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Re: Fanning/Reaping illegal in Alabama.
[Re: Atoler]
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08/14/20 01:07 PM
08/14/20 01:07 PM
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the turkey population is a lot of Alabama has been going down for 40 years due to habitat loss and predators, way before fanning or decoys became popular. Decoys run off as many or more turkeys than they attract.
Some areas that had low or no turkeys 40 years ago may of had increases, but I believe the net number is a loss across the state. But Fred, many on here will tell you the turkey populations are as strong as ever and there is no scientific research that says anything should change with regards to the season/rules/limits b/c of population. I personally think otherwise and have the very unpopular position that the 5 bird limit should be dropped to 3. And yes, I know that there's bad asses on here that hunt whenever they want and shoot whatever they want, so in that case the regulations shouldn't concern them anyways. You’re from florida? Riddle me this....... the state you live in has a 2 bird limit, why are they experiencing the same population decline ? I’ll wait for your answer.......... I don't keep up with hunting in Florida too much but if turkey populations are on the decline, does that mean we should just WTF it and blast away?? Just b/c there are other factors affecting population decline besides hunting(predation, human sprawl into habitat, etc), doesn't mean you just shouldn't do anything. The fact that you admit there is population decline is justification enough for me for lower limits. FL doesn't have near the population of turkey as Alabama, probably 1/5 the number nor does it have the same amount of turkey habitat - not to mention the majority are a completely different breed of turkey than what AL has. Also, FL has 4 times the population of people as AL in general - way more human sprawl into what turkey habitat there is or was. So yeah, I get it, hunting is just one factor, doesn't mean you just say F it.
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Re: Fanning/Reaping illegal in Alabama.
[Re: hallb]
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08/14/20 06:54 PM
08/14/20 06:54 PM
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Atoler
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the turkey population is a lot of Alabama has been going down for 40 years due to habitat loss and predators, way before fanning or decoys became popular. Decoys run off as many or more turkeys than they attract.
Some areas that had low or no turkeys 40 years ago may of had increases, but I believe the net number is a loss across the state. But Fred, many on here will tell you the turkey populations are as strong as ever and there is no scientific research that says anything should change with regards to the season/rules/limits b/c of population. I personally think otherwise and have the very unpopular position that the 5 bird limit should be dropped to 3. And yes, I know that there's bad asses on here that hunt whenever they want and shoot whatever they want, so in that case the regulations shouldn't concern them anyways. You’re from florida? Riddle me this....... the state you live in has a 2 bird limit, why are they experiencing the same population decline ? I’ll wait for your answer.......... I don't keep up with hunting in Florida too much but if turkey populations are on the decline, does that mean we should just WTF it and blast away?? Just b/c there are other factors affecting population decline besides hunting(predation, human sprawl into habitat, etc), doesn't mean you just shouldn't do anything. The fact that you admit there is population decline is justification enough for me for lower limits. FL doesn't have near the population of turkey as Alabama, probably 1/5 the number nor does it have the same amount of turkey habitat - not to mention the majority are a completely different breed of turkey than what AL has. Also, FL has 4 times the population of people as AL in general - way more human sprawl into what turkey habitat there is or was. So yeah, I get it, hunting is just one factor, doesn't mean you just say F it. It’s a belief of mine, as well as many others, that spring gobbler harvest has no correlation to population trends. Nest success controls that. Contrary to your opinion, I believe there to be positive impacts of a higher limit. Those would be a greater motivation for landowners and hunters to manage habitat, trap predators, and spotlight turkeys as an animal that people are concerned about. There are tons of states experiencing a decline, their limit and season structures vary from 1 bird and a couple of weeks, to Alabama’s liberal limits. If hunter harvest had an affect, why are those states not seeing a positive impact? If someone wants to produce some research supporting gobbler harvest having a negative impact on populations I’ll listen. Until then, I won’t advocate to change a system that has been wildly successful for 60 years, simply because people like you start throwing darts hoping something works.
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Re: Fanning/Reaping illegal in Alabama.
[Re: Atoler]
#3193235
08/17/20 09:13 AM
08/17/20 09:13 AM
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Locust Fork, Alabama
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If someone wants to produce some research supporting gobbler harvest having a negative impact on populations I’ll listen. Until then, I won’t advocate to change a system that has been wildly successful for 60 years, simply because people like you start throwing darts hoping something works.
