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The State of Waterfowl
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10/25/19 09:15 AM
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Excellent! Any of you who are lifetime waterfowl hunters owe it to yourself to follow it.
Features 2 lifetime waterfowl biologists from the US and Canada, Larry Reynolds of LA, Paul Link NAWFP, Jim Ronquest of RNT, and Cason Short of Bill Byers Hunter Club.
Roundtable discussion of all the issues we THINK affect our hunting and their take on it backed up with data in most cases. They cover why ducks and geese are not in LA, TX, ARK as in the past, shortstopping (not), Agricultural practices, the effect of Canadian hunting on the resource, telemetry (which is awesome), pressure, and more.
And the devil himself, SWD's (not to be confused with CWD or STD lol) which have been around in numbers since the late 90's...lots if not all hunters under 35 have never seen decoys out without them.
Cason is Bill Byer's grandson and works the farm and the Hunter club. He is posting the discussion in easy to listen to 10-20 minute segments on the Bill Byers Hunter Club Facebook page. Bill was a huge proponent of rest areas and feed. We used to ride to Hunter just to see the waterfowl all around his place there in the 80's.
Start at the beginning and progress It's up to 11 clips right now
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Re: The State of Waterfowl
[Re: JayHook2]
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10/25/19 09:30 PM
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cartervj
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Thanks for the heads up.
I recall all the guide services I knew of and or hunted with had resting ponds and avoided them at all cost. Casons place hunted til a certain time and that was it.
We used to never stay in our holes past 8 in the early season and 9 in the later part of the season. Now folks stay all day. Chase ducks up and down the river. Even shooting into rafts of ducks.
Its no wonder they no longer stick around.
Used to flush them out and shoot them when they back. The aide days have been long gone for years now.
“Socialism only works in two places: Heaven where they don't need it and hell where they already have it.” ― Ronald Reagan
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Re: The State of Waterfowl
[Re: cartervj]
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10/27/19 07:46 AM
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Drake322
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Used to flush them out and shoot them when they back. The aide days have been long gone for years now.
We used to do that a lot around the islands over BB Comer Bridge in Gville.
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Re: The State of Waterfowl
[Re: Spec]
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10/30/19 08:38 AM
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IMO SWD’s and hunting pressure are the 2 key factors affecting ducking hunting. Use to 1-2 blinds on 1000 acres that only were usually hunted by friend and family. Now that 1000 acres has 5-6 and some big wig is paying $65,000 for it and has 4-5 SWD’s in each blind. Can’t call? Just put a SWD out. Wanna be a guide and can’t call? Put a SWD out. When birds stop coming in to late in the year they blame it on birds getting smarter. Wrong, it’s the fact most of the young birds are dead by the end of season. It’s sad to see where duck hunting has ended up. Amazing I guided 10 yrs and rarely used a SWD, never grew a beard, painted my face, decorated my gun with starting stickers, carried 10 calls, had a shock collar on my lab or shot 3.5” shells. Lots of truth here Spec! I carry one duck call and one speck call and since all we hunt is specks I could do without the duck call. Shoot a 870 that i have had for 46 years. Trained 2 HR dogs with no shock collar and quit that game and judging when they started handing out passes for participating. We shoot 2 3/4" BB's and kill em over the decoys. Before this SOW, I had 3 things that in mind that made duck hunting what it is today. !. SWD's were the devil reincarnated. 2. Canadian hunting of waterfowl was a very bad influence for several reasons. and 3. Every parcel of habitat is hunted from Canada to Venice, LA and birds can't rest anywhere unless the season is closed. When I see face paint, 3 1/2' guns with ultra-tight chokes HeviShot, see 40-11 calls on a stiff lanyard, backpacks with MOJOs, mud motors where they aren't needed, wearing waders in the truck, dog in the box wearing e-collar, $500 parka when its sunny and 50 degrees...I think back to a 15 ft aluminum boat with a 25 Johnson and pushpole,, a pump gun, 18 Flambeau or G and H decoys (which you couldn't beat the paint off of), a jerk string, sitting on my waders with the dog sitting at the front in the bottom of the boat to level out the ride and how simple it was and still can be. Toys can never replace Know How and Google Earth can never replace boat in the water or boots on the ground...
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Re: The State of Waterfowl
[Re: juice]
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10/30/19 02:01 PM
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I’d pay good money for spinners to be outlawed. I hate those things with a passion So you don't own or use one?
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Re: The State of Waterfowl
[Re: JayHook2]
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10/30/19 03:38 PM
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The season of hate is getting close isn't it?
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Re: The State of Waterfowl
[Re: Abbhudson]
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10/30/19 04:38 PM
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I’d pay good money for spinners to be outlawed. I hate those things with a passion So you don't own or use one? I do not use them either. Jerk string only. There is a generation of younger duck hunters that grew up no knowing you could go hunting without one...like Florida and Texas deer hunters with no corn! LOL
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Re: The State of Waterfowl
[Re: juice]
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10/30/19 08:19 PM
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I call it the Phil Robertson effect. I can assure you the craziness surrounding duck hunting has been around well before duck dynasty. I quit going to AR in the late 90s because of all the boat ramp and timber hole fighting. I actually rarely went duck hunting in the early 2000s. Crazy is an understatement and the shear amount of money involved is dumbfounding. I tried to get a wealthy guy to buy Greenbriar when it was up for sale way back when for 1.6 million. He’d made a small fortune if had bought it back then. Not like he needs any more money.
