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Re: The numbers were a tool [Re: bill] #3081397
03/26/20 10:43 PM
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Ain't no doubt that folks will need an economy to come back to. Waste of time if there isn't one. Kinda a catch 22. I figure , none of us would do any better a job if we were in charge. Lot different ,when your top dog, real easy to armchair QB, and the worldwide Intranet has created billions of armchair QBs , College coaching experts etc

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Re: The numbers were a tool [Re: bill] #3081400
03/26/20 10:55 PM
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Originally Posted by bill
Originally Posted by sgtred
And your point is? Do nothing. Do a little, it's all a conspiracy ?



I thought I've been very clear on my position but maybe I haven't. I advocate for rapid and accessible testing for all symptomatic people plus those at highest risk. No large gatherings,, such as sporting events . Ask those at highest risk to self quarantine for as long as the threat is significant. Basically, follow the South Korean model which has been highly effective. Do those things and get the country back to work and the economy back rolling , immediately. We went from 3 5% unemployment to 30% almost, overnight. We can't allow models and projections to destroy the economy and our way of life when the numbers don't support it. The model that started the hysteria has been proven wrong and the architect has adjusted the UK projected number of dead down from 500k to 20k. Why would anyone take them seriously, ever again? It's my belief that the virus is real, be it man made or not. It's also my belief that, as with the model I already mentioned, that numbers have been manipulated and fabricated to incite panic and further agendas. in my opinion, that's being proven out, right now.

This exactly

Re: The numbers were a tool [Re: bill] #3081410
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Viruses will always be around and there’s nothin we can do to stop them, I have enjoyed less people on the roads.

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Re: The numbers were a tool [Re: bill] #3081502
03/27/20 06:35 AM
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Another one of these....ok.

I know this event has created more experts in the field of epidemiology than will die of the coronavirus.

People are capable of doing something about drowning.
1. They can learn to swin
2. They can avoid water.

You do not have those options with an invisible virus that does not present symptoms until several days after infection occurs.
If the government acted on a single report or data point that says more about the government than it does about the people who create the models. You can read the imperial college report and should takeit for what it was, an idea of what could happen, not the gospel of what will happen. You found it on the internet, do not believe EVERYTHING you read on the internet.

If you aren't bother or scared by the virus I'm sure their are likemided people with whom you can trade and sell your good and services to. If you believe this is BS, then spend you quarantine time writing down the list of business that you will NOT do business with because they dont align with your principals.

Re: The numbers were a tool [Re: bill] #3081513
03/27/20 07:03 AM
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Personally, I think it's way to early to come to any kind of conclusion. Your dead if you're one of 20000 or 500000. So far I'm not and I hope to keep it that way. You stay the hell away from me and ill stay the hell away from you. At 73 I'm considered high risk of complications and I'd rather not test fate

Re: The numbers were a tool [Re: ] #3081559
03/27/20 08:02 AM
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Originally Posted by sgtred
I get you. Scientist and statisticians tend to overreact. Make judgements based on data. In my my opinion data alone never tells the whole story. Data driven decisions are based in one thing ,and never take into account the ramifications that the decisions made will have in other things. For every action ,there is a reaction. Sometimes it take years to see it. This was no different. Just your standard lurching back and forth that always happens. No such thing as a perfect world, perfect govt, or perfect people.



Statisticians didn’t over react to this. Or most didn’t. I would consider myself in this group. I made my predictions based on real data in other countries and what it did in the US the first 10-12 days. I’ve been saying for a week that we I’ll peak early next week in daily new cases. I still stand by that prediction. You are correct in data never tells the complete story. However if one uses the correct data set then one can make fairly accurate predictions.

Re: The numbers were a tool [Re: bill] #3081571
03/27/20 08:11 AM
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When you say we will peak early next week ,are you referring to the country as a whole.

Re: The numbers were a tool [Re: ] #3081583
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Originally Posted by sgtred
When you say we will peak early next week ,are you referring to the country as a whole.


Yes. The daily NEW cases is still increasing exponentially. Sometimes next week it will peak and start a downward trend.

Re: The numbers were a tool [Re: bill] #3081584
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ol bill was right again. To tell the truth i was on the verge of freaking out, until you started posting. Although i didnt agree, i considered the fact the you was probably right, which helped me relax, a little.


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Re: The numbers were a tool [Re: bill] #3081589
03/27/20 08:30 AM
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Still curious why everyone is talking about this in past tense

Re: The numbers were a tool [Re: joshm28] #3081590
03/27/20 08:31 AM
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Originally Posted by joshm28
Originally Posted by sgtred
When you say we will peak early next week ,are you referring to the country as a whole.


Yes. The daily NEW cases is still increasing exponentially. Sometimes next week it will peak and start a downward trend.

