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Breaking...Kobe Bryant dead in a helicopter crash.
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01/26/20 02:45 PM
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News just breaking on twitter.
TMZ reporting.
"You think I care? Roll Damn Tide"
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Re: Breaking...Kobe Bryant dead in a helicopter crash.
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01/26/20 03:00 PM
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RIP. Clintons?
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Isaiah 5:20 Woe to those who call evil good and good evil, who put darkness for light and light for darkness, who put bitter for sweet and sweet for bitter.
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Re: Breaking...Kobe Bryant dead in a helicopter crash.
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01/26/20 03:10 PM
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I fly a bunch in Cessna and an aeronica champ but no way I’m getting in a helicopter. No way
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Re: Breaking...Kobe Bryant dead in a helicopter crash.
[Re: doekiller]
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01/26/20 03:26 PM
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Will everyone forget that he is a sexual abuser/rapist? He *is* one, or he was *accused* of being one? Charges were dropped. I would expect better from a defense attorney. Not defending Kobe, but damn.
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Re: Breaking...Kobe Bryant dead in a helicopter crash.
[Re: hunterbuck]
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01/26/20 03:28 PM
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Will everyone forget that he is a sexual abuser/rapist? He *was* one, or he was *accused* of being one? Charges were dropped. I'd expect more of a defense attorney. Not defending Kobe, but damn. Read his statements following the multi-million dollar settlement. He admitted that it wasn’t consensual.
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Re: Breaking...Kobe Bryant dead in a helicopter crash.
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01/26/20 03:38 PM
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Will everyone forget that he is a sexual abuser/rapist? He *was* one, or he was *accused* of being one? Charges were dropped. I'd expect more of a defense attorney. Not defending Kobe, but damn. Read his statements following the multi-million dollar settlement. He admitted that it wasn’t consensual. The letter he wrote was "negotiated" as part of the settlement. He didn't admit that it wasn't consensual, he said that he felt it was consensual, but recognized that she didn't think it was consensual. And what multi-million dollar settlement? You have a link providing the monetary amount, if any?
"You think I care? Roll Damn Tide"
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Re: Breaking...Kobe Bryant dead in a helicopter crash.
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01/26/20 03:40 PM
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It is like the world forgetting Ray Lewis was involved in a murder. Didnt his jail time start after his career in the NFL?
Isaiah 5:20 Woe to those who call evil good and good evil, who put darkness for light and light for darkness, who put bitter for sweet and sweet for bitter.
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Re: Breaking...Kobe Bryant dead in a helicopter crash.
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he said that he felt it was consensual, but could see how she didn't think it was consensual.[/quote]
Dude that is rape.
Isaiah 5:20 Woe to those who call evil good and good evil, who put darkness for light and light for darkness, who put bitter for sweet and sweet for bitter.
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Re: Breaking...Kobe Bryant dead in a helicopter crash.
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he said that he felt it was consensual, but could see how she didn't think it was consensual. Dude that is rape.[/quote] Actually, his exact words in the statement were "Although I truly believe this encounter between us was consensual, I recognize now that she did not and does not view this incident the same way I did." Sounds more like an "agree to disagree" to me.
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Re: Breaking...Kobe Bryant dead in a helicopter crash.
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01/26/20 03:46 PM
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No matter what he did in the past its still a terrible situation. He has a family that has to deal with this and children that lost a father. They say these celebrity deaths happen in 3's yesterday we lost Forest Wood so wonder who's next?
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Re: Breaking...Kobe Bryant dead in a helicopter crash.
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It is like the world forgetting Ray Lewis was involved in a murder. Didnt his jail time start after his career in the NFL? He served no jail time. It was in the middle of his career while he was in Atlanta for a super bowl.
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Re: Breaking...Kobe Bryant dead in a helicopter crash.
