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POA/POI - TSS vs Bird Shot #2972981
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Would POI be different between a TSS shell (say an Apex) and your run-of-the-mill birdshot, like it would be shooting different rounds through a rifle? Or would you expect the POI to be the generally the same?

I ask because I've got a handful of TSS that I still haven't gotten around to patterning in my new-to-me 20ga....I have a couple each of about 3 or 4 different loads to try out before I buy a box to hunt with. Before I shoot them, I was going to shoot some bird shot to make sure the gun shoots generally where I point it, and have adjustable rifle sights to move POI if necessary....but if I "sight it in" with the bird shot, can I expect the Apex to hit generally the same spot or no?

I just don't want to fire an $8-10 TSS at a poster board and have part of the pattern off the paper....


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Re: POA/POI - TSS vs Bird Shot [Re: GomerPyle] #2972991
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It will be close enough to set sights.

Re: POA/POI - TSS vs Bird Shot [Re: GomerPyle] #2972993
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I'm not a TSS expert but my experience with ammunition says "yes" they will pattern different. The TSS density is different from lead and should pattern differently.


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Re: POA/POI - TSS vs Bird Shot [Re: GomerPyle] #2972997
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I do the same. Sight in with an old lead turkey load and then check the tss. Mine has only required minimal poi movement to get to poa. If tss pattern wasn't so tight, I probably wouldn't have moved the sight s at all, except I'm ocd.

Re: POA/POI - TSS vs Bird Shot [Re: blade] #2973007
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Originally Posted by blade
I do the same. Sight in with an old lead turkey load and then check the tss. Mine has only required minimal poi movement to get to poa. If tss pattern wasn't so tight, I probably wouldn't have moved the sight s at all, except I'm ocd.


Yeah, now that I think about it was given some 20ga Longbeards when I got the gun, so I'll "sight it in" with those.....Maybe they'll be closer than regular old dove loads.


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Re: POA/POI - TSS vs Bird Shot [Re: GomerPyle] #2973033
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You can rough it in with dove loads at 10 yards. The problem is that the dove loads don’t hold together well enough for me to tell where it’s at anywhere past 20 yards. I rough it in at 10-20 with dove loads and then do my final adjustment at 40. Generally from what I’ve seen, if you rough it in at 20 with doves loads, the tss will be a little low at 40 yards.

Re: POA/POI - TSS vs Bird Shot [Re: Hevishot13] #2973046
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Originally Posted by Hevishot13
You can rough it in with dove loads at 10 yards. The problem is that the dove loads don’t hold together well enough for me to tell where it’s at anywhere past 20 yards. I rough it in at 10-20 with dove loads and then do my final adjustment at 40. Generally from what I’ve seen, if you rough it in at 20 with doves loads, the tss will be a little low at 40 yards.


Good deal.....I think I'll do that at 20 with the dove loads, then shoot the longbeards at 40 before shooting the TSS. Hell, if I can't get it where I need it doing that, I got bigger problems


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Re: POA/POI - TSS vs Bird Shot [Re: GomerPyle] #2973548
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Anytime I have sighted in a new red dot sight on a shotgun I would start with dove loads at 10 yards. Then I move to 20. The pattern with them spread too wide past that point but this has usually put me pretty close with the heavier turkey loads at 40 yards.


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Re: POA/POI - TSS vs Bird Shot [Re: GomerPyle] #2973550
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I have used the high brass rios. As others have said, it will get you real close out to 20yds or so, then you gotta spend some money.


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Re: POA/POI - TSS vs Bird Shot [Re: GomerPyle] #2973908
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I sighted mine in with cheap dove loads and then shot one tss...it hit high..soo i just been aimin at their waddels...kilt several now like that with nary a one gettin away.


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Re: POA/POI - TSS vs Bird Shot [Re: GomerPyle] #2974934
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Every gun I've shot with tss shoots high. Some more than others.


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Re: POA/POI - TSS vs Bird Shot [Re: North40R] #2975023
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Originally Posted by North40R
Every gun I've shot with tss shoots high. Some more than others.

X2


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Re: POA/POI - TSS vs Bird Shot [Re: Bustinbeards] #2975466
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Originally Posted by Bustinbeards
Originally Posted by North40R
Every gun I've shot with tss shoots high. Some more than others.

X2

Not me, mine are always low. I am left handed though, wonder if that makes some sort of difference

Re: POA/POI - TSS vs Bird Shot [Re: Hevishot13] #2975471
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Originally Posted by Hevishot13
Originally Posted by Bustinbeards
Originally Posted by North40R
Every gun I've shot with tss shoots high. Some more than others.

X2

Not me, mine are always low. I am left handed though, wonder if that makes some sort of difference

Probably, everything is backwards for left handed folks! laugh


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Re: POA/POI - TSS vs Bird Shot [Re: Bustinbeards] #2975495
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Originally Posted by Bustinbeards
Originally Posted by Hevishot13
Originally Posted by Bustinbeards
Originally Posted by North40R
Every gun I've shot with tss shoots high. Some more than others.

X2

Not me, mine are always low. I am left handed though, wonder if that makes some sort of difference

Probably, everything is backwards for left handed folks! laugh

Dang! I'm a lefty...........this changes everything!


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Re: POA/POI - TSS vs Bird Shot [Re: GomerPyle] #2976256
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I use dove loads at 10 yds then check it at 40 yds. Mine was dead on using an 835, IC choke, and Apex 9s.

Re: POA/POI - TSS vs Bird Shot [Re: GomerPyle] #2978312
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You don't "Sight In" a Damn' Shotgun....You PATTERN IT. If it throughs a good pattern with whatever but shoots high/low..left/right...You adjust the Drop or warp the Barrel. And optical sights on a Shotgun....God only mean't those for Deer Slug Hunters!! The Hunting World is Suffering....

Re: POA/POI - TSS vs Bird Shot [Re: Festus] #2978334
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Originally Posted by Festus
You don't "Sight In" a Damn' Shotgun....You PATTERN IT. If it throughs a good pattern with whatever but shoots high/low..left/right...You adjust the Drop or warp the Barrel. And optical sights on a Shotgun....God only mean't those for Deer Slug Hunters!! The Hunting World is Suffering....


Reckon how many turkeys you done missed with that warped barrel Festus? smile


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Re: POA/POI - TSS vs Bird Shot [Re: Festus] #2978387
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Originally Posted by Festus
You don't "Sight In" a Damn' Shotgun....You PATTERN IT. If it throughs a good pattern with whatever but shoots high/low..left/right...You adjust the Drop or warp the Barrel. And optical sights on a Shotgun....God only mean't those for Deer Slug Hunters!! The Hunting World is Suffering....

And once again


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Re: POA/POI - TSS vs Bird Shot [Re: TurkeyJoe] #2978392
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Originally Posted by TurkeyJoe
Originally Posted by Festus
You don't "Sight In" a Damn' Shotgun....You PATTERN IT. If it throughs a good pattern with whatever but shoots high/low..left/right...You adjust the Drop or warp the Barrel. And optical sights on a Shotgun....God only mean't those for Deer Slug Hunters!! The Hunting World is Suffering....


Reckon how many turkeys you done missed with that warped barrel Festus? smile

Joe he doesn’t miss with that almighty 10 gauge! Kills em @70 yards all day


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