All of that just seems to validate the things I've said....does it not? Am I missing something? Not meaning that in a smart arse way.


Question from left field...….Hypothetically speaking, if a coyote was trotting along down one of these roadways and suddenly he came up on a spot where a true wolf had marked his territory. How do you think the coyote would react to it?

Back when most everyone used game cameras that had a white flash on them.....Does anyone remember coyotes seeming to be spooked by the flash....or did they not seem to pay too much attention?

Most deer and coyotes seem to notice my infrared cameras much more than they ever did my flash cameras.

Wut the hell?

No worries bclc just been hanging out with hunterbuck to much lately 😃

Dogs are dogs. Wolves, coyotes, mutts, etc. if they smell another dog they either want to piss on it or hump it. I was just answering professor CNC’s hypothetical situation.

I thought wolves were the dominant predator and took over areas where they overlapped with yotes?? I may be pulling that one out of my arse but I thought I remembered something to that effect.I bet you there is some simplistic way of diverting coyotes off of your road system. Its gonna likely have to be something that’s spaced every few hundred yards or so to keep being an impediment ….but if we could ever figure out how I really believe it would be a game changer for a property that is seeing lots of coyotes due to their roads being so heavily used.

What about something emitting a sound at a certain frequency that the yotes didn’t like? Or something that could be spread across the road that would mess with their nose and prevent them from being able to hunt the road effectively? I had prison guard I tracked for tell me that he was in charge of the hounds they used to man track escapees and that the railroad tracks was the worst place to try and follow someone with dog because the creosote “burnt their nose up” whatever that means……The idea behind it though could be used possibly. I wonder if the state would mind if I trapped a few and penned them up to conduct some studies??

Dog whistle?

I’ve got one other idea and before I shut down the old road bed I think I might try to do some testing with it. It may be end up being a complete flop but you never know if you don’t try it. If it did work it would be the most simple and feasible to implement

I was reading that coyotes basically see in two color shades….yellow and blue. What I’m not real sure about is if they’re able to distinguish the intensity of those colors or if everything is seen in the same bland shade of color. How they perceive it at night would be the important part. The idea is to take two signs maybe about twice the size of a “vote for me” sign you see on the side of the road….maybe a little bigger….and create a certain design on each one using intense shades of yellow and blue. Then take and put the signs out on either side of the road no wider than you just have to so that the coyote feels like he’s passing between the two signs. Place where the road narrows down and gets thick on either side would probably best so that there’s less potential to just skirt around it..

I’m trying to remember where I saw this but it seems like I remember something similar to this being used in a garden and was supposed to replicate an owl maybe….It was more like an abstract owl though. I’m wondering if there is some pattern of those colors that the coyote would perceive in a threatening way or be like sensory overload. Coyotes are notorious for being wary of a trap so I’m also trying to use that to my advantage here as well and make him think twice about passing through. I’ve got to some more reading and see if I can’t find out a little more about how they perceive colors and such….but I think the first thing I may try is a few just plain horizontal lines of intense yellow and blue. Now this is just pulling ideas out of nowhere and may be way off base but I read that they don’t see in great detail so I thought that maybe the intense lines running in opposite direction from his line of travel down the road may mess with his ability to see past them to where the road continues. Ehhhh…who knows. I’ll put my camera out on video mode to monitor what happens. What’ll likely end up happing is I’ll go back to check on it and they’ll be a big pile of coyote chit laying right in front it ….just par for the course with experimenting.

I’m getting ready to set this experiment up in the next few days. I’ve got a little bit of a different idea for the signs on the first run. I’m just gonna go with solid bright yellow I think…..but I’m gonna go back and put a second coating over it of glow in the dark paint. I read that coyotes are able to pick up light at night much better than human eyes. So in theory, the yellow glow in the dark signs on either side of the road should really stand out to a coyote. I don’t know if they’ll perceive it as two lights or not but that’s sorta what I’m going for. Having to pass between the two lights is what I’m hoping is too much for him and it turns him around or makes him detour.

