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Heavy arrows #2973621
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For y’all that shoot heavy arrows (500-600gr). What fletching’s do y’all like the best? Should I start with an over spined arrow to begin with? Arrow will probably be a Easton 5mm FMJ and will be 27-27.5” With a 200 gr single bevel broadhead.

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Blazers work good
One trick to building a heavy arrow is to get a higher front of center not just get the overall arrow weight up.
Which in turn reguires less fletching to stabilize the arrow in flight unless your using a real big fixed blade head.
And yes you will start with a stiffer spined arrow and add point weight which softens the spine down
I know you said you was gone use fmj but go to victory arrows web site they a online deal where you build out a arrow and it will give you the recommended spine it ain't specific to there arrows .

Re: Heavy arrows [Re: jrs89] #2973741
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I shoot a 30" GT, 100gr brass insert, 200 gr head, vanes. Total weight is 570gr. Head is a 160 STOS with 40gr broadhead adapter.


I've spent most of the money I've made in my lifetime on hunting and fishing. The rest I just wasted.....

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Re: Heavy arrows [Re: jrs89] #2974125
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Not sure where in Calhoun co you are but I'm not that far from you be glad to help you out with any questions or building up some arrows to try

Re: Heavy arrows [Re: jrs89] #2974878
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I like to be between 9-10 grains per pound.

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30in FMJ 340’s with 75gr brass inserts, 145gr broadhead, Blazer vanes ... total weight 560gr +/-


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What type bow are you shooting and the poundage?

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Dang, i thought my 480 grain arrows were heavy


Yeah cmon. Daniel White
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Originally Posted by tfd1224
Dang, i thought my 480 grain arrows were heavy

lol, I'm shooting 463 out of both bows and punching through elk so, I don't plan on changing anytime soon.

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I’m all for heavy arrows but 600 grains would put me through a live oak. Mines somewhere between 450 to 475 and for a thin deer it’ll punch through both shoulders

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I used to think I had a shoulder puncher set up....570gr arra at 270fps. Then I hit a buck in the shoulder. Penetration not so much.


I've spent most of the money I've made in my lifetime on hunting and fishing. The rest I just wasted.....

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Ordered some axis 300s. 11.8 gpi I think. They were only $25 for 6 from Lancaster. Gonna put 75gr brass inserts and try 150gr broadheads.

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I'm in the process of building my first heavy arrows. I bought some of the grizzly stik momentum TDT 240s a month or so ago. Planning now on tipping them with the grizzly stik 75gr brass insert/outserts and looking hard at either the 200gr Maasai or 200gr Cutthroat broadheads.

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Originally Posted by jrs89
Ordered some axis 300s. 11.8 gpi I think. They were only $25 for 6 from Lancaster. Gonna put 75gr brass inserts and try 150gr broadheads.

I tinkered with 150gr heads and went back to 125 due to the limited options. Double check your head options before jumping. I was back to 125 before season ever started and just went with a heavier insert. If ya like the 150gr head, I say do it

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Originally Posted by BhamFred
I used to think I had a shoulder puncher set up....570gr arra at 270fps. Then I hit a buck in the shoulder. Penetration not so much.

That's good speed at 570. My 70# bows pushing the 468gr at 278 fps in comfort. I could switch to performance and get about another 8fps but, I'm not.
Shoulder bones typically win out it seems. When someone hits a bull in the shoulder, it's obvious from the shot. I watched one go for about 500yds and start rounding up cows lol

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the buck I shoulder shot had come 300 yards straight to my tree an hour after I rattled at him. He turned inward just as I hit the release, resulting in a shoulder hit. He ran, walked 75 yards and lay down. I was waiting for him to drop his head and another buck came and made him get up. He went another 200 yards across a field and lay down on the edge of the field. Recovered him at dark and had to put another area in him to anchor him. Head was a big Simmons very sharp. No such thing as a shoulder buster bow set up.


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Re: Heavy arrows [Re: Coosa1] #2987143
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Originally Posted by Coosa1
I'm in the process of building my first heavy arrows. I bought some of the grizzly stik momentum TDT 240s a month or so ago. Planning now on tipping them with the grizzly stik 75gr brass insert/outserts and looking hard at either the 200gr Maasai or 200gr Cutthroat broadheads.

