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23k+ dead so far #3080479
03/26/20 07:52 AM
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23,000+ have died in the US so far. From the seasonal flu, not coronavirus

1,000 have died from coronavirus so far in the US

Mortality rate is hovering between .75-.80% in New York

Are you starting to feel played yet?


"If some of the pneumonia cases and deaths earlier this year were from coronavirus, that would mean that the death rate is much lower than predicted. Even the Diamond Princess cruise ship, which was the ultimate petri dish of recycled air circulating an infection, with an elderly population, experienced a 1.25% fatality rate. New York, which seems to be, by far, the worst hot spot now, has a mortality rate hovering between 0.75% and 0.80%, and it is going down as they test more cases. That compares to 1.2% nationwide, which helps show that wherever we test and identify the virus, the numbers go way up, but the mortality goes down."


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Re: 23k+ dead so far [Re: Phil_Army] #3080488
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Been saying this whole reaction has been overblown 100x over. Nothing but sensationalizing and micro-reporting on an infectious disease. The bullchit I’ve been seeing on the book of faces is getting outrageous.

But don’t worry, someone will be along shortly to let us all know that the virus hasn’t yet peaked and that if we don’t shut down the economy now and for the next two months, everybody’s grandparents or parents will die. The hospitals will be overrun, and then the healthy folks will all die.

Re: 23k+ dead so far [Re: Phil_Army] #3080489
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"flatten the curve" because this thing is "so dangerous" that 99% of people who have tested positive don't even have any signs or symptoms of it! Cmon folks. Yea c'mon!


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Re: 23k+ dead so far [Re: CeeHawk37] #3080496
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Originally Posted by CeeHawk37
the virus hasn’t yet peaked and that if we don’t shut down the economy now and for the next two months, everybody’s grandparents or parents will die. The hospitals will be overrun, and then the healthy folks will all die.

Re: 23k+ dead so far [Re: Phil_Army] #3080505
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Don't go posting facts to screw things up


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Re: 23k+ dead so far [Re: Phil_Army] #3080510
03/26/20 08:32 AM
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and 144 of those 20K deaths are children

350K hospitalizations. Is the HC system overwhelmed by flu?


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Re: 23k+ dead so far [Re: Phil_Army] #3080516
03/26/20 08:41 AM
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Re: 23k+ dead so far [Re: Phil_Army] #3080547
03/26/20 09:18 AM
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i dont know about yall but if I was told I could either stay home or go about my daily business but the catch is I have to stand in line with 100 people and 1 of us will be randomly selected to be killed i think id stay home I dont like those odds. the rate of death is lowered by more testing because it takes so long to show symptoms but all the while you are spreading the disease, your just finding more cases that have not come to a resolution yet. I think if you look at resolved cases/deaths vs active cases/deaths youll see the mortality rate increase 2-3x

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Re: 23k+ dead so far [Re: GKelly] #3080549
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Originally Posted by GKelly
i dont know about yall but if I was told I could either stay home or go about my daily business but the catch is I have to stand in line with 100 people and 1 of us will be randomly selected to be killed i think id stay home I dont like those odds. the rate of death is lowered by more testing because it takes so long to show symptoms but all the while you are spreading the disease, your just finding more cases that have not come to a resolution yet. I think if you look at resolved cases/deaths vs active cases/deaths youll see the mortality rate increase 2-3x


That's the way you think the numbers work? One out of 100 of us will die?

Re: 23k+ dead so far [Re: charlie] #3080552
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thats what 1% usually means CDC is estimating the mortality at around 1.5% in US so slightly more than 1 per 100 that catch this will die, 3 out of every 200 will die at that rate

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Re: 23k+ dead so far [Re: Phil_Army] #3080553
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I dont think he was saying it literally.


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Re: 23k+ dead so far [Re: GKelly] #3080555
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Originally Posted by GKelly
I think if you look at resolved cases/deaths vs active cases/deaths youll see the mortality rate increase 2-3x


Umm NO. That is a complete BS number used to incite fear. The mortality rate for the virus is less that 1%. (Deaths divided by total cases) Which this morning is listed at .4% which is just slightly higher than flu mortality (WORLDWIDE). This time next week we will be getting back to normal. Number of daily new cases will start to peak around Monday or Tuesday then start a gradual decline.

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Re: 23k+ dead so far [Re: Phil_Army] #3080558
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The current rate is 1.4-1.5%; Coronavirus Cases:68,905; Deaths:1,037

Re: 23k+ dead so far [Re: Phil_Army] #3080564
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Diving the number of deaths by the number of active cases falsely lowers the death rate. Doing so falsely assumes that every active case will resolve in recovery without a single death. That is not realistic. The only way to properly calculate the death rate on an ongoing pandemic is to only use the closed cases. Anything else is bad math. You’re dividing by new cases but the numerator hasn’t had a chance to catch up to the death toll yet to be associated with those cases. the disease is doubling every few days but resolutions take a few weeks.

Re: 23k+ dead so far [Re: GKelly] #3080565
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Originally Posted by GKelly
Diving the number of deaths by the number of active cases falsely lowers the death rate. Doing so falsely assumes that every active case will resolve in recovery without a single death. That is not realistic. The only way to properly calculate the death rate on an ongoing pandemic is to only use the closed cases. Anything else is bad math. You’re dividing by new cases but the numerator hasn’t had a chance to catch up to the death toll yet to be associated with those cases. the disease is doubling every few days but resolutions take a few weeks.


right................[deaths] / [deaths + recoveries] would give you a more accurate estimate


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Re: 23k+ dead so far [Re: Phil_Army] #3080567
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Agree; we are watching this unfold in the rear view mirror

Re: 23k+ dead so far [Re: GKelly] #3080569
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Originally Posted by GKelly
thats what 1% usually means CDC is estimating the mortality at around 1.5% in US so slightly more than 1 per 100 that catch this will die, 3 out of every 200 will die at that rate


Your example describes a 1% chance of dying if you go about your daily life. That is far from true. Nothing is risk free. You have a chance of dying everyday driving to work. Probably higher than your overall chance of dying from China flu. People should take precautions and stay home if they can but stop over reacting.

Re: 23k+ dead so far [Re: Phil_Army] #3080578
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The number we don't have is how many people have it but haven't been tested. If 1% of those that have tested positive are dying, think about how many more people have it or had it and are/were fine. The mortality rate is extremely low and we'll never know the true number because of the lack of testing nationwide


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Re: 23k+ dead so far [Re: charlie] #3080585
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Originally Posted by charlie
Originally Posted by GKelly
thats what 1% usually means CDC is estimating the mortality at around 1.5% in US so slightly more than 1 per 100 that catch this will die, 3 out of every 200 will die at that rate


Your example describes a 1% chance of dying if you go about your daily life. That is far from true. Nothing is risk free. You have a chance of dying everyday driving to work. Probably higher than your overall chance of dying from China flu. People should take precautions and stay home if they can but stop over reacting.



1 person in 103 will die from a car wreck , in this country. I guess if a 1% mortality rate is a number that causes you to hole up so that you don't risk your life, or those around you, you shouldn't ever drive again.


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