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DCNR Wildlife and Freshwater fisheries. #3039278
02/11/20 07:50 PM
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central alabama
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sgtred Offline OP
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Former employee just retired after 30 years, would like to know what hunters think about the current direction of the Dept,and what changes to the laws and how the GWs operate. What kind of grade would you give from 1 to 10.

Re: DCNR Wildlife and Freshwater fisheries. [Re: sgtred] #3039285
02/11/20 07:52 PM
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This is going to be interesting get the popcorn ready

Re: DCNR Wildlife and Freshwater fisheries. [Re: sgtred] #3039287
02/11/20 07:54 PM
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Where’s all this corn money going?

Re: DCNR Wildlife and Freshwater fisheries. [Re: sgtred] #3039288
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There was this GW in Dallas co who was a total tool. Always was taking his job way too serious slap


Quietly killing turkeys where youre not!!!
My tank full of give a fraks been runnin on empty
I'm the paterfamilias
Re: DCNR Wildlife and Freshwater fisheries. [Re: sgtred] #3039310
02/11/20 08:05 PM
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Montgomery / Luverne
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Re: DCNR Wildlife and Freshwater fisheries. [Re: sgtred] #3039318
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I will always be mad that they changed the opening day of turkey season to the 3rd Saturday of March so it would be fair for everybody.

On a scale of 1-10 I give the department a 2.


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Re: DCNR Wildlife and Freshwater fisheries. [Re: sgtred] #3039324
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Fair is the choice word of Democrats. I hate it


Quietly killing turkeys where youre not!!!
My tank full of give a fraks been runnin on empty
I'm the paterfamilias
Re: DCNR Wildlife and Freshwater fisheries. [Re: crenshawco] #3039369
02/11/20 08:32 PM
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Originally Posted by crenshawco
[Linked Image]


rofl This made me laugh harder than it should have


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Re: DCNR Wildlife and Freshwater fisheries. [Re: sgtred] #3039392
02/11/20 08:49 PM
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Originally Posted by sgtred
Former employee just retired after 30 years, would like to know what hunters think about the current direction of the Dept,and what changes to the laws and how the GWs operate. What kind of grade would you give from 1 to 10.


IMO, and that's all its is, I would give Montgomery a 1. That's because I'm feeling real generous tonight. The GW, those 2 per county (supposedly) I would probably give them an 8. That's just the ones I know. There could be plenty I don't know that would bring the number down. I get the feeling there is a divide between those 2 per county and Montgomery also.

The law changes I would make would go back to Jan 31 ending deer season in North zone and Turkey season set on March 15 unless that falls on Sunday.

But away from the laws is where HUGE changes are needed. Sykes needs to be gone. No 2 ways about it, he's a liability now. Plenty other attitude adjustments needed in Montgomery. Deer would no longer be managed by the whole state but smaller sections, like maybe 4 sections to start with. Would try to find a way to encourage squirrel and rabbit hunting to youths. That's a dieing sports that needs the youth and the youth need to experience it. Would get the people more involved in game management or at least have programs available such as going out with biologist and helping them. Go back to ride-along with GWs. I could go on and on but the DCNR and the people have to come back together. But that's not happening until there is a big change in Montgomery.

Re: DCNR Wildlife and Freshwater fisheries. [Re: sgtred] #3039406
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Sykes is a plague on the entire DCNR. He's an absolutely awful spokesman and is totally disconnected from most hunters in the state. He should've been gone a while back.

As far as the GWs go, my experiences with them in Crenshaw have been nothing but great. I've only dealt with 1 of our 2 wardens, but he does a dang good job and in his words, I felt like he was "working for me."

Re: DCNR Wildlife and Freshwater fisheries. [Re: sgtred] #3039411
02/11/20 09:01 PM
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Wardens up here get a 10

The leadership and CAB get a -10


BTR Scorer in NW Alabama

Re: DCNR Wildlife and Freshwater fisheries. [Re: sgtred] #3039418
02/11/20 09:04 PM
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I’d give a score of 3 and one of our two gws in this county a 0 the other I’ve heard good things about.


Would walk over a naked woman to get to a gobblin turkey!
Re: DCNR Wildlife and Freshwater fisheries. [Re: sgtred] #3039425
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sgtred, you and other GW's and biologist follow this site and some post , you really didn't have to ask, I think you already know the grade Aldeer would give.

central, you hit all the high spots. I think most here would give most GW's in the field and biologist pretty high marks . Then there's Chuck and Company in Montgomery.



