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Re: Where are the members [Re: perchjerker] #3099933
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Don't be a tool of those enemies of capitalism that want to kill America by shutting us down. If you are scared to get the virus, I understand, but please don't force the rest of us to live under the thumb of the sutocrats.


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Originally Posted by Geno
Covid deaths to date = 129,951
Flu deaths in a bad season, same time frame = 242,216

I'm here, just not very often.


Nice try, but that's fuzzy math. A normal flu season is normally at least 4 or 5 months, this thing only took in the US less than 6 wks ago, only time will tell what the totals will after 5 or 6 months. As soon as the restrictions are lifted there will be another wave, hopefully lower numbers.

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Originally Posted by ronfromramer
Originally Posted by Geno
Covid deaths to date = 129,951
Flu deaths in a bad season, same time frame = 242,216

I'm here, just not very often.


Nice try, but that's fuzzy math. A normal flu season is normally at least 4 or 5 months, this thing only took in the US less than 6 wks ago, only time will tell what the totals will after 5 or 6 months. As soon as the restrictions are lifted there will be another wave, hopefully lower numbers.

That’s one of the dumbest posts I’ve seen. We had our first case in January and most docs are now saying that it was here in Dec we just didn’t have the proof because we didn’t have the tests to prove it. It’s been here for 4 months. Mid December to mid April. 4!

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Originally Posted by abolt300
Originally Posted by ronfromramer
Originally Posted by Geno
Covid deaths to date = 129,951
Flu deaths in a bad season, same time frame = 242,216

I'm here, just not very often.


Nice try, but that's fuzzy math. A normal flu season is normally at least 4 or 5 months, this thing only took in the US less than 6 wks ago, only time will tell what the totals will after 5 or 6 months. As soon as the restrictions are lifted there will be another wave, hopefully lower numbers.

That’s one of the dumbest posts I’ve seen. We had our first case in January and most docs are now saying that it was here in Dec we just didn’t have the proof because we didn’t have the tests to prove it. It’s been here for 4 months. Mid December to mid April. 4!


Well pick a specific time frame then and compare the flu death numbers to the corona death numbers of the same time period - think that's a fair ask if you are going to throw those kinds of stats around. Where can you find the flu live, current flu stats like we have for corona?

Re: Where are the members [Re: perchjerker] #3099957
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We don’t have current stats because there are ton of positive cases that haven’t been diagnosed because they were told to stay home unless they had trouble breathing. Therefore the number they give us are wrong. If all was reported I dare say we wouldn’t even be hearing about it. It would be very similar to the flu I bet.

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Originally Posted by TickaTicka
Don't be a tool of those enemies of capitalism that want to kill America by shutting us down. If you are scared to get the virus, I understand, but please don't force the rest of us to live under the thumb of the sutocrats.



Exactly.

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"As the New York Times reported yesterday, Gotham’s Health Department abruptly added 3,700 victims to the COVID-19 death toll even though these decedents were not tested."

https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/the-problem-with-new-york-citys-covid-19-death-rate-estimates/

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/14/nyregion/new-york-coronavirus-deaths.html


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Originally Posted by abolt300
Originally Posted by ronfromramer
Originally Posted by Geno
Covid deaths to date = 129,951
Flu deaths in a bad season, same time frame = 242,216

I'm here, just not very often.


Nice try, but that's fuzzy math. A normal flu season is normally at least 4 or 5 months, this thing only took in the US less than 6 wks ago, only time will tell what the totals will after 5 or 6 months. As soon as the restrictions are lifted there will be another wave, hopefully lower numbers.

That’s one of the dumbest posts I’ve seen. We had our first case in January and most docs are now saying that it was here in Dec we just didn’t have the proof because we didn’t have the tests to prove it. It’s been here for 4 months. Mid December to mid April. 4!


Everyone is entitled to an opinion, even an unreasonable one. Going from first case to last case, flu season just about never ends.
This helps me understand confirmation bias

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Originally Posted by Geno
"As the New York Times reported yesterday, Gotham’s Health Department abruptly added 3,700 victims to the COVID-19 death toll even though these decedents were not tested."

https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/the-problem-with-new-york-citys-covid-19-death-rate-estimates/

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/14/nyregion/new-york-coronavirus-deaths.html

how many of those had gunshot wounds or were decapitated you reckon?


