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Re: Take the Time to Read This...
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TRUTH: Not every country has shut down their economy, and none of those countries have suffered higher rates of death because they have kept their economy going. One of the searches done prior to putting this together related to countries who kept their businesses open. One of the lowest mortality rates in the entire world is Japan, who fits that description. Looking for the country with the highest mortality rate and an open economy, we came across an article with a very liberal bent that described two Scandinavian countries. It described how uncaring Sweden was as it conducted business as usual while Denmark cared for its’ people and shut down. The expected mortality rate for Sweden was 69 per million whereas Denmark was 39 per million. If you take 69 and multiply it by 340 (for 340 million people in the United States) it comes out to 23,640, or about 15,000 fewer people than we are expected to lose to the flu this year.But then you realize we had about a thousands folks a day in one city for several days. Plus we're above the 23,640 mark using there arithmatic, almost double. Why did't they just say Sweden has 10X the number deaths as there neighbor who used mitigation. And there curve is still going up. Dang Goodman, did you fail 6th grade math? Sweden 69/MM, Denmark 39/MM. Sweden's death rate is 1.76923 times higher than Denmark's. And you say 10X higher than the neighboring county? Come on man, you of all people should know you're gonna get fact checked here on aldeer. You must have been using your CNN or MSNBC calculator when you did that math right???? Also to save our resident grammar checkers on here from having to post a correction, it is "their" not "there". It was an article from Business Insider, so it could be wrong, but it had something to do with population x per 100,000. But it could be fake news. Joe Major's. I stand by what I said. They give you the virus to produce antibodies, and I said if you got to much in the live virus vaccine you would become sick. I used this PRINCIPAL to explain the theory of why some had enough antibodies to not get sick again (coronavirus)while others who didn't produce enough antibodies seemed to get reinfected. It appears this is to complex for you to understand. They give folks a weakened mutated version of the virus (flu, live virus vaccine)so they don't get sick, that's the PRINCIPAL behind the way it works, and why I used it to explain what we was talking about. But like a child, you could only focus on a small portion of what was being discussed. That why you shouldn't interrupt when grown folks is talking.
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Re: Take the Time to Read This...
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And furthermore Joe, maybe you should explain why folks are getting the covid again since I failed too, or has Wikipedia not updated you on that yet?
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Re: Take the Time to Read This...
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It appears this is to complex for you to understand. Is Too vs to too complex for you to understand?
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Re: Take the Time to Read This...
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I used this PRINCIPAL to explain the theory of why some had enough antibodies to not get sick again (coronavirus)while others who didn't produce enough antibodies seemed to get reinfected.
...that's the PRINCIPAL behind the way it works, and why I used it to explain what we was talking about. But like a child, you could only focus on a small portion of what was being discussed. That why you shouldn't interrupt when grown folks is talking.
Are you referring to the PRINCIPAL of your former school? I'm confused...
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Re: Take the Time to Read This...
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Obviously you ain't able to debate on merit and just proved my comments about your childlike behavior.
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Re: Take the Time to Read This...
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Obviously you ain't able to debate on merit and just proved my comments about your childlike behavior. You said (twice) you were done debating in the other thread, so which is it? If you want to be taken seriously, don’t talk about how flu vaccines give you the flu. “Don’t y’all know how flu shots work?” Then spit out a bunch of bad information. Maybe you’re spot on in some areas, but you’re going to lose your audience when you start off with bad info.
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Re: Take the Time to Read This...
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Because if not you would get sick correct? So the principle is that its enough the virus to produce antibodies, but not get sick. The same principle I was explaining, I didn't say you got sick from the flu vaccine, I was explaining the PRINCIPLES. You don't understand the difference?
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Without agreeing or disagreeing with the point of this piece, my mind goes to motivation for writing it. I'm in MD offices every. single. working. day. MDs are, for the most part, still small business owners. Small business owners are almost universally seeing sharp declines in revenue. MDs generate revenue by treating patients. From my own personal anecdotal evidence, MD offices are seeing greatly reduced volume due to patient fears(which are most definitely being worsened by the media).. Greatly reduced volume results in greatly reduced revenue. Greatly reduced revenue hammers the universal pain point for anyone in business for themselves.