So in Alabama will it peak next week

Re: The numbers were a tool [Re: joshm28] #3081597
03/27/20 08:37 AM
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Originally Posted by joshm28
Originally Posted by sgtred
I get you. Scientist and statisticians tend to overreact. Make judgements based on data. In my my opinion data alone never tells the whole story. Data driven decisions are based in one thing ,and never take into account the ramifications that the decisions made will have in other things. For every action ,there is a reaction. Sometimes it take years to see it. This was no different. Just your standard lurching back and forth that always happens. No such thing as a perfect world, perfect govt, or perfect people.



Statisticians didn’t over react to this. Or most didn’t. I would consider myself in this group. I made my predictions based on real data in other countries and what it did in the US the first 10-12 days. I’ve been saying for a week that we I’ll peak early next week in daily new cases. I still stand by that prediction. You are correct in data never tells the complete story. However if one uses the correct data set then one can make fairly accurate predictions.



Serious question. How can you approximate a peak, and downtrend, without knowing when patient zero, occurred? We have no way of knowing the true origin date, in this country.


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Re: The numbers were a tool [Re: bill] #3081603
03/27/20 08:42 AM
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So I must ask, because I truly don't know. Based on the changing of the imperial college guys numbers and the numbers y'all think were more accurate all along, what would you do differently ,than what has been done.

Re: The numbers were a tool [Re: bill] #3081605
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Also, my understanding of these models ,they were based on if nothing is done.No mitigation, just let it ride.

Re: The numbers were a tool [Re: bill] #3081607
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Originally Posted by bill
Originally Posted by joshm28
Originally Posted by sgtred
I get you. Scientist and statisticians tend to overreact. Make judgements based on data. In my my opinion data alone never tells the whole story. Data driven decisions are based in one thing ,and never take into account the ramifications that the decisions made will have in other things. For every action ,there is a reaction. Sometimes it take years to see it. This was no different. Just your standard lurching back and forth that always happens. No such thing as a perfect world, perfect govt, or perfect people.



Statisticians didn’t over react to this. Or most didn’t. I would consider myself in this group. I made my predictions based on real data in other countries and what it did in the US the first 10-12 days. I’ve been saying for a week that we I’ll peak early next week in daily new cases. I still stand by that prediction. You are correct in data never tells the complete story. However if one uses the correct data set then one can make fairly accurate predictions.



Serious question. How can you approximate a peak, and downtrend, without knowing when patient zero, occurred? We have no way of knowing the true origin date, in this country.


I ran the numbers based on a known number of 150 confirmed cases (by country) it’s definitely not perfect but when you look at each countries numbers it shows a definitive trend of 22-25 days to peak of new cases. Plot everything on a logarithmic graph and it shows the virus is slowing down as far as new cases per day, in both the global numbers and individual country numbers.

It’s an educated guess but the trends don’t lie. The outbreak hit different countries at different times so there’s plenty of data out there to base this on. Look at the logarithmic graphs for each country and you will see what I’m talking about

Re: The numbers were a tool [Re: joshm28] #3081611
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Originally Posted by joshm28
Originally Posted by bill
Originally Posted by joshm28
Originally Posted by sgtred
I get you. Scientist and statisticians tend to overreact. Make judgements based on data. In my my opinion data alone never tells the whole story. Data driven decisions are based in one thing ,and never take into account the ramifications that the decisions made will have in other things. For every action ,there is a reaction. Sometimes it take years to see it. This was no different. Just your standard lurching back and forth that always happens. No such thing as a perfect world, perfect govt, or perfect people.



Statisticians didn’t over react to this. Or most didn’t. I would consider myself in this group. I made my predictions based on real data in other countries and what it did in the US the first 10-12 days. I’ve been saying for a week that we I’ll peak early next week in daily new cases. I still stand by that prediction. You are correct in data never tells the complete story. However if one uses the correct data set then one can make fairly accurate predictions.



Serious question. How can you approximate a peak, and downtrend, without knowing when patient zero, occurred? We have no way of knowing the true origin date, in this country.


I ran the numbers based on a known number of 150 confirmed cases (by country) it’s definitely not perfect but when you look at each countries numbers it shows a definitive trend of 22-25 days to peak of new cases. Plot everything on a logarithmic graph and it shows the virus is slowing down as far as new cases per day, in both the global numbers and individual country numbers.

It’s an educated guess but the trends don’t lie. The outbreak hit different countries at different times so there’s plenty of data out there to base this on. Look at the logarithmic graphs for each country and you will see what I’m talking about



Thanks.


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Re: The numbers were a tool [Re: bill] #3081669
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I believe it was in this country well before anyone knew it. I believe it was in Alabama well before anyone sounded the alarm. It has a 7-12 day incubation period. We have no idea how many people are carrying it around today and don't know it. They feel fine. They won't feel fine in a few days. It is going to take several weeks of social distancing before we (hopefully) see the curve slow its rapid ascent. China really screwed us on this thing. I hope we remember that as we go forward.

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Re: The numbers were a tool [Re: bill] #3081775
03/27/20 12:18 PM
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Am I going to get an answer on when Alabama peaks ?

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Re: The numbers were a tool [Re: ] #3081779
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Originally Posted by sgtred
Am I going to get an answer on when Alabama peaks ?


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