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Re: The State of Waterfowl
[Re: JayHook2]
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10/30/19 08:51 PM
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There was time when Waterfowling was Gentleman's sport, then the competition began and it has been a race to the bottom since.
I could list numerous things but those that have been around already know.
I've talked with guys that have 20 plus in whole, rotating out so others can't get close. They'll pay hole sitters and then wear em out. I doubt many ducks stick around the area as this continually happens.
“Socialism only works in two places: Heaven where they don't need it and hell where they already have it.” ― Ronald Reagan
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Re: The State of Waterfowl
[Re: juice]
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10/30/19 11:11 PM
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I can agree with everything that has been said but...…………...what the hell does an ecollar on a dog have to do with being a new duck hunter? I have a freaking field champion that is also a Grand Champion and that joker will have an ecollar on his neck anytime he hunts. That's about the most ignorant argument I've ever heard That’s all I needed to hear as a guide “ my dog is a grand national/ hunt trial champion “. My response is bring your waders cause I’m not getting out of the blind and I am dang sure not listening to a whistle every 2 seconds. My dog retrieved birds not plastic bumpers. Yes I had him on a whistle but only if I needed to direct him. I did learn he knew where the birds where better than me. I’m not saying your dog isn’t great. I’d rather someone talk about my wife than my dog. I am saying my dog had more than 16,000 retrieves in 13 seasons. That includes teal, bid duck and goose season. BTW never used an e-collar or threw rocks.:
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Re: The State of Waterfowl
[Re: cartervj]
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10/31/19 07:41 AM
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They'll pay hole sitters and then wear em out. What does this mean?
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Re: The State of Waterfowl
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10/31/19 07:50 AM
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DAMN guys, thread went to hell quick didn't it?
I have not been around any GREAT dogs, but have been around some good ones. Whining in the blind I cannot stand. Dog busting out of the blind as soon as someone stands up to shoot is another one.
One thing you have to remember, duck hunting will evolve and change like deer hunting. Some will stick with it, new ones will enter the sport, some will quit, and some will just start loosing the passion, like me. But, before I started loosing the passion, I passed it to my Son who is eat up with it! He is so obsessed, he has been to North Dakota last two years with his friends and loved it.
Wish I still had a hard on for it like he does....................................................
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Re: The State of Waterfowl
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10/31/19 08:34 AM
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Phil had some good videos. Him and Warren Coco shooting humpback 16's with lead sitting on buckets amongst the decoys....shooting deer out of the duck blind...spitting in a shell hull...it's raining jacks boys (may be my all-time favorite). One of my favorites too. I enjoy those videos.
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Re: The State of Waterfowl
[Re: Spec]
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10/31/19 10:58 AM
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Don't let ignorance get in the way of a good story. I have no idea how many ducks any of my dogs have picked up hunting but I know I can only count a couple in the timber that didn't get recovered over their lifetimes. I can agree with everything that has been said but...…………...what the hell does an ecollar on a dog have to do with being a new duck hunter? I have a freaking field champion that is also a Grand Champion and that joker will have an ecollar on his neck anytime he hunts. That's about the most ignorant argument I've ever heard That’s all I needed to hear as a guide “ my dog is a grand national/ hunt trial champion “. My response is bring your waders cause I’m not getting out of the blind and I am dang sure not listening to a whistle every 2 seconds. My dog retrieved birds not plastic bumpers. Yes I had him on a whistle but only if I needed to direct him. I did learn he knew where the birds where better than me. I’m not saying your dog isn’t great. I’d rather someone talk about my wife than my dog. I am saying my dog had more than 16,000 retrieves in 13 seasons. That includes teal, bid duck and goose season. BTW never used an e-collar or threw rocks.:
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Re: The State of Waterfowl
[Re: juice]
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10/31/19 11:06 AM
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And do me a favor, if your going to make fun of a dogs accomplishments try and get it right. Juice is an FC GRHRCH, the only one in the history of the world. I don't send semen all over the country because he's common. You sound like the one guide I hunted with in my life. After the first few volleys he realized my dog Rowdy was just a bit different than his dog with thousands of retrieves under his belt, so he said anyway. Ole fido didn't get sent anymore after the embarrassment wore off and he finally choked down his pride. The guy would have fainted had he hunted over Juice Don't let ignorance get in the way of a good story. I have no idea how many ducks any of my dogs have picked up hunting but I know I can only count a couple in the timber that didn't get recovered over their lifetimes. I can agree with everything that has been said but...…………...what the hell does an ecollar on a dog have to do with being a new duck hunter? I have a freaking field champion that is also a Grand Champion and that joker will have an ecollar on his neck anytime he hunts. That's about the most ignorant argument I've ever heard That’s all I needed to hear as a guide “ my dog is a grand national/ hunt trial champion “. My response is bring your waders cause I’m not getting out of the blind and I am dang sure not listening to a whistle every 2 seconds. My dog retrieved birds not plastic bumpers. Yes I had him on a whistle but only if I needed to direct him. I did learn he knew where the birds where better than me. I’m not saying your dog isn’t great. I’d rather someone talk about my wife than my dog. I am saying my dog had more than 16,000 retrieves in 13 seasons. That includes teal, bid duck and goose season. BTW never used an e-collar or threw rocks.:
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Re: The State of Waterfowl
[Re: Drake322]
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10/31/19 11:12 AM
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Duck hunting has changed a lot just in the last few years. The public woods we hunt in Arkansas have turned into a circus even more so than they were already. The 4am rule has just made it worse if you ask me. We have a couple field leases just as a byproduct of the woods being so crowded. Id much rather be in the timber than a pit but there are times you can't even get around on the black thanks to the crowds. Years when there is low water its even worse--everyone is condensed. Let the river get out and it helps a lot. As far as the dogs--no one should have to put up with a vocal or breaking dog. There is nothing worse than listening to noise--most people have no idea how to address it and therefore they let the dogs turn into monsters. DAMN guys, thread went to hell quick didn't it?