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he said that he felt it was consensual, but could see how she didn't think it was consensual. Dude that is rape. Actually, his exact words in the statement were "Although I truly believe this encounter between us was consensual, I recognize now that she did not and does not view this incident the same way I did." Sounds more like an "agree to disagree" to me.[/quote] So if a guy says it is consensual and the female says it isn’t, it isn’t rape. Gotcha.
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I fly a bunch in Cessna and an aeronica champ but no way I’m getting in a helicopter. No way Yeah at least with an airplane and loss of power, theres some amount of glide possible.....with a helicopter you're just dropping like a rock.
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Re: Breaking...Kobe Bryant dead in a helicopter crash.
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I fly a bunch in Cessna and an aeronica champ but no way I’m getting in a helicopter. No way On trips to the mountains over the years, my family has brought up doing a helicopter tour, more than 1x. I'm with you. Ain't no way I'm getting in one of them. You hear about too many of those jokers falling out of the sky. Prayers for the man's family.
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Re: Breaking...Kobe Bryant dead in a helicopter crash.
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he said that he felt it was consensual, but could see how she didn't think it was consensual. Dude that is rape. Actually, his exact words in the statement were "Although I truly believe this encounter between us was consensual, I recognize now that she did not and does not view this incident the same way I did." Sounds more like an "agree to disagree" to me.[/quote]
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Re: Breaking...Kobe Bryant dead in a helicopter crash.
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01/26/20 04:01 PM
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Sad situation. I know one if his daughters were killed
There is 2 different high fence. 1 small and one big! Mine was free range in the big pen and was not a breeder buck. Why does it have to be twisted around??
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Re: Breaking...Kobe Bryant dead in a helicopter crash.
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01/26/20 04:04 PM
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I just read where LA County SO confirms his death but said his wife and children were not on board.
Went back and re-read It said the reports were initial ".His wife Vanessa, and three daughters, were not on board, initial reports indicate."
Now they are confirming his 13 YO daughter was on board.
Last edited by jawbone; 01/26/20 04:18 PM.
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01/26/20 04:15 PM
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13 year old daughter was on board with him
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Re: Breaking...Kobe Bryant dead in a helicopter crash.
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Too early to know for sure I guess but there are reports that his daughter, Gianna, was on board.
Other reports say none of his children were on board.
Not sure what to believe just yet.
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Re: Breaking...Kobe Bryant dead in a helicopter crash.
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01/26/20 04:22 PM
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I fly a bunch in Cessna and an aeronica champ but no way I’m getting in a helicopter. No way Yeah at least with an airplane and loss of power, theres some amount of glide possible.....with a helicopter you're just dropping like a rock. Not entirely true. You can go into an autorotation and execute a run on landing if you’re lucky
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Re: Breaking...Kobe Bryant dead in a helicopter crash.
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01/26/20 04:24 PM
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and in other more important news...the stock market is gonna crash like hell tomorrow over the coronavirus situation.
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All of y’all that are so quick to spit on a dead mans grave just remember that all sin is equal in the eye of the beholder. Hope you removed that plank from your eye before you went pointing out others issues. Amen, show some class and pray for all the families affected.
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and in other more important news...the stock market is gonna crash like hell tomorrow over the coronavirus situation. I bet Corona stock will be down for sure.
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All of y’all that are so quick to spit on a dead mans grave just remember that all sin is equal in the eye of the beholder. Hope you removed that plank from your eye before you went pointing out others issues. I'm not saying he did it or didn't do it.....but, that is one of the most misunderstood verses in the entire Bible. There is nothing wrong, biblically for pointing out when someone does something criminal. That verse is typically misquoted by folks trying to defend something they know to be wrong.
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I am a professional helicopter pilot and instructor pilot at Ft. Rucker. Helicopters are actually very safe and do not crash as often as people think. Look into the number of fatal small airplane crashes vs helicopter crashes. Most accidents involve human error, it doesn’t matter how safe the aircraft if the pilot has a lapse in judgement or gets in over their head often they and other people pay the price.