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Re: DCNR Wildlife and Freshwater fisheries. [Re: sgtred] #3039445
02/11/20 09:20 PM
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Before this gets neck deep in doo doo on this thread I want to voice my opinion. I was just about to type some of what the last 3 posters have said. The last one being Swamper. I know a great many biologists, game wardens, even biologist aids. All those guys.....every single one of them pour their heart and soul into their job. Most of them are perfectly fitted for their jobs. We have some great up and coming leaders that are in the district level postitions. These folks read and feel every single one of y'alls comments on here. I'm sure it hurts them to hear what their "target market" is saying about them and the management of DCNR. Say what you feel, but direct it where it needs to be directed, and make the point of what you feel in your mind needs to be changed. It will be heard.


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Re: DCNR Wildlife and Freshwater fisheries. [Re: 2Dogs] #3039454
02/11/20 09:27 PM
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Originally Posted by 2Dogs


central, you hit all the high spots. I think most here would give most GW's in the field and biologist pretty high marks . Then there's Chuck and Company in Montgomery.


Yes I agree. To be clear my grade of 2 was directed at the director. I believe that the biologist and the the game wardens are doing the best they can.


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Re: DCNR Wildlife and Freshwater fisheries. [Re: slippinlipjr] #3039502
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I live in the same area as slippin. The local staff from wardens to biologists to aids to admin are awesome. It’s a shame their leader isn’t.

I feel confident this will be a repeating theme throughout this discussion. The question is what can really be done about it? Appears nothing based on conversations I have had with them.

Re: DCNR Wildlife and Freshwater fisheries. [Re: sgtred] #3039553
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Open bow season 2 weeks earlier in the north at least to give a chance to hunt row crop before its harvested like every other state in the country.


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Re: DCNR Wildlife and Freshwater fisheries. [Re: sgtred] #3039583
02/12/20 06:34 AM
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I can only speak to issues related to turkeys because I have essentially stopped most other hunting. I am concerned about an issue many turkey hunters must overcome. Many clubs / leases feed deer through the early spring months ( February - April ) because they believe these months to be the period of most needed supplemental feeding. As a turkey hunter, how far from that corn do I have to be to be legal? The only answer I have been able to glean is that it is at the discretion of the game warden. My business partner got a citation a couple of years ago for a feeder that hadn’t been used in months. It had two kernels wedged in a corner of the feeder. He was on the complete other end of a 700 acre lease from the feeder in question. This was in Hale County. Where does this leave the club turkey hunter trying to be legal? There is nothing pleasant about hunting while worrying about whether or not you are legal.

Re: DCNR Wildlife and Freshwater fisheries. [Re: sportrep] #3039642
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Originally Posted by sportrep
I can only speak to issues related to turkeys because I have essentially stopped most other hunting. I am concerned about an issue many turkey hunters must overcome. Many clubs / leases feed deer through the early spring months ( February - April ) because they believe these months to be the period of most needed supplemental feeding. As a turkey hunter, how far from that corn do I have to be to be legal? The only answer I have been able to glean is that it is at the discretion of the game warden. My business partner got a citation a couple of years ago for a feeder that hadn’t been used in months. It had two kernels wedged in a corner of the feeder. He was on the complete other end of a 700 acre lease from the feeder in question. This was in Hale County. Where does this leave the club turkey hunter trying to be legal? There is nothing pleasant about hunting while worrying about whether or not you are legal.

. The old standard for bait applies to Turkeys. Hunt by aid of bait, directly or indirectly. That being said, it still has to be proven beyond a reasonable doubt. One of the elements about that, that would still apply, is the Warden has to be able to prove you knew the corn was there or you should have known. That is based on Case law from the Alabama Supreme Court. Phillips vs Alabama. It was a turkey bait case. You would need to verify that with Montgomery, because anything I say as a retired officer doesn't carry any weight anymore.

Re: DCNR Wildlife and Freshwater fisheries. [Re: sgtred] #3039644
02/12/20 07:31 AM
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I think if you're in a club that feeds during turkey season then you know the bait is there. Gonna be hard to prove you didn't know it.
I'll agree it should be given the common sense test, and I believe most GWs would do that. But the only sure fire solution is to change the club's mind about feeding or find a new place to hunt turkeys.


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