I have not been around any GREAT dogs, but have been around some good ones. Whining in the blind I cannot stand. Dog busting out of the blind as soon as someone stands up to shoot is another one.
One thing you have to remember, duck hunting will evolve and change like deer hunting. Some will stick with it, new ones will enter the sport, some will quit, and some will just start loosing the passion, like me. But, before I started loosing the passion, I passed it to my Son who is eat up with it! He is so obsessed, he has been to North Dakota last two years with his friends and loved it.
Wish I still had a hard on for it like he does....................................................
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Re: The State of Waterfowl
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Folks used to pay guys to sit on their holes overnight to hold it--some still do I'm sure but your not supposed to be in the GTR's after 1 anymore. Not long ago you could stay in a hole overnight if you felt like it--that's what they are referencing. They'll pay hole sitters and then wear em out. What does this mean?
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Re: The State of Waterfowl
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10/31/19 01:23 PM
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This thread is great. Y'all keep going.
But please, encourage your kids to do it. We've gotta get the next generation in, whether you agree with their approach or not.
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Re: The State of Waterfowl
[Re: TickaTicka]
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10/31/19 02:09 PM
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I agree. We get a bunch of kids out every year and you hook a few and some you don’t. A few youngsters had their first hunts last year on a morning we just happened to kill 60 big ducks by 10. Wind was wrong and they were shooting em in the ass but it was a good day. I got to run my dogs and let them get worn out, shot a couple ducks and watched a bunch of 10 year olds blow through a case of shells. It looked like a war had taken place when we cleaned up the shells!! This thread is great. Y'all keep going.
But please, encourage your kids to do it. We've gotta get the next generation in, whether you agree with their approach or not.
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Re: The State of Waterfowl
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10/31/19 02:59 PM
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My Son was 5 when I took him the first time. His first name is my call name on here. He is now 20. Still has his Charles Daly 20 youth. It has killed hundreds of ducks. He can run a call at his age way better than I ever was even when I was hunting 30+ days a year. I have got some pics of him on youth hunts at a friend's place holding three straps of Red Heads! Man that was a good day for the youth on that hunt. He had several more close to it until he turned 16.
There is one thing I will have before I check out of this world, hopefully. I want one more good dog. Period.
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Re: The State of Waterfowl
[Re: juice]
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10/31/19 08:23 PM
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I’ve never had a dog that hasn’t broken on a duck hunt. Juice has never broken in his life at any event but he fair caught a teal last year while I was taking a piss.
What part of Louisiana are you in? Lafayette. That is funny you say that about the dog and a teal. One of the last years my dog hunted he was swimming toward a downed bird and a about 5 green wings came in and lit on the water in front of him. He caught a drake by the ass. I would have mounted the bird but he beat his wings so hard I swear he only had a few feathers left on his wings.
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Re: The State of Waterfowl
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I’ve never hunted over that way any. I have a buddy that lives at shell beach if you know where that is. Closest city I can remember is Violet. They are outside Levi protection right on a canal. They have some private land near hopedale and we hunt the Biloxi marsh also. It’s been hit and miss and mostly miss the last few years. That Biloxi Marsh is pretty awesome though. Barely any hunting pressure compared to what we deal with in Arkansas but it’s one hell of a boat ride getting out there. I’ve never had a dog that hasn’t broken on a duck hunt. Juice has never broken in his life at any event but he fair caught a teal last year while I was taking a piss.
What part of Louisiana are you in? Lafayette. That is funny you say that about the dog and a teal. One of the last years my dog hunted he was swimming toward a downed bird and a about 5 green wings came in and lit on the water in front of him. He caught a drake by the ass. I would have mounted the bird but he beat his wings so hard I swear he only had a few feathers left on his wings.