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Originally Posted by goodman_hunter
Originally Posted by Geno
"As the New York Times reported yesterday, Gotham’s Health Department abruptly added 3,700 victims to the COVID-19 death toll even though these decedents were not tested."

https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/the-problem-with-new-york-citys-covid-19-death-rate-estimates/

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/14/nyregion/new-york-coronavirus-deaths.html

how many of those had gunshot wounds or were decapitated you reckon?


Exactly. Or more likely - old age, copd, obesity, heart issues, etc.


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Originally Posted by Geno
Covid deaths to date = 129,951
Flu deaths in a bad season, same time frame = 242,216

I'm here, just not very often.

Most people that die from the flu live in very bad countries and are in poverty and can't get medical help. We have a vaccine for the flu and it is only around a lot for 3-4 months. There is no cure for Covid and there isn't a season for it, anyone can die for it. There have already been 27k+ deaths in the US and the first death we had was a little over a month ago.

Re: Where are the members [Re: ronfromramer] #3100015
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Originally Posted by ronfromramer
Originally Posted by abolt300
Originally Posted by ronfromramer
Originally Posted by Geno
Covid deaths to date = 129,951
Flu deaths in a bad season, same time frame = 242,216

I'm here, just not very often.


Nice try, but that's fuzzy math. A normal flu season is normally at least 4 or 5 months, this thing only took in the US less than 6 wks ago, only time will tell what the totals will after 5 or 6 months. As soon as the restrictions are lifted there will be another wave, hopefully lower numbers.

That’s one of the dumbest posts I’ve seen. We had our first case in January and most docs are now saying that it was here in Dec we just didn’t have the proof because we didn’t have the tests to prove it. It’s been here for 4 months. Mid December to mid April. 4!


Everyone is entitled to an opinion, even an unreasonable one. Going from first case to last case, flu season just about never ends.
This helps me understand confirmation bias

People’s lack of understanding of basic statistical analysis and comparisons made using statistical data, as well as comments lacking basic research or credibility with regard to documented facts, never ceases to amaze me. Geno is quoting worldwide stats. Are you denying that China did not have massive numbers of Covid deaths in the december timeframe or as many suspect, even before then? The only thing questionable in what Geno has presented is how much was China lying about the number of deaths and how much inflation is being baked into the US death totals. If you want to question that, then I’m 100% behind you. No offense, But saying that Covid has only been around worldwide for 6 weeks shows nothing but ignorance of the well published and well documented facts.

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Originally Posted by Bassfisher21
Originally Posted by Geno
Covid deaths to date = 129,951
Flu deaths in a bad season, same time frame = 242,216

I'm here, just not very often.

Most people that die from the flu live in very bad countries and are in poverty and can't get medical help. We have a vaccine for the flu and it is only around a lot for 3-4 months. There is no cure for Covid and there isn't a season for it, anyone can die for it. There have already been 27k+ deaths in the US and the first death we had was a little over a month ago.


Flu is diagnosed in every month of the year. 61 thousand people in the united states died from flu in the 2017-2018 season. The mortality rate ran above 10 percent for a significant portion of the 12 month season.

From the CDC - "Nationally, mortality attributed to P&I exceeded 10.0% for four consecutive weeks, peaking at 10.8% during the week ending January 20, 2018."

https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/2017-2018.htm


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Re: Where are the members [Re: abolt300] #3100034
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Originally Posted by abolt300


People’s lack of understanding of basic statistical analysis and comparisons made using statistical data, as well as comments lacking basic research or credibility with regard to documented facts, never ceases to amaze me. Geno is quoting worldwide stats. Are you denying that China did not have massive numbers of Covid deaths in the december timeframe or as many suspect, even before then? The only thing questionable in what Geno has presented is how much was China lying about the number of deaths and how much inflation is being baked into the US death totals. If you want to question that, then I’m 100% behind you. No offense, But saying that Covid has only been around worldwide for 6 weeks shows nothing but ignorance of the well published and well documented facts.

I think something else that is missing from the equation is that on Jan 1 in this country, the flu is already widespread and folks are already dieing, as opposed to covid. Also mitigation needs to be inputted as well. I'm not trying to say one is deadlier than the other, although i do think covid is more contagious.