I may order the Maasai’s.

Re: Heavy arrows [Re: BhamFred] #2987241
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Originally Posted by BhamFred
I used to think I had a shoulder puncher set up....570gr arra at 270fps. Then I hit a buck in the shoulder. Penetration not so much.


Exactly. There’s one spot in that shoulder you ain’t getting an arrow through with enough penetration for a lethal hit. All of these folks with these “shoulder buster” arrows haven’t hit it yet.


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Originally Posted by Shaw
Originally Posted by BhamFred
I used to think I had a shoulder puncher set up....570gr arra at 270fps. Then I hit a buck in the shoulder. Penetration not so much.


Exactly. There’s one spot in that shoulder you ain’t getting an arrow through with enough penetration for a lethal hit. All of these folks with these “shoulder buster” arrows haven’t hit it yet.

So true


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Originally Posted by BhamFred
No such thing as a shoulder buster bow set up.


Right, and the guys up here are trying to make them for elk. You'll punch scapula but not that big bone...

Re: Heavy arrows [Re: jrs89] #3034291
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Bringing an old thread back, but a good interview is out there on The Hunting Public's podcast with Troy Fowler, a.k.a. the "Ranch Fairy". He's primarily a pig hunter and outfitter in TX, but the insights and experience he's got hunting with heavy arrows is pretty interesting to listen to.

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Yeah, I've watched his stuff. I'm putting together some 612gr. projectiles for hogs.

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I shot a 250 pound boar with a 1 1/2 shield with my 570 grain arra, penetration was thru the near shoulder and stopped at the skin on opp shoulder, he went maybe 20 yards.


I've spent most of the money I've made in my lifetime on hunting and fishing. The rest I just wasted.....

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I have NO reason to shoot arrows that heavy. 700+ grains be floating in the air too long for my type hunting.

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Have y’all seen these heads? They look good!
Pricey but have lifetime warranty

https://www.ironwilloutfitters.com/fixed-blade-broadheads

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the German Kinetics I shoot cost the same and are worth every penny.


I've spent most of the money I've made in my lifetime on hunting and fishing. The rest I just wasted.....

proud Cracker-Americaan

muslims are like coyotes, only good one is a dead one
Re: Heavy arrows [Re: BhamFred] #3039220
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Originally Posted by BhamFred
the German Kinetics I shoot cost the same and are worth every penny.

I was looking at these online the other day Troy. What grain broadhead are you shooting?


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Slippin, shooting 180 gr heads. Those heads will stay sharp all season and are like a scalpel sharp.


I've spent most of the money I've made in my lifetime on hunting and fishing. The rest I just wasted.....

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What kind of inserts are you heavy arrow fellers using? I’ve never actually built an arrow myself, just bought them from a pro shop cut to length with whatever inserts they installed. I’d like to take a crack at this “hand loading” heavy arrows idea this off season.

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I don't call my arrows heavy, I call them what I require. I want my arrows 450-500gr. Weight for penetration and a flatter trajectory. I'm not planning my hunts on short range shots, so I'm not shooting a 600+ grain arrow. My arrows have a 42gr insert and 125gr tips, total weight 463gr. I have the penetration I need which was proven on my bull this year. I do have some 150gr tip I may shoot at a bear this year, still undecided. I still like to play with arrow weights and my chrono. Y'day I shot 3 weights with 2 different bows.

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Compound bow vs recurve are in play as well, no one has really mentioned what type bow they're shooting

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I'm shooting 570gr out of a 52# recurve.


I've spent most of the money I've made in my lifetime on hunting and fishing. The rest I just wasted.....

proud Cracker-Americaan

muslims are like coyotes, only good one is a dead one
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Originally Posted by BhamFred
I'm shooting 570gr out of a 52# recurve.

I had a bear bow I think was 52#, wish I still had it.

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Current hunting arrows are at 460gr out of a 70 lb compound they will prettyuch shoot through anything I need them to
For our Western trip this fall I'm gone be at around 420 with a pretty good foc and try and gain a lil speed for antelope

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