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Re: The State of Waterfowl
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11/05/19 09:15 PM
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One thing that hasn't come ou yet and may not but i had a lengthy email conversation with one of the scientific members of that panel 3-4 year ago and he staed that it was obvious from band return data that goose wintering grounds are shifting roughly east and ducks to the west. the first 3-5 episodes almost have to muxh info to digest at once especially the stats on rice, crawfish ponds and habitat in LA I’ve heard that for several years now. I wonder how much truth there is to it. I can assure you the ducks I seen here in the 80s are no longer for whatever reason. I always blamed them traveling the Tombigbee instead of staying on The TN River. I’m agreeing with a majority of what the discussion is saying. SWDs have never been that big deal with me. These days they scare more than they bring in from my personal experiences.
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That’s pretty compelling.
Byers place always seems to hold a large number of specks. I wonder if that still holds true. I’d seen where they’ve been doing a lot of telemetry work with the specks.
I’d heard Kansas and Oklahoma are hotspots these days for ducks.
The snows and specs started flying thru Alabama in the mid 2000s if I recall correctly
Here’s the question and my lowly perspective. Has hunting pressure changed migrations that much. I know AR doesn’t seem to plant as much winter wheat as they did in the late 80s and early 90s. It’s evident just riding around. Could hat also be a reason the geese have gone east?
Dry field ducks is the norm in the upper Midwest yet it’s a rarity down this way. I remember my first trips to AR and seeing ducks with geese in dry wheat fields. I can’t recall any recent years of seeing that. Also the geese would be right at the road side when it was bitter cold. Never could figure that out either.
I’m enjoying the series since I’ve been asking questions for sometime.
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It took awhile but turkey hunting has gone the way of duck hunting.
Primos first video launched that craze.
if you take a close look at the Duck Dynasty thing, they never even duck hunt really. Just sitting around laughing at Si and his sweet tea out of a Tupperware cup from a bygone era. Phil had some good videos. Him and Warren Coco shooting humpback 16's with lead sitting on buckets amongst the decoys....shooting deer out of the duck blind...spitting in a shell hull...it's raining jacks boys (may be my all-time favorite). that was a good one. I replayed the part when the doe got rolled running across the slough a million times lol
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Speaking of dogs best I ever saw was when I hunted in Gueydan La once. The guide would point his foot toward where the duck went down and shine his foot with flashlight. That damn dog found every duck. Then he rolled in a skunk that night and proceeded to sleep in the bunk house with us lol That’s the difference in a dog that is raised in a duck blind and spent every minute with the owner learning things everyday and a dog that was sent to a trainer(not that there is anything wrong with that) to retrieve. It’s nice to watch these field trial dogs running their tests for about 10 minutes and then it all looks the same. Their is a huge difference between a true hunting dog and a field trial dog. A hunting dog never has to be told a word and a field trial dog is lost without the handler. Oh and don’t tell me I’ve never been around them because I’ve seen some of the best field trial dogs money could buy and every one of them had to be sent to where the bird fell. It’s amazing how well a good trained trial dog listens but that’s not what I want in a hunting dog. I want my dogs to do it all on their on. This is why I train my dogs mostly at night to teach them to use their hearing. Also only use a dead duck and only throw it in y’all grass for them to learn to use their nose. As said earlier, nothing prettier to watch then a well trained field trial dog, but for me I don’t want a trial with a bunch of whistles and yelling and jumping up and down. I want a dog to just go get the duck and bring it to the blind fast so we can move on to the next group of birds.
It's hard to kiss the lips at night that chews your a$$ all day long.
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Re: The State of Waterfowl
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You should get out more Speaking of dogs best I ever saw was when I hunted in Gueydan La once. The guide would point his foot toward where the duck went down and shine his foot with flashlight. That damn dog found every duck. Then he rolled in a skunk that night and proceeded to sleep in the bunk house with us lol That’s the difference in a dog that is raised in a duck blind and spent every minute with the owner learning things everyday and a dog that was sent to a trainer(not that there is anything wrong with that) to retrieve. It’s nice to watch these field trial dogs running their tests for about 10 minutes and then it all looks the same. Their is a huge difference between a true hunting dog and a field trial dog. A hunting dog never has to be told a word and a field trial dog is lost without the handler. Oh and don’t tell me I’ve never been around them because I’ve seen some of the best field trial dogs money could buy and every one of them had to be sent to where the bird fell. It’s amazing how well a good trained trial dog listens but that’s not what I want in a hunting dog. I want my dogs to do it all on their on. This is why I train my dogs mostly at night to teach them to use their hearing. Also only use a dead duck and only throw it in y’all grass for them to learn to use their nose. As said earlier, nothing prettier to watch then a well trained field trial dog, but for me I don’t want a trial with a bunch of whistles and yelling and jumping up and down. I want a dog to just go get the duck and bring it to the blind fast so we can move on to the next group of birds.