That’s the Chuckie way....... just like the deer pee thing.
"Some men are mere hunters; others are turkey hunters."
-- Archibald Rutledge
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Re: Fanning/Reaping illegal in Alabama.
[Re: BC]
#3195654
08/20/20 09:45 AM
08/20/20 09:45 AM
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South Baldwin
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South Baldwin
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[quote=BhamFred]the turkey population is a lot of Alabama has been going down for 40 years due to habitat loss and predators, way before fanning or decoys became popular. Decoys run off as many or more turkeys than they attract.
But Fred, many on here will tell you the turkey populations are as strong as ever and there is no scientific research that says anything should change with regards to the season/rules/limits b/c of population. I personally think otherwise and have the very unpopular position that the 5 bird limit should be dropped to 3. And yes, I know that there's bad asses on here that hunt whenever they want and shoot whatever they want, so in that case the regulations shouldn't concern them anyways.
You’re from florida? Riddle me this....... the state you live in has a 2 bird limit, why are they experiencing the same population decline ? I’ll wait for your answer.......... I don't keep up with hunting in Florida too much but if turkey populations are on the decline, does that mean we should just WTF it and blast away?? Just b/c there are other factors affecting population decline besides hunting(predation, human sprawl into habitat, etc), doesn't mean you just shouldn't do anything. The fact that you admit there is population decline is justification enough for me for lower limits. FL doesn't have near the population of turkey as Alabama, probably 1/5 the number nor does it have the same amount of turkey habitat - not to mention the majority are a completely different breed of turkey than what AL has. Also, FL has 4 times the population of people as AL in general - way more human sprawl into what turkey habitat there is or was. So yeah, I get it, hunting is just one factor, doesn't mean you just say F it. It’s a belief of mine, as well as many others, that spring gobbler harvest has no correlation to population trends. Nest success controls that. Contrary to your opinion, I believe there to be positive impacts of a higher limit. Those would be a greater motivation for landowners and hunters to manage habitat, trap predators, and spotlight turkeys as an animal that people are concerned about. There are tons of states experiencing a decline, their limit and season structures vary from 1 bird and a couple of weeks, to Alabama’s liberal limits. If hunter harvest had an affect, why are those states not seeing a positive impact? If someone wants to produce some research supporting gobbler harvest having a negative impact on populations I’ll listen. Until then, I won’t advocate to change a system that has been wildly successful for 60 years, simply because people like you start throwing darts hoping something works. All of this plus (correlating to higher limit) some of the most consistent hunting will always be on properties that harvest lots of birds...the old nasty birds are kept to a minimum and even a few birds from surrounding properties make short distance moves for the habitiat and hens there.
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Re: Fanning/Reaping illegal in Alabama.
[Re: GomerPyle]
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08/21/20 12:08 PM
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Here's a question.....if "manipulating" the fan by hand to "produce movement" is now illegal, does that mean they can write you up if you use a turkey wing to simulate a fly-down? This is starting to get absurd...
I'm really new to turkey hunting, was wondering the same thing?
The harder I practice, the luckier I get.
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Re: Fanning/Reaping illegal in Alabama.
[Re: gman]
#3196719
08/21/20 01:30 PM
08/21/20 01:30 PM
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Georgia and Missouri
Semo
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Here's a question.....if "manipulating" the fan by hand to "produce movement" is now illegal, does that mean they can write you up if you use a turkey wing to simulate a fly-down? This is starting to get absurd...
I'm really new to turkey hunting, was wondering the same thing? They should just make it illegal to have a fan in possession.
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Re: Fanning/Reaping illegal in Alabama.
[Re: Semo]
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08/21/20 05:08 PM
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Orion34
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Here's a question.....if "manipulating" the fan by hand to "produce movement" is now illegal, does that mean they can write you up if you use a turkey wing to simulate a fly-down? This is starting to get absurd...
I'm really new to turkey hunting, was wondering the same thing? They should just make it illegal to have a fan in possession. I hope you mean while hunting...
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Re: Fanning/Reaping illegal in Alabama.
[Re: Orion34]
#3196888
08/21/20 06:04 PM
08/21/20 06:04 PM
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Georgia and Missouri
Semo
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Georgia and Missouri
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Here's a question.....if "manipulating" the fan by hand to "produce movement" is now illegal, does that mean they can write you up if you use a turkey wing to simulate a fly-down? This is starting to get absurd...