It is absolutely sad that this has happened and I pray for his family especially if his daughter was onboard. Don’t you think it’s odd that it’s an S-76? Those are reliable aircraft. If you would have told me a Robinson I wouldn’t be shocked but to hear it was an S-76 leads me to believe that something extraordinary happened
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and in other more important news...the stock market is gonna crash like hell tomorrow over the coronavirus situation. I had a feeling more would come from. I have weekly SPY puts, 2/7 $44 EEM puts and 2/21 40.5 FXI puts
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Re: Breaking...Kobe Bryant dead in a helicopter crash.
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All of y’all that are so quick to spit on a dead mans grave just remember that all sin is equal in the eye of the beholder. Hope you removed that plank from your eye before you went pointing out others issues. I'm not saying he did it or didn't do it.....but, that is one of the most misunderstood verses in the entire Bible. There is nothing wrong, biblically for pointing out when someone does something criminal. That verse is typically misquoted by folks trying to defend something they know to be wrong. I’m not using it to defend what Kobe did, I’m using it to state Christ’s position on folks piling on someone while ignoring their own sin. In other words their efforts would be more wisely spent fixing their own issues than criticism of others.
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and in other more important news...the stock market is gonna crash like hell tomorrow over the coronavirus situation. Why haven't you given the "it ain't nuttin" speech to the Stock Exchange?
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I’m not saying he was a horrible person. I’m sure he was a good father. But, I have always found it interesting that when someone dies, they become a saint. I don’t reckon I’ve seen anyone claim he was a saint.... big difference in just offering condolences without calling him a rapist and calling him a saint
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Don’t you think it’s odd that it’s an S-76? Those are reliable aircraft. If you would have told me a Robinson I wouldn’t be shocked but to hear it was an S-76 leads me to believe that something extraordinary happened
Very good aircraft. Your right about something extraordinary happened
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All of y’all that are so quick to spit on a dead mans grave just remember that all sin is equal in the eye of the beholder. Hope you removed that plank from your eye before you went pointing out others issues. Amen, show some class and pray for all the families affected. Only time I want to be on a chopper is if Im about dead and its a life flight....
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All of y’all that are so quick to spit on a dead mans grave just remember that all sin is equal in the eye of the beholder. Hope you removed that plank from your eye before you went pointing out others issues. I'm not saying he did it or didn't do it.....but, that is one of the most misunderstood verses in the entire Bible. There is nothing wrong, biblically for pointing out when someone does something criminal. That verse is typically misquoted by folks trying to defend something they know to be wrong. Very well said.
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and in other more important news...the stock market is gonna crash like hell tomorrow over the coronavirus situation. Why haven't you given the "it ain't nuttin" speech to the Stock Exchange? They dont listen to me. But cause China is in a quarantine state right now that means products aint getting produced which means a downturn on the stock market.
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Well, he gone. Hate that his daughter also died. Wonder who the other 3 are. Prayers for his family.
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I fly a bunch in Cessna and an aeronica champ but no way I’m getting in a helicopter. No way Yeah at least with an airplane and loss of power, theres some amount of glide possible.....with a helicopter you're just dropping like a rock. Well, there is a such things as auto-rotation landings with helicopters, but I get what you mean.
The fool tells me his reasons; the wise man persuades me with my own.
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Well, he gone. Hate that his daughter also died. Wonder who the other 3 are. Prayers for his family. daughter’s teammate, teammate’s parent, pilot.
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Re: Breaking...Kobe Bryant dead in a helicopter crash.
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Well, he gone. Hate that his daughter also died. Wonder who the other 3 are. Prayers for his family. daughter’s teammate, teammate’s parent, pilot. Prayers for all involved
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Juat heard there were 9 on board
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Yes autorotation is a very precise flare maneuver that can be done. I just prefer fixed wing travel Don’t get me wrong. If it leaves the ground, I generally don’t trust it.