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Re: The State of Waterfowl
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11/11/19 11:24 AM
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You probably haven't ever hunted over a good dog would be my guess. A trained dog marks well and gets the birds they see fall on their own. If they don't see it fall its called a cold blind--you simply handle the dog to the bird. If the dog is well trained and any good its pretty damn simple and quick I came just for the dog comments! I’d invite anyone to see my boy WORK. Collar, no collar, however you like it. Speaking of dogs best I ever saw was when I hunted in Gueydan La once. The guide would point his foot toward where the duck went down and shine his foot with flashlight. That damn dog found every duck. Then he rolled in a skunk that night and proceeded to sleep in the bunk house with us lol That’s the difference in a dog that is raised in a duck blind and spent every minute with the owner learning things everyday and a dog that was sent to a trainer(not that there is anything wrong with that) to retrieve. It’s nice to watch these field trial dogs running their tests for about 10 minutes and then it all looks the same. Their is a huge difference between a true hunting dog and a field trial dog. A hunting dog never has to be told a word and a field trial dog is lost without the handler. Oh and don’t tell me I’ve never been around them because I’ve seen some of the best field trial dogs money could buy and every one of them had to be sent to where the bird fell. It’s amazing how well a good trained trial dog listens but that’s not what I want in a hunting dog. I want my dogs to do it all on their on. This is why I train my dogs mostly at night to teach them to use their hearing. Also only use a dead duck and only throw it in y’all grass for them to learn to use their nose. As said earlier, nothing prettier to watch then a well trained field trial dog, but for me I don’t want a trial with a bunch of whistles and yelling and jumping up and down. I want a dog to just go get the duck and bring it to the blind fast so we can move on to the next group of birds.
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Re: The State of Waterfowl
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11/11/19 01:15 PM
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I talked to my buddy that hunts out of shell beach. Went to the Biloxi marsh opening weekend and didn’t fire a shot. He said birds were non existent in the area he hunted. I killed 2 specks at Millers Ferry in I think 97. Bitter cold those geese sometimes use the road bed as a windblock and feed on the leftover dandelion greens too. in MS they do it with turn rows in the same fashion. Byers place probly holds more specks than ever especially now due to they flood up and have food, water, refuge...of course they spread out when the shooting starts. Another IG to follow is Paul Link who is on the series at plinkthebander.
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Re: The State of Waterfowl
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You should get out more Speaking of dogs best I ever saw was when I hunted in Gueydan La once. The guide would point his foot toward where the duck went down and shine his foot with flashlight. That damn dog found every duck. Then he rolled in a skunk that night and proceeded to sleep in the bunk house with us lol That’s the difference in a dog that is raised in a duck blind and spent every minute with the owner learning things everyday and a dog that was sent to a trainer(not that there is anything wrong with that) to retrieve. It’s nice to watch these field trial dogs running their tests for about 10 minutes and then it all looks the same. Their is a huge difference between a true hunting dog and a field trial dog. A hunting dog never has to be told a word and a field trial dog is lost without the handler. Oh and don’t tell me I’ve never been around them because I’ve seen some of the best field trial dogs money could buy and every one of them had to be sent to where the bird fell. It’s amazing how well a good trained trial dog listens but that’s not what I want in a hunting dog. I want my dogs to do it all on their on. This is why I train my dogs mostly at night to teach them to use their hearing. Also only use a dead duck and only throw it in y’all grass for them to learn to use their nose. As said earlier, nothing prettier to watch then a well trained field trial dog, but for me I don’t want a trial with a bunch of whistles and yelling and jumping up and down. I want a dog to just go get the duck and bring it to the blind fast so we can move on to the next group of birds. Trust me I get out plenty.
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Re: The State of Waterfowl
[Re: juice]
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You probably haven't ever hunted over a good dog would be my guess. A trained dog marks well and gets the birds they see fall on their own. If they don't see it fall its called a cold blind--you simply handle the dog to the bird. If the dog is well trained and any good its pretty damn simple and quick I came just for the dog comments! I’d invite anyone to see my boy WORK. Collar, no collar, however you like it. Speaking of dogs best I ever saw was when I hunted in Gueydan La once. The guide would point his foot toward where the duck went down and shine his foot with flashlight. That damn dog found every duck. Then he rolled in a skunk that night and proceeded to sleep in the bunk house with us lol That’s the difference in a dog that is raised in a duck blind and spent every minute with the owner learning things everyday and a dog that was sent to a trainer(not that there is anything wrong with that) to retrieve. It’s nice to watch these field trial dogs running their tests for about 10 minutes and then it all looks the same. Their is a huge difference between a true hunting dog and a field trial dog. A hunting dog never has to be told a word and a field trial dog is lost without the handler. Oh and don’t tell me I’ve never been around them because I’ve seen some of the best field trial dogs money could buy and every one of them had to be sent to where the bird fell. It’s amazing how well a good trained trial dog listens but that’s not what I want in a hunting dog. I want my dogs to do it all on their on. This is why I train my dogs mostly at night to teach them to use their hearing. Also only use a dead duck and only throw it in y’all grass for them to learn to use their nose. As said earlier, nothing prettier to watch then a well trained field trial dog, but for me I don’t want a trial with a bunch of whistles and yelling and jumping up and down. I want a dog to just go get the duck