I'm really new to turkey hunting, was wondering the same thing? They should just make it illegal to have a fan in possession. I hope you mean while hunting... yes. Only because it seems silly to outlaw having it in your hand but not in your pocket.
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Re: Fanning/Reaping illegal in Alabama.
[Re: Semo]
#3199366
08/24/20 03:32 PM
08/24/20 03:32 PM
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East Central Alabama
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East Central Alabama
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Here's a question.....if "manipulating" the fan by hand to "produce movement" is now illegal, does that mean they can write you up if you use a turkey wing to simulate a fly-down? This is starting to get absurd...
I'm really new to turkey hunting, was wondering the same thing? They should just make it illegal to have a fan in possession. unless you have a receipt showing you paid them $15 to be allowed to commit the crime .... right? Ain't that the new DCNR version of hunter ethics?
Last edited by Be_Cam; 08/24/20 03:33 PM.
A friend, the Bible and a banker will get you though about anything.
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Re: Fanning/Reaping illegal in Alabama.
[Re: Be_Cam]
#3199389
08/24/20 03:59 PM
08/24/20 03:59 PM
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Posts: 5,194
Georgia and Missouri
Semo
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Georgia and Missouri
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Here's a question.....if "manipulating" the fan by hand to "produce movement" is now illegal, does that mean they can write you up if you use a turkey wing to simulate a fly-down? This is starting to get absurd...
I'm really new to turkey hunting, was wondering the same thing? They should just make it illegal to have a fan in possession. unless you have a receipt showing you paid them $15 to be allowed to commit the crime .... right? Ain't that the new DCNR version of hunter ethics? No doubt there is a slippery slope there. I think a permit to fire off public roadways should be the next logical step. Only non-paved roads of course and only if the deer/turkey are within 100 yards of the center stripe.
Last edited by Semo; 08/24/20 04:00 PM.
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Re: Fanning/Reaping illegal in Alabama.
[Re: turkey247]
#3199482
08/24/20 05:26 PM
08/24/20 05:26 PM
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Posts: 36,172
alabama
BhamFred
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alabama
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Y’all still debating this? Read the reg. All decoys can be manipulated by hand, therefore ALL decoys are illegal. Period.
But you think they could get somebody to proof read the regulation wording. What a screw up. YOU go back and actually read the regulation as printed in official form. The damn turkey tail is NOT illegal as that reg is written, I don't care what Chuckie says.
I've spent most of the money I've made in my lifetime on hunting and fishing. The rest I just wasted.....
proud Cracker-Americaan
muslims are like coyotes, only good one is a dead one
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Re: Fanning/Reaping illegal in Alabama.
[Re: BhamFred]
#3199576
08/24/20 06:55 PM
08/24/20 06:55 PM
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turkey247
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Y’all still debating this? Read the reg. All decoys can be manipulated by hand, therefore ALL decoys are illegal. Period.
But you think they could get somebody to proof read the regulation wording. What a screw up. YOU go back and actually read the regulation as printed in official form. The damn turkey tail is NOT illegal as that reg is written, I don't care what Chuckie says. It says - to have in possession a decoy.....which can manipulated to produce movement. As part of the same sentence inside a regulation. How else can that be interpreted? I’m saying they un-intentionally made decoys unlawful with that. They needed some better wording to accomplish what they wanted. My point is - just make them legal or not, and not complicated.
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Re: Fanning/Reaping illegal in Alabama.
[Re: BC]
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08/25/20 09:44 AM
08/25/20 09:44 AM
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alabama
BhamFred
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Read the real reg.....not someones interpretation
illegal to possess a decoy that has mechanical or electrical parts which makes the decoy capable of movement this is the EXACT wording of the official reg. Tell me where that wording makes a tail illegal.
MECHANICAL OR ELECTRICAL PARTS^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
I've spent most of the money I've made in my lifetime on hunting and fishing. The rest I just wasted.....
proud Cracker-Americaan
muslims are like coyotes, only good one is a dead one
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Re: Fanning/Reaping illegal in Alabama.
[Re: BC]
#3200530
08/25/20 07:51 PM
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I messaged them and was told a fan on a stick stick in the ground was legal. I’m more interested in using a real wing for fly down which I’ve done for 30+ years.
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