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"That's a good, mature buck!"
#2960479
11/18/19 05:09 PM
11/18/19 05:09 PM
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Joined: Dec 2002
Posts: 51,953 Round ‘bout there
Clem
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Round ‘bout there
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When you guys kill a buck do you age it by taking out the jawbone and giving the molars a good once-over, even if that's not the most 100% best way to age deer?
Or do you look at a little gray in the face and maybe a torn ear or broken tine tip and pronounce it "mature" without aging otherwise?
I see this sometimes, and especially with does. "That's an old, mature doe. See how her ear flops over?"
What's your mechanism for aging a buck or doe to keep accurate records for your property or club?
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Re: "That's a good, mature buck!"
[Re: Clem]
#2960488
11/18/19 05:24 PM
11/18/19 05:24 PM
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Joined: Nov 2015
Posts: 14,088 Chilton County
MarksOutdoors
Booner
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Booner
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I'm no expert at all, but neck size, belly sway, muzzle color.
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Re: "That's a good, mature buck!"
[Re: Clem]
#2960491
11/18/19 05:31 PM
11/18/19 05:31 PM
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Joined: Oct 2006
Posts: 7,751 Montgomery, AL
Hunting-231
14 point
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14 point
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We haven't pulled jawbones in years, but we used to send them off to the biologist (back when we had doe tags). We provide live weight and record the sex (with number of points if buck) and IF the doe is lactating.
Bucks, more often than not - based on size (not a good indicator (the bucks in Montgomery County generally weigh a little more) - 175-ish 3-1/2, 190-ish 4-1/5, 200+- 5-1/2+). I've never used gray as an indicator. When I hunted Montgomery County - we had pictures of most of the deer we would kill, so we had some photographic reference before pulling the trigger. During the rut - all bets are off on the weight. I killed a very large 8-point several years ago that was pretty light (182) for his frame, the taxidermist jawbone aged him at 5-1/2+ - I have the jawbone somewhere around the house that if I can find it, I'll post the picture.
Does - I normally open their mouths and run my finger across their teeth and check the sharpness, wear, and enamel. This is also not a good indicator based on soil type, but in Montgomery and Bullock county - the soil is not sandy, so I don't expect excessive wear from what they eat.
I personally have never used ears as an indicator
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Re: "That's a good, mature buck!"
[Re: Clem]
#2960510
11/18/19 06:01 PM
11/18/19 06:01 PM
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Joined: Jul 2010
Posts: 9,160 B'ham
Goatkiller
14 point
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14 point
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I just don't think pulling the jawbone is necessary we all know what a mature deer looks like.
I might be a 14 inch spike on one side or a nice symetrical 10pt. Is it 4 yo or 5 yo? Who cares. You should be astonished it made it past 3 without taking a bullet.
It ain't a 4 inch 4 point.
Reality says - Not a lot of guesswork involved.
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Re: "That's a good, mature buck!"
[Re: Remington270]
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11/18/19 07:14 PM
11/18/19 07:14 PM
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Posts: 16,825 Banana Republic
jb20
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Old Mossy Horns
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Body size for bucks. I don't kill does, and don't pay attention to their age. Pretty much my thinking I can 1 2 and 3+ just cant distinguish differnce over 3 so once they hit 3 they mature to me 😃
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Re: "That's a good, mature buck!"
[Re: Goatkiller]
#2960621
11/18/19 07:50 PM
11/18/19 07:50 PM
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Joined: Feb 2013
Posts: 6,095 Anniston, AL
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ishootatbux
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I just don't think pulling the jawbone is necessary we all know what a mature deer looks like.
I might be a 14 inch spike on one side or a nice symetrical 10pt. Is it 4 yo or 5 yo? Who cares. You should be astonished it made it past 3 without taking a bullet.
It ain't a 4 inch 4 point.
Reality says - Not a lot of guesswork involved.
Same. It's really not scientific to me, I guess I just know it when I see it. And the way I hunt I don't normally have the leisure of viewing that deer for any length of time, I hunt a military base mostly and it's all big woods and cutovers. Lots of times the deer might've been jumped. It's usually just "Oh crap, there's a good un, BANG!" Sometimes you get down and walk over to him and there's a little ground shrinkage, maybe he's a 3.5 year old 15" wide 8pt. Next time he's 130" and the biologist says 6+. Those two deer would be fairly distinguishly different on a food plot together, relaxed with plenty of binocular time. But most of us can't / won't tell them apart slipping through a chest high cutover at 100 yards, going in the direction of that other guy's headlamp you saw this morning. Hurry up, BANG!!! But for me there's just no scenario where I'm gonna shoot a piss willy, those deer are always obvious.
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Re: "That's a good, mature buck!"
[Re: jlbuc10]
#2960659
11/18/19 08:25 PM
11/18/19 08:25 PM
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Joined: Jun 2013
Posts: 52,185 Gee's Bend/At The Hog Pen
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I’ve never pulled a jawbone on a mature buck I’ve killed. Scared I’d mess the cape up for the mount. I’ve never killed a mature “cull” that wasn’t going on my wall. That's why you get a Taxidermist to pull it after he's caped it 😀
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Re: "That's a good, mature buck!"
[Re: Clem]
#2960664
11/18/19 08:29 PM
11/18/19 08:29 PM
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It’s very simple to pop a jaw bone out on a deer getting caped. Slide the bar down the outside of the both knocking tissue away. Reach back in with loppers and cut bone. Slide bar in back of mouth over the cut bone and it slide right out. Rocky Willamson thought me that way in Dallas county back in the early 90’s. We did it for clients all the time cause we figured once they left we’d never see the jawbone again
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Re: "That's a good, mature buck!"
[Re: Clem]
#2960707
11/18/19 08:59 PM
11/18/19 08:59 PM
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Joined: Nov 2002
Posts: 6,628 Moulton,AL
Snuffy
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I know a mature buck as soon as I see it. No need to pull jaw bones.
If you always do what you've always done you always get what you've always got
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Re: "That's a good, mature buck!"
[Re: jono23]
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11/18/19 10:14 PM
11/18/19 10:14 PM
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Posts: 10,414 Scottsboro, Al
jbatey1
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Lucky Bastage
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Usually check their wallet for an ID.
I've never killed a buck I wanted to know the age, but my old club did jaw bones for does too so I just went off that. I don’t have to check their ID after or during the fact. We have a bouncer at the gate that only lets 5.5+ deer into the club. We just know what works for us.
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Re: "That's a good, mature buck!"
[Re: Clem]
#2960833
11/18/19 10:25 PM
11/18/19 10:25 PM
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Joined: Apr 2012
Posts: 6,885 Tuscaloosa
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Usually by the number of brown paper bags I get from the processor. 3/4 bag=1 yr old 1 - 1 1/4 bag(s)= 2yr old 2 bags=3 yr old 2 + bags= mature(and I was a guest on somebody else’s place)
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Re: "That's a good, mature buck!"
[Re: 257wbymag]
#2960897
11/18/19 11:39 PM
11/18/19 11:39 PM
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Joined: Dec 2001
Posts: 13,901 AL
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It’s very simple to pop a jaw bone out on a deer getting caped. Slide the bar down the outside of the both knocking tissue away. Reach back in with loppers and cut bone. Slide bar in back of mouth over the cut bone and it slide right out. Rocky Willamson thought me that way in Dallas county back in the early 90’s. We did it for clients all the time cause we figured once they left we’d never see the jawbone again Yup. That's why those removal tools have the one side of the "L" that narrows down toward the end....so it'll fit right down between the cheek and gums.
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Have you tried Google?
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