and bring it to the blind fast so we can move on to the next group of birds. In the 22 years that I was a duck hunting guide at one of the best hunting camps in SW Louisiana I’ve hunted with some great dogs. I’ve should have worded it differently. Most had the best training money could buy but as soon as the dog would leave the dog stand the handler would start the field trial test. The poor dogs couldn’t go 20ft without the whistle being blown the told OVER or BACK. It would just get old and they were all the same hence the reason why most guides don’t like hunting with someone else’s dog. There was a couple guys that had good dogs and they would just let the dog do what it was trained to do. As far as what I mean about the dog doing it on their own is, a dog that marks the bird or birds either by sight or sound. Dog goes get birds and brings them back, puts it in my hand and goes back and gets other birds if multiple were killed. A dog that stops hunting and watches for new birds when the calling starts and knows to get the bird it was after before going after bird that was just shot. A dog that knows how to work the wind and use their nose to find birds. And do all this without me having to give the dog no attention other then to get bird from it and throw it in the pirogue. A dog that will get in said pirogue and will sit and not move until I get the dog across the pond for a lone cripple. A dog that knows that when the pirogue gets to the marsh it knows why we are there and it hits the marsh hunts that cripple duck up fast. Gets back in duck in mouth and holds it till we get back to the blind. A dog that does all this because it is what it loves and was bred to do. Not because someone forced it to learn how to do it. A dog that will do all that everyday of the season and just like the first day, it will be waiting on you in the boat on the last day of the season. A dog that when the work is over is there with you everyday just being a companion and doing what most dogs do. A dog that will play with the kids, ride the 4 wheeler and tractors or anything it can ride on. A dog that has such a great temperament that everyone that knows it loves it. A dog that just wants to be a family pet until the duck season starts again and gets so excited to be back in the marsh hunting. That’s what I can a good hunting dog. I’ve been bless more then I deserve with some great hunting dogs but I can tell you this dog I have now that we got from some great people on this site is just simply amazing. I don’t duck hunt any more and I do regret that because this dog is a machine and I have nothing to do with that other then letting her do what she does. This dog is a hunting machine whether it’s doves,hogs, deer or retrieving geese that I shot while they were flying over my place. Hell I think this dog taught me way more stuff then I taught it. Lol. I said all that to say I appreciate a highly trained dog if the dog can do what it is trained to do. I guess it’s the handlers of the dogs that I didn’t really want to hunt with. And just for the record the most I ever payed for any of my hunting dogs was $50.
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Re: The State of Waterfowl
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11/11/19 07:50 PM
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Oh ya. Our waterfowl season opened this week end. I heard of a few decent hunts but talked to lots of very disappointed hunters who saw very few ducks and geese this weekend.
It's hard to kiss the lips at night that chews your a$$ all day long.
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Re: The State of Waterfowl
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I tell you what... I've got a blind on Reelfoot so I have gotten to know a LOT of people. I hunt in Arkansas and MS all the time on private holes. People that have hunted with me on The Foot. I also hunt down near Marshmud some... I have a guy down that way I hunt with about 2 times a year. I also hunt at White Lake about every other year.
Duck Hunting in 2019 is nothing like it was 30 years ago. Nothing like it. We don't have the ducks because the 60 day seasons sealed our fate.... everyone North of us who didn't bother building and flooding wintering habitat today floods every thing they can flood. Farming is not what it use to be and some of these people make as much or more off their hunting leases. It is a big part of their income. There is so much habitat flooded north of the Mason Dixon line today you can't image the difference as compared to what was going on in the 80's and maybe through the late 90's. That's why we don't see the wintering duck numbers we use to see. I think they still get good counts on the refuges but those ducks don't leave the refuges like they use to. Hunting pressure has played a big role in that and is an secondary factor/issue here down South.
As for Dogs they are fine in a flooded field but once they start swimming I'm done with a dam dog. Forget it... you aren't hunting with me. I'm not going to stand around out there all morning listening to you yell at your dog swimming all through the decoys getting tangled up and blowing yer little whistle while I'm trying to duck hunt.
On The Foot we go get them in the boat. Most do not have a dog they are a 100% nuisance trying to swim around through 400 decoys.
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Re: The State of Waterfowl
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The newest segment sheds some light on harvest locations and how the local numbers may vary while the overall harvest remain steady. Thanks again for the heads up. Very informative talk.
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Re: The State of Waterfowl
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11/13/19 06:05 AM
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You can handle a dog without blowing that irritating whistle every 30 seconds and screaming at the dog. None of me dogs ever new what a whistle was and never had a problem handling my dogs at the blind. I good dog that knows how to hunt doesn’t need at that. I never sent my dogs on long crippled birds by themselves. I always went with them. I always kept my dogs in sight or earshot. Especially if it was kinda warm. To many gators in the marsh. The biggest this is a dog needs to be able to watch everything that is going on so I always had them where they could see 360. It does help when a dog hunts the same blind everyday. That makes it a lot easier on a dog. Did they always get every bird every time. Of coarse not. If they didn’t get it, when the hunt would slow I would send them to get the missed birds. Most people that have highly trained dogs need to be highly trained to work the dog. I just gonna leave that right there.