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Originally Posted by Bassfisher21
We have a vaccine for the flu and it is only around a lot for 3-4 months. There is no cure for Covid


Do you realize what you posted there? The flu vaccine is not a cure either. The flu is constantly evolving and new vaccines have to be made. Also the flu never leaves. It can be contracted any time of the year. The rest of what you posted is nonsense with nothing to back it up.


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Originally Posted by Geno
Originally Posted by goodman_hunter
Originally Posted by Geno
"As the New York Times reported yesterday, Gotham’s Health Department abruptly added 3,700 victims to the COVID-19 death toll even though these decedents were not tested."

https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/the-problem-with-new-york-citys-covid-19-death-rate-estimates/

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/14/nyregion/new-york-coronavirus-deaths.html

how many of those had gunshot wounds or were decapitated you reckon?


Exactly. Or more likely - old age, copd, obesity, heart issues, etc.


Im pretty sure ole goodman was being facetious. I like you geno and im glad you returned but every single thing you listed there if you get covid can kill you and it should be listed as a covid death. just because your an old obese male who has copd as well as cardiovascular disease doesn't mean you will die in five days but if you have covid 19 your change of dying in five days is a high likelihood.


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Originally Posted by perchjerker
That saId this crap was fake news and over blown? Have any apologized for being an asshat?Maybe they will explain their acting like idiots to the families of 11,000 dead in New York alone. Of course it doubtful they will own up to it, but will they do it again with next public problem, or shut their mouths ? Just wondering.

I was at the VA yesterday. It too was like ghost town. Everything but essential appointments and emergency surgery has been shut down. I ask and a nurse said to expect it to be this way until the end of SUMMER ! I was kinda shocked. There is no way our economy can survive that long a halt on commerce or our families can remain unemployed. God Bless America

Nothing has changed....never said fake news but it damn well is being overblown! Hell New York added 3700 people to the COVID deaths yesterday that was never tested for it. Yes the virus is deadly but so are other viruses. Just because the Government is overreacting and killing our economy and the ability to provide for ourselves by killing jobs and businesses doesn’t make it any less overblown.
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Buncha idiots here. 20,000 cases in La alone. Would they all have to die for you morons to understand without these precautions your family could be in the same boat? Wake up, how else can these diseases be dealt with? SMDH

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Originally Posted by ronfromramer
Originally Posted by Geno
Covid deaths to date = 129,951
Flu deaths in a bad season, same time frame = 242,216

I'm here, just not very often.


Nice try, but that's fuzzy math. A normal flu season is normally at least 4 or 5 months, this thing only took in the US less than 6 wks ago, only time will tell what the totals will after 5 or 6 months. As soon as the restrictions are lifted there will be another wave, hopefully lower numbers.

If you really believe this virus only got here less than 6 weeks ago that’s part of your problem.....they didn’t start testing for it till about 6 weeks ago would be the appropriate statement


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Originally Posted by 87dixieboy
Originally Posted by Geno
Originally Posted by goodman_hunter
Originally Posted by Geno
"As the New York Times reported yesterday, Gotham’s Health Department abruptly added 3,700 victims to the COVID-19 death toll even though these decedents were not tested."

https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/the-problem-with-new-york-citys-covid-19-death-rate-estimates/

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/14/nyregion/new-york-coronavirus-deaths.html

how many of those had gunshot wounds or were decapitated you reckon?


Exactly. Or more likely - old age, copd, obesity, heart issues, etc.


Im pretty sure ole goodman was being facetious. I like you geno and im glad you returned but every single thing you listed there if you get covid can kill you and it should be listed as a covid death. just because your an old obese male who has copd as well as cardiovascular disease doesn't mean you will die in five days but if you have covid 19 your change of dying in five days is a high likelihood.


I'm sure he was too. grin

The point is still pretty serious - no testing was done and 3700 deaths were added to the US numbers in one day in one city alone. And if anyone is compromised in any way or over 60, I would strongly advise them to avoid this virus by any means necessary but I would not shut down the economy or the movement/business of healthy citizens. It's almost impossible to help others when we have reduced the place to ashes. We will have nothing left to work with.


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