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I fly a bunch in Cessna and an aeronica champ but no way I’m getting in a helicopter. No way Yeah at least with an airplane and loss of power, theres some amount of glide possible.....with a helicopter you're just dropping like a rock. Well, there is a such things as auto-rotation landings with helicopters, but I get what you mean. I remember being fascinated as a kid about all manner of flying machines and auto-rotation of helicopters always intrigued me. But when it's foggy and a mountain shows up 50 feet ahead, planes, trains and automobiles gonna crash. And helicopters.
I firmly believe that a double gallows should be constructed on the East Lawn of The White House. Politicians who willfully and shamelessly violate their oath to uphold and defend the Constitution of the United States of America should be swiftly tried and, upon conviction, publicly hanged at sunup the day after conviction. If multiple convicts are to be hanged they can choose with whom to share the gallows or names shall be drawn from the hangman's hat to be hanged 2 at a time.
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Yep. Sometimes you just don’t go.
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I fly a bunch in Cessna and an aeronica champ but no way I’m getting in a helicopter. No way Yeah at least with an airplane and loss of power, theres some amount of glide possible.....with a helicopter you're just dropping like a rock. Well, there is a such things as auto-rotation landings with helicopters, but I get what you mean. Yep, autos were fun with the right pilots. I did bounce once l
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I guess what breaks my heart about the whole situation is that a man had a few seconds in which he knew he and his daughter were likely about to die. That’s rough right there.
Kobe was one of the 2 best basketball players, to me, that I ever watched. He had the attitude of a flat out assassin on the court.
I’m 32 years old and to this day if I’m throwing a ball of paper or used water bottle into the trash, I may or may not incorporate a spin move/fade away with the phrase “Kobe” as I shoot.
Prayers out to his family.
RIP Mamba.
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The last report that I heard is now saying 9 people were on board and all deceased.
I firmly believe that a double gallows should be constructed on the East Lawn of The White House. Politicians who willfully and shamelessly violate their oath to uphold and defend the Constitution of the United States of America should be swiftly tried and, upon conviction, publicly hanged at sunup the day after conviction. If multiple convicts are to be hanged they can choose with whom to share the gallows or names shall be drawn from the hangman's hat to be hanged 2 at a time.
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I saw that girl on 48 news say that too. Surely she meant 5
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I am a professional helicopter pilot and instructor pilot at Ft. Rucker. Helicopters are actually very safe and do not crash as often as people think. Look into the number of fatal small airplane crashes vs helicopter crashes. Most accidents involve human error, it doesn’t matter how safe the aircraft if the pilot has a lapse in judgement or gets in over their head often they and other people pay the price.
It is absolutely sad that this has happened and I pray for his family especially if his daughter was onboard. Don’t you think it’s odd that it’s an S-76? Those are reliable aircraft. If you would have told me a Robinson I wouldn’t be shocked but to hear it was an S-76 leads me to believe that something extraordinary happened I hadn’t heard it was an S-76. Those are really good helicopters and most are instrumented for instrument flight. Someone mentioned earlier that it was possibly foggy, they could have gone IIMC and/ or gotten SD. That combination of inadvertent followed by spatial-d has killed a lot of people. It is pure speculation at this point on my part but I wouldn’t rule that out. I am guessing by your handle you know a thing or two about helicopters, so you know as much as I do that mechanical failure is very rare. I have a son that is currently a Night Stalker and know what it means. Thank you for your service.
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I saw that girl on 48 news say that too. Surely she meant 5 The Fire Chief at the news conference also said 9.
I firmly believe that a double gallows should be constructed on the East Lawn of The White House. Politicians who willfully and shamelessly violate their oath to uphold and defend the Constitution of the United States of America should be swiftly tried and, upon conviction, publicly hanged at sunup the day after conviction. If multiple convicts are to be hanged they can choose with whom to share the gallows or names shall be drawn from the hangman's hat to be hanged 2 at a time.
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10-4 I haven’t watched any other news lately
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I saw that girl on 48 news say that too. Surely she meant 5 The Fire Chief at the news conference also said 9. Thats when I heard it
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NBC just reported altitude of 2300 and helicopter did a hard turn and descended into the mountain
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None of these asshat POS news reporters give 30 seconds reporting to the death of an American soldier protecting our way of life.