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Re: The State of Waterfowl
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If you have to go with your dog to pick up a bird then I rest my case. I dont give a rats ass if a bird falls out at 400 yards. That sucker will end up back in the blind in short order and my fat ass won’t do anything but stand up and make a few quick handles. The sole purpose of dog training is to recover game. It doesn’t matter if it’s hunting or trialing, the reason behind it is the same, to get the birds back as quick and efficient as possible. I hate losing birds that’s why I only bring well trained dogs to hunt over. We never lose birds at all in the rice fields and I can absolutely recover any bird with little effort as long as my dog can see me and hear the whistle. I’ve had occasions when a dog picked up a long sailing bird they never saw at such long distances that we shot into multiple volleys before they were able to get back.
You’ve never seen a well trained dog with a competent handler.....that’s an absolute damn fact.
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A dog in open water is pointless. The dogs going to freeze to death trying to swim around all day and cost you birds. The point is efficiency, if the boat is a better way then that's what you should do. Dogs are used when its most efficient and to better the hunt. I tell you what... I've got a blind on Reelfoot so I have gotten to know a LOT of people. I hunt in Arkansas and MS all the time on private holes. People that have hunted with me on The Foot. I also hunt down near Marshmud some... I have a guy down that way I hunt with about 2 times a year. I also hunt at White Lake about every other year.
Duck Hunting in 2019 is nothing like it was 30 years ago. Nothing like it. We don't have the ducks because the 60 day seasons sealed our fate.... everyone North of us who didn't bother building and flooding wintering habitat today floods every thing they can flood. Farming is not what it use to be and some of these people make as much or more off their hunting leases. It is a big part of their income. There is so much habitat flooded north of the Mason Dixon line today you can't image the difference as compared to what was going on in the 80's and maybe through the late 90's. That's why we don't see the wintering duck numbers we use to see. I think they still get good counts on the refuges but those ducks don't leave the refuges like they use to. Hunting pressure has played a big role in that and is an secondary factor/issue here down South.
As for Dogs they are fine in a flooded field but once they start swimming I'm done with a dam dog. Forget it... you aren't hunting with me. I'm not going to stand around out there all morning listening to you yell at your dog swimming all through the decoys getting tangled up and blowing yer little whistle while I'm trying to duck hunt.
On The Foot we go get them in the boat. Most do not have a dog they are a 100% nuisance trying to swim around through 400 decoys.
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Re: The State of Waterfowl
[Re: juice]
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11/15/19 11:43 AM
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If you have to go with your dog to pick up a bird then I rest my case. I dont give a rats ass if a bird falls out at 400 yards. That sucker will end up back in the blind in short order and my fat ass won’t do anything but stand up and make a few quick handles. The sole purpose of dog training is to recover game. It doesn’t matter if it’s hunting or trialing, the reason behind it is the same, to get the birds back as quick and efficient as possible. I hate losing birds that’s why I only bring well trained dogs to hunt over. We never lose birds at all in the rice fields and I can absolutely recover any bird with little effort as long as my dog can see me and hear the whistle. I’ve had occasions when a dog picked up a long sailing bird they never saw at such long distances that we shot into multiple volleys before they were able to get back.
You’ve never seen a well trained dog with a competent handler.....that’s an absolute damn fact. As I said earlier that a well trained dog and a person that knows how to handle the dog is great to watch at a duck blind. Apparently you have never been in the marshes of SW Louisiana and must not have hunted much if you have never lost a bird. You will not see your dog much farther then 40-50yds in most areas here hence the reason I walk with my dog to get it to the area the bird fell. I would love to see you work that dog on a 400Yd crippled duck from the blind out there. Oh well I’m gonna let you have it with your world champion dog. I’ve realized that I could never ever reach your level of hunting or dog “handling”. Have a great season.
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Re: The State of Waterfowl
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One of the best things about duck hunting is seeing a well-trained dog do its job. But the flip side of that coin is having to listen the incessant crowing and bragging about the damn dog from its owner. I don't give a chit what ribbons the dog has won or how many abbreviations you can put beside its name. Did it get the bird? Good dog.
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A dog is like a hammer. Good for a specific set of circumstances. Like field hunting... that's where you want one and I enjoy not having to wade a muddy rice field going picking up the birds.
Hard to drive a deck screw with a hammer though.
Pond or pothole is probably ok..... but any kind of big Open Water = Leave dog at home.
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Re: The State of Waterfowl
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Y’all want to talk about dogs. I have one for you. He’d pile up in a layout boat with his hunter. A big golden in fact. Doubt I’ll ever see that again.
Same guy had the first Golden to ever achieve numerous hunt test. I’m not sure if all of them but Lardy wanted Bailey on his truck but Dave didn’t cause he liked hunting Bailey too much.
I’ll dig for some pics of Tanner in the layout boat.
