gets pretty impossible without the use of genetics to confirm.


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Re: Smallmouth/Spot Hybrid? [Re: AU_trout_bum] #3189802
08/12/20 03:27 PM
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Originally Posted by AU_trout_bum
Originally Posted by Mbrock
Don’t look anything like a smallmouth or spot to me. Looks like a red eye.


You gotta look at a few thousand to pick up on the nuances. I will say that phenotype is proving to be VERY unreliable in identifying hybrids in black bass. It is sometimes obvious, but with backcrossing, etc., it gets pretty impossible without the use of genetics to confirm.



So what do you think about the lower fish in this photo?

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When I lifted him into the boat, I saw his belly and his orange fins and tail and told my fishing partner he was a nice red-eye. Then when I was unhooking him I saw the lines on the upper half of him and said I was wrong, that he was just a spot. And then when I started to clean him I decided his ancestry was uncertain. My amateurish opinion is that he is good candidate for a spot/red-eye cross. I put the spot, or Alabama bass, in the photo for contrast.

Last edited by poorcountrypreacher; 08/12/20 03:29 PM.

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Re: Smallmouth/Spot Hybrid? [Re: JBL] #3189818
08/12/20 04:00 PM
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I'd say you're probably right, PCP. It's hard to tell for sure without seeing some of the coloration, live. It's definitely got some Alabama bass in it.


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