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Re: How to make a large plot better? [Re: hallb] #3024886
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My first thought is to move the stand from the North side if the field.

Re: How to make a large plot better? [Re: dirkdaddy] #3024888
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Originally Posted by dirkdaddy
Originally Posted by slippinlipjr
That's the best candidate for a clear cut I have ever seen. All those pines need to go. Looks like it is wide open under them. You need more cover plain and simple in my opinion.

Yea I had to do a double take on that photo after I gave my suggestion because there is ZERO thickness in there. No sage, no briars, nowhere for the deer to lay around and feel secure. A coyote or predator could be on them with the quickness and silently in that kinda wide open woods and they hate that. Need some trashy areas where predators can't just run free without making a crap ton of noise.


There is only maybe 15 scattered pines total in the whole thing and a few other trash trees, not sure how you "clear cut" something like that or how it would help with cover. I think letting parts of it grow up thicker would help with cover for sure as others have stated.

Re: How to make a large plot better? [Re: hallb] #3024898
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Question - is this land owned by you or leased? That really will determine what options are available to you when it comes to making changes.

Re: How to make a large plot better? [Re: hallb] #3024899
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Originally Posted by hallb
Originally Posted by dirkdaddy
Originally Posted by slippinlipjr
That's the best candidate for a clear cut I have ever seen. All those pines need to go. Looks like it is wide open under them. You need more cover plain and simple in my opinion.

Yea I had to do a double take on that photo after I gave my suggestion because there is ZERO thickness in there. No sage, no briars, nowhere for the deer to lay around and feel secure. A coyote or predator could be on them with the quickness and silently in that kinda wide open woods and they hate that. Need some trashy areas where predators can't just run free without making a crap ton of noise.


There is only maybe 15 scattered pines total in the whole thing and a few other trash trees, not sure how you "clear cut" something like that or how it would help with cover. I think letting parts of it grow up thicker would help with cover for sure as others have stated.

I was talking about the surrounding woods hallb


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Re: How to make a large plot better? [Re: Fuzzy_Bunny] #3024905
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Originally Posted by Fuzzy_Bunny
My first thought is to move the stand from the North side if the field.

And get it back in some cover. Plant better food and dont blast away. Itll get better.


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Re: How to make a large plot better? [Re: hallb] #3024906
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Those two food plots around it ain’t helping the situation none

Re: How to make a large plot better? [Re: hallb] #3024912
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There are 2 types of food plots that I really like.
1. Long narrow strips
2. Big ones, 2 acres or more

I would say plant the whole thing, and limit the pressure. We have some of the best luck in our largest plots. And on a COLD clear day you will absolutely lose count of how many deer will be feeding.

Re: How to make a large plot better? [Re: hallb] #3025109
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The areas adjacent to this plot, we own some of it you see and don't own some of it you see, but have rights to hunt it and we plant it, etc. We do own the whole plot. The property lines are weird right there, basically we share the pond with one other landowner and the property line runs right up the middle of it. We have a guy we know locally that owns a timber management company and he will be helping us make decisions on cutting, thinning, etc. I would love a big ol' cutover too, but I think there is another section of the property that's 40 acres that is a better suited to it and has an immediate need. So really was looking at more of things we can do within the plot, plantings, letting it grow up natural or I like Blumsden's idea too but not sure if that is in the budget, may start it and do something like that over time.

I think we'll probably start by letting a good portion of it grow up and just plant the middle section and move the stand.

Re: How to make a large plot better? [Re: hallb] #3025141
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Hallb, have you met Kenny King down there?l

Re: How to make a large plot better? [Re: hallb] #3025189
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On the areas you own, the pines look mature enough to cut. Designate a few 5-10 acre areas of pines to clear cut and replant in Long Leaf. Thin the remainder of the pines and then put on a burn rotation. That will create a mixture of habitat that provides food and cover different from the hardwood drains and fields. I have seen first hand how younger long leaf stands and thinned burned pines benefit all wildlife.

Re: How to make a large plot better? [Re: jwalker77] #3025225
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Originally Posted by jwalker77
Seriously though, id plant the whole 5acres in ironclay peas and see if you can get them coming every day during the summer. Then when the peas play out, should be about acorn drop time, replant in whatever mix you want to. That and keep the corn there for them. I think year round feed is the key.


If you are fortunate enough to have a 5 acre plot, plant it. Keep something for deer to eat in it all year, give them a reason to be there, its that simple

Re: How to make a large plot better? [Re: hallb] #3025275
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Keep in mind that the prevailing winter wind is from the northwest to north so the access and stand should be from the southeast to south. With property like that I would have multiple access points and stands to accommodate any wind. Nice place tho good luck.

Re: How to make a large plot better? [Re: Gig] #3025286
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Originally Posted by Gig
Keep in mind that the prevailing winter wind is from the northwest to north so the access and stand should be from the southeast to south. With property like that I would have multiple access points and stands to accommodate any wind. Nice place tho good luck.


The way it is now only access is from the north and with trying to keep shot distances reasonable, etc it just made sense to put it where it is now. Honestly though we’ve had probably just as many days where we could hunt this stand as any other one and it is nice to have a stand on those days. I do think it could have two stands.

Re: How to make a large plot better? [Re: ronfromramer] #3025289
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Originally Posted by ronfromramer
Originally Posted by jwalker77
Seriously though, id plant the whole 5acres in ironclay peas and see if you can get them coming every day during the summer. Then when the peas play out, should be about acorn drop time, replant in whatever mix you want to. That and keep the corn there for them. I think year round feed is the key.


If you are fortunate enough to have a 5 acre plot, plant it. Keep something for deer to eat in it all year, give them a reason to be there, its that simple


Well that was kinda our theory too but didn’t seem to do the trick, maybe I’m being impatient.

Re: How to make a large plot better? [Re: hallb] #3025300
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Hall that is a good looking piece of land. I would have thought with that pond next to the big field the deer would wear it out. Interesting.


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Re: How to make a large plot better? [Re: hallb] #3025307
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Re: How to make a large plot better? [Re: 2Dogs] #3025315
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Originally Posted by 2Dogs
Don't over hunt it.


Definitely haven’t done that

Re: How to make a large plot better? [Re: hallb] #3025616
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Do you only hunt it on a South wind?


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Re: How to make a large plot better? [Re: 2Dogs] #3025633
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Originally Posted by 2Dogs
Don't over hunt it.


That is what I was thinking too. Try that for a year or at least save it for really late in the season.

Re: How to make a large plot better? [Re: jacannon] #3025677
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Originally Posted by jacannon
Do you only hunt it on a South wind?


yes, or some version of S/SW/SE, etc - never hunted on a N, NE. Like I said, there has actually been a number of days with that wind here this year, so it is nice to have a place to go. That being said, it could have multiple stands.

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