First thing I’m gonna do is just put the camera out and maybe put out a little bit of bait to make sure I’ve got some willing test subjects and to make sure the camera location isn't spooking them so that later on I can say it was the signs that were the difference. I know this probably seems crazy or absurd but so have other ideas I’ve had…

@CNC.....I was curious to hear about the outcome of your experiment? For the record I did read all the way through each comment and I enjoyed the read. But I enjoy reading and can tell you're a deep thinker and possibly try and engage someone beyond surface level talk.

I haven't done it yet but I still plan to.....I've been doing a bunch of remodeling on my house and its just taking longer to get finished up than I anticipated. I've been down in the dumps too over my lab getting killed and just haven't given the experiment a whole lot of thought lately. I'm getting back to myself now though and I'm definitely gonna try some stuff with the yotes eventually. I'd love for other folks to get involved as well with doing an experiment such as this. I really think there's something to it. There was another thread about the same time as this one where I was discussing some of the stuff I've seen out of yotes while tracking wounded deer. I'll see if I can find it and bump it to the top. You might be interested in reading some of that stuff as well.

Tensaw River......the other thread I was referring to is the one on killing does by Cal....page 1 is where I was talking about my observations on coyotes through blood tracking with dogs

I sent 4 down range at about 500 yards yesterday with an AR. Three were him running. Never connected but came close. Bout half grown.

I hate to see them in packs.....It may just sound like a common sense I suppose but I think the packs are putting a whole lot more pressure on the deer than the single dogs.....I think they are a lot more apt to target weak and wounded deer when they're in packs.

I got to say I believe there is a little something to your thoughts. I run coyotes with dogs quite a bit. When you get to pressuring a coyote they’ll hit a road, fire break, power line or fence row and leave out. Most of the time they run right out from under a dog. I know for a fact they utilize the path of least resistance

Sorry for the late reply, I read the thread and was very interesting to read. I too feel as the many posters there. I may comeback later and add more as I've just gotten home from a 12hr shift...

I'd be interested to hear your thoughts.....I just put my trail camera out on the old road bed this afternoon. I didn't see any fresh scat but with all the berries I have getting ripe some may move in. They used to hammer my wild plums when they dropped....Drought got them a few years ago though. I'm gonna put some bait in front of the camera as well and see if I can get a regular test subject passing through

Let me say upfront that any of this may be right, wrong, or a little of both….I’m not claiming it’s a sure thing just some thoughts and theories……

I think a lot of this behavior has been something that they’ve learned over time and things have been constantly changing as far as their impact is concerned…..A lot of trackers train their new pups by letting them run in behind their experienced dogs…..Dogs learn way faster from other dogs than they do from humans….they pick up on a lot…..I imagine its likely the same with yotes….They adapt and learn different behaviors over time that helps them survive and then that behavior gets taught to the pups and other dogs….Survival of the fittest is probably helping to bring about the change at the same time as the ones who learn these “new skills” first are able to outcompete the others. …..I think bringing down the weak and wounded deer by pushing them around until they wear down is probably something that has been gradually becoming more and more prevalent over the last decade and may still be in the process of changing or evolving throughout the larger population. I would guess that it would be most prevalent in home range yotes that run in packs…..They’re passing the skill down to younger dogs. I’m gonna guess that its not something they’re born instinctively knowing how to do. I do think there are some things we can do to off set some of their impacts though and in the future it may be something that sets your property apart from others and makes it a hot spot. Figuring out how to shut down these main travel routes would be one big one…..and the other would be trapping enough to not let them form long lasting packs that call your place home. I imagine they put a lot of stress on the deer herd and may have a dramatic impact on deer behavior. I bet the longer a pack stays together using this technique of targeting the weak and wounded….the more efficient and refined they become. You surely wouldn’t want multiple generations staying on your place honing it on in……New dogs will always migrate in but I bet young dogs running by themselves would not have nearly the same impact as older dogs running in packs.