Given this information, I struggle to find enough credibility with the author of this piece. Pretty much any purely educational presentation I've ever professionally consumed has fleshed out any potential conflict of interest prior to presenting any information intended to be educational (which I believe was the intended perception of this article's purpose). Interestingly, I don't completely disagree with much of the information presented. However, I believe the primary motivation for writing this was not to educate the general public about how ridiculous the response to the virus is. I believe this was written as a means to put greater political pressure on the powers that be so that the providers involved with this would begin to see an uptick in revenue. I'm not opposed to this in that I want to see small business owner be very successful. However, I feel that this is aimed at manipulation of the general public simply for profit.
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Because if not you would get sick correct? So the principle is that its enough the virus to produce antibodies, but not get sick. The same principle I was explaining, I didn't say you got sick from the flu vaccine, I was explaining the PRINCIPLES. You don't understand the difference? You know how the live virus flu vaccines work? Same principal. If they wasn't exposed to enough, the body didn't have to produce as many antibodies. To much, and it over whelmed the body and you become sick from the vaccine. Same principal. How am I supposed to read this and not interpret it as getting the flu from the vaccine?!
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Re: Take the Time to Read This...
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I don't know joe, I guess it would help if you wasn't such a dumbazz. That bolded part probably explains why they weaken the virus, before they give it to you in the vaccine.
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Re: Take the Time to Read This...
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just here for the comments now
There is 2 different high fence. 1 small and one big! Mine was free range in the big pen and was not a breeder buck. Why does it have to be twisted around??
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Re: Take the Time to Read This...
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I don't know joe, I guess it would help if you wasn't such a dumbazz. That bolded part probably explains why they weaken the virus, before they give it to you in the vaccine. Speaking of childlike behavior.
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Because if not you would get sick correct? So the principle is that its enough the virus to produce antibodies, but not get sick. The same principle I was explaining, I didn't say you got sick from the flu vaccine, I was explaining the PRINCIPLES. You don't understand the difference? You know how the live virus flu vaccines work? Same principal. If they wasn't exposed to enough, the body didn't have to produce as many antibodies. To much, and it over whelmed the body and you become sick from the vaccine. Same principal. How am I supposed to read this and not interpret it as getting the flu from the vaccine?! It is pretty clear to me he was talking about live virus vaccines. not your common flu shot.
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I have a question about this. First of all the article pretty well goes along with everything I believe to be true about the wuhan flu. If the article has it right, why is our president and our governor going along with all thats happening? Ive said all along it dont all add up but I cant put my finger on whats going on exactly. If you look at what was going on between the us and china before all this started, the current situation with oil, and all this virus reaction, it just seems strange to me all this is happening at once. I just feel like theres something going on. I really think its bigger than one election too. But heck, what do I know.
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Because if not you would get sick correct? So the principle is that its enough the virus to produce antibodies, but not get sick. The same principle I was explaining, I didn't say you got sick from the flu vaccine, I was explaining the PRINCIPLES. You don't understand the difference? You know how the live virus flu vaccines work? Same principal. If they wasn't exposed to enough, the body didn't have to produce as many antibodies. To much, and it over whelmed the body and you become sick from the vaccine. Same principal. How am I supposed to read this and not interpret it as getting the flu from the vaccine?! It is pretty clear to me he was talking about live virus vaccines. not your common flu shot. Neither one can give you the flu.
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Because if not you would get sick correct? So the principle is that its enough the virus to produce antibodies, but not get sick. The same principle I was explaining, I didn't say you got sick from the flu vaccine, I was explaining the PRINCIPLES. You don't understand the difference? You know how the live virus flu vaccines work? Same principal. If they wasn't exposed to enough, the body didn't have to produce as many antibodies. To much, and it over whelmed the body and you become sick from the vaccine. Same principal. How am I supposed to read this and not interpret it as getting the flu from the vaccine?! It is pretty clear to me he was talking about live virus vaccines. not your common flu shot. Neither one can give you the flu. You should look into that more. They dont give the live vaccine to small children or those with a compromised immune system for a reason.
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Re: Take the Time to Read This...
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Congratulations Joe, you feel better now that you got that off your chest? I know you've been waiting all this time to say that. To bad no one was trying to argue that point with you. You might of even noticed that if you wasn't ROFL looking for Harvard commas, misspelled words and heaven forbid, a prepositional phrase out of place. Way to go Simple Joe.
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You should look into that more. They dont give the live vaccine to small children or those with a compromised immune system for a reason. Yeah, because of side effects. Not because they get the flu.
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