I firmly believe that a double gallows should be constructed on the East Lawn of The White House. Politicians who willfully and shamelessly violate their oath to uphold and defend the Constitution of the United States of America should be swiftly tried and, upon conviction, publicly hanged at sunup the day after conviction. If multiple convicts are to be hanged they can choose with whom to share the gallows or names shall be drawn from the hangman's hat to be hanged 2 at a time.
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Not that my opinion matters, but I'm inclined to think the rape allegations were BS. Too many of these women see the $ signs associated with an athlete and in today's culture, a large portion of the population thinks the woman should be believed no matter what.
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Great ball player terrible human being. Davey Stevie Ray Bill Graham I'll never ride one them death traps.
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I don't know whether he was guilty of the rape allegations or not. At this point, it really does not matter.
What I do know is that no matter whether you are an athlete, a celebrity, a rich man or a pauper, when times like these happen all of that stuff no longer matters. Take away all of that stuff and we are all the same.
His wife, his remaining children, the families of the other 7 victims, all of them are hurting people right now.
It is our duty as Christians to pray that God will comfort them and to help them through such a tragedy.
As for his alleged "sins", God Almighty will be the final judge of that. Not man.
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I am a professional helicopter pilot and instructor pilot at Ft. Rucker. Helicopters are actually very safe and do not crash as often as people think. Look into the number of fatal small airplane crashes vs helicopter crashes. Most accidents involve human error, it doesn’t matter how safe the aircraft if the pilot has a lapse in judgement or gets in over their head often they and other people pay the price.
It is absolutely sad that this has happened and I pray for his family especially if his daughter was onboard. Don’t you think it’s odd that it’s an S-76? Those are reliable aircraft. If you would have told me a Robinson I wouldn’t be shocked but to hear it was an S-76 leads me to believe that something extraordinary happened I hadn’t heard it was an S-76. Those are really good helicopters and most are instrumented for instrument flight. Someone mentioned earlier that it was possibly foggy, they could have gone IIMC and/ or gotten SD. That combination of inadvertent followed by spatial-d has killed a lot of people. It is pure speculation at this point on my part but I wouldn’t rule that out. I am guessing by your handle you know a thing or two about helicopters, so you know as much as I do that mechanical failure is very rare. I have a son that is currently a Night Stalker and know what it means. Thank you for your service. Most of my knowledge is on the 47s but I’ve been around a few. Good on your son!! I still work with them now on the civilian side and It was an honor to serve
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Great ball player terrible human being. Davey Stevie Ray Bill Graham I'll never ride one them death traps. So; other than the he said/ she said event 17 years ago, what has he done before or after, to be rated a "terrible human being" ?? RIP Kobe; enjoyed watching you play and lead; strength to the family and friends
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Just remember guys he was not the only person on there. 8 other human beings lost their life also.
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Great ball player terrible human being. Davey Stevie Ray Bill Graham I'll never ride one them death traps. So; other than the he said/ she said event 17 years ago, what has he done before or after, to be rated a "terrible human being" ?? RIP Kobe; enjoyed watching you play and lead; strength to the family and friends Great ball player terrible human being. Davey Stevie Ray Bill Graham I'll never ride one them death traps. So; other than the he said/ she said event 17 years ago, what has he done before or after, to be rated a "terrible human being" ?? RIP Kobe; enjoyed watching you play and lead; strength to the family and friends
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Just remember guys he was not the only person on there. 8 other human beings lost their life also. Agreed ;strength to ALL the families and friends
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Dang, by looking at that picture I fear the chopper may have been full of kids, Gigi's teamates going to the basketball camp. I saw another article earlier that said that a former University of Houston baseball player and coach, John Altobelli, along with his wife and daughter (who played on the same team) were among those killed in the crash. https://abc13.com/former-uh-baseball-player-killed-in-california-helicopter-crash/5880911/
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If that's true it just keeps getting worse.