“Socialism only works in two places: Heaven where they don't need it and hell where they already have it.” ― Ronald Reagan
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Re: The State of Waterfowl
[Re: marshmud991]
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11/19/19 12:02 PM
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To clarify on the lost bird thing--I've never lost birds in the marsh when we were hunting one of my dogs. Lost plenty over some others we hunted--I haven't really hunted my dogs out there much at all though. Im not big on gators and seems live every trip ive made the temps have been in the 60's during the days so I usually dont hunt a dog. And I agree completely about the distance thing on the retrieves--my first ever hunt out there we had one sail and drop out around 100 yards in the grass to our right. We got the bird but I learned a good lesson about what not to do. I lost sight of the dog once he got maybe 30 yards deep in the grass. That stuff is alot taller than it looks. I could see his head pop up every once in a while and was able to handle him down wind of the bird but those cripples bury up something fierce out there. Makes for some tough birds to dig out. Another thing out there is the wind--you can't appreciate how hard it can blow until you've seen it blowing good out there. The marsh is by far the toughest environment I've ever hunted when it comes to dog work. There is nothing easy about that place If you have to go with your dog to pick up a bird then I rest my case. I dont give a rats ass if a bird falls out at 400 yards. That sucker will end up back in the blind in short order and my fat ass won’t do anything but stand up and make a few quick handles. The sole purpose of dog training is to recover game. It doesn’t matter if it’s hunting or trialing, the reason behind it is the same, to get the birds back as quick and efficient as possible. I hate losing birds that’s why I only bring well trained dogs to hunt over. We never lose birds at all in the rice fields and I can absolutely recover any bird with little effort as long as my dog can see me and hear the whistle. I’ve had occasions when a dog picked up a long sailing bird they never saw at such long distances that we shot into multiple volleys before they were able to get back.
You’ve never seen a well trained dog with a competent handler.....that’s an absolute damn fact. As I said earlier that a well trained dog and a person that knows how to handle the dog is great to watch at a duck blind. Apparently you have never been in the marshes of SW Louisiana and must not have hunted much if you have never lost a bird. You will not see your dog much farther then 40-50yds in most areas here hence the reason I walk with my dog to get it to the area the bird fell. I would love to see you work that dog on a 400Yd crippled duck from the blind out there. Oh well I’m gonna let you have it with your world champion dog. I’ve realized that I could never ever reach your level of hunting or dog “handling”. Have a great season.
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Re: The State of Waterfowl
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I’ve found that most people that constantly beat their chest about a dog tend not to have a very good one. I haven’t ever found much to brag about on a dog while we’re hunting. They get the easiest retrieves they can hope for and don’t get challenged much at all compared to what they are put through in training. They are just doing their jobs is the way I look at it. I’m a lot more likely to get on their ass than the alternative. One of the best things about duck hunting is seeing a well-trained dog do its job. But the flip side of that coin is having to listen the incessant crowing and bragging about the damn dog from its owner. I don't give a chit what ribbons the dog has won or how many abbreviations you can put beside its name. Did it get the bird? Good dog.
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I’ve found that most people that constantly beat their chest about a dog tend not to have a very good one. Yep.
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Lamar
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I’ve found that most people that constantly beat their chest about a dog tend not to have a very good one. I haven’t ever found much to brag about on a dog while we’re hunting. They get the easiest retrieves they can hope for and don’t get challenged much at all compared to what they are put through in training. They are just doing their jobs is the way I look at it. I’m a lot more likely to get on their ass than the alternative. One of the best things about duck hunting is seeing a well-trained dog do its job. But the flip side of that coin is having to listen the incessant crowing and bragging about the damn dog from its owner. I don't give a chit what ribbons the dog has won or how many abbreviations you can put beside its name. Did it get the bird? Good dog. My policy is to only brag on dead dogs. May add retired dogs to the list this year.
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Re: The State of Waterfowl
[Re: Fishduck]
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11/20/19 10:46 AM
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juice
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Mark, I’m pretty sure I’ve heard you say that before lol. I’ve found that most people that constantly beat their chest about a dog tend not to have a very good one. I haven’t ever found much to brag about on a dog while we’re hunting. They get the easiest retrieves they can hope for and don’t get challenged much at all compared to what they are put through in training. They are just doing their jobs is the way I look at it. I’m a lot more likely to get on their ass than the alternative. One of the best things about duck hunting is seeing a well-trained dog do its job. But the flip side of that coin is having to listen the incessant crowing and bragging about the damn dog from its owner. I don't give a chit what ribbons the dog has won or how many abbreviations you can put beside its name. Did it get the bird? Good dog. My policy is to only brag on dead dogs. May add retired dogs to the list this year.
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Re: The State of Waterfowl
[Re: JayHook2]
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12/20/19 12:13 PM
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TickaTicka
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I know this thread turned into a chit show, but I want to thank JayHook for putting this up. This series put on by Express is excellent. 20 episodes in all, I think. Focuses on Louisiana and Arkansas but they talk about the whole MS flyway. First episode is here. https://youtu.be/uW735AsYYGE
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Re: The State of Waterfowl
[Re: JayHook2]
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12/20/19 01:24 PM
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Forrestgump1
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The conversation being had in the forum is also a pretty good indicator of the state of waterfowl.
Last edited by Forrestgump1; 12/20/19 01:24 PM.
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Re: The State of Waterfowl
[Re: Forrestgump1]
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12/20/19 03:38 PM
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TickaTicka
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The conversation being had in the forum is also a pretty good indicator of the state of waterfowl. With a lot less science though.
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