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as a parent, the loss of the teenagers onboard is heart wrenching to hear - besides the loss of an NBA superstar & other coaches ... it's hard for me to hear about kids dying ... prayers for all families involved ...
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Sad situation all the way around prayers for all involved.
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So if a guy says it is consensual and the female says it isn’t, it isn’t rape. Gotcha.
So Mr. Defense Attorney, if a woman says it's rape, it's rape. Gotcha, Doesn't matter that this chick had recently spent time in a psych ward in the hospital for trying to commit suicide on two separate occasions just previous to this supposed rape. Doesn't matter that she was taking anti-schizo medications. Doesn't matter that she waited at the hotel for 3 hours past her shift ending for Kobe to arrive. Doesn't matter that she voluntarily made 3 separate trips up to Kobe's room that night. Doesn't matter that the panties she wore to her medical exam contained semen and a hair follicle that didn't belong to Kobe (she claims that she "accidentally" put on a pair of dirty panties). Doesn't matter that the night auditor (a woman) spoke with the accuser as she was leaving, and said she didn't look or sound like there was a problem. Doesn't matter that she was admitted telling several lies to the investigator. I don't pretend to know if he raped her or not, but I'm not going to call Kobe a rapist or sexual predator or otherwise without any other knowledge than "she said so".
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So if a guy says it is consensual and the female says it isn’t, it isn’t rape. Gotcha.
So Mr. Defense Attorney, if a woman says it's rape, it's rape. Gotcha, Doesn't matter that this chick had recently spent time in a psych ward in the hospital for trying to commit suicide on two separate occasions just previous to this supposed rape. Doesn't matter that she was taking anti-schizo medications. Doesn't matter that she waited at the hotel for 3 hours past her shift ending for Kobe to arrive. Doesn't matter that she voluntarily made 3 separate trips up to Kobe's room that night. Doesn't matter that the panties she wore to her medical exam contained semen and a hair follicle that didn't belong to Kobe (she claims that she "accidentally" put on a pair of dirty panties). Doesn't matter that the night auditor (a woman) spoke with the accuser as she was leaving, and said she didn't look or sound like there was a problem. Doesn't matter that she was admitted telling several lies to the investigator. I don't pretend to know if he raped her or not, but I'm not going to call Kobe a rapist or sexual predator or otherwise without any other knowledge than "she said so". Yea I was just thinking, President Trump and Justice Kavanaugh would both be in Prison right now...…
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I fly a bunch in Cessna and an aeronica champ but no way I’m getting in a helicopter. No way Yeah at least with an airplane and loss of power, theres some amount of glide possible.....with a helicopter you're just dropping like a rock. Which is perfectly safe if you have sufficient altitude and still have control of your rotor head.
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So if a guy says it is consensual and the female says it isn’t, it isn’t rape. Gotcha.
So Mr. Defense Attorney, if a woman says it's rape, it's rape. Gotcha, Doesn't matter that this chick had recently spent time in a psych ward in the hospital for trying to commit suicide on two separate occasions just previous to this supposed rape. Doesn't matter that she was taking anti-schizo medications. Doesn't matter that she waited at the hotel for 3 hours past her shift ending for Kobe to arrive. Doesn't matter that she voluntarily made 3 separate trips up to Kobe's room that night. Doesn't matter that the panties she wore to her medical exam contained semen and a hair follicle that didn't belong to Kobe (she claims that she "accidentally" put on a pair of dirty panties). Doesn't matter that the night auditor (a woman) spoke with the accuser as she was leaving, and said she didn't look or sound like there was a problem. Doesn't matter that she was admitted telling several lies to the investigator. I don't pretend to know if he raped her or not, but I'm not going to call Kobe a rapist or sexual predator or otherwise without any other knowledge than "she said so". I honestly have always thought the same. That was one of those rare times where I just couldn't get behind the so-called victim as things just didn't add up.
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