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The State of Waterfowl #2935185
10/25/19 09:15 AM
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Excellent! Any of you who are lifetime waterfowl hunters owe it to yourself to follow it.

Features 2 lifetime waterfowl biologists from the US and Canada, Larry Reynolds of LA, Paul Link NAWFP, Jim Ronquest of RNT, and Cason Short of Bill Byers Hunter Club.

Roundtable discussion of all the issues we THINK affect our hunting and their take on it backed up with data in most cases. They cover why ducks and geese are not in LA, TX, ARK as in the past, shortstopping (not), Agricultural practices, the effect of Canadian hunting on the resource, telemetry (which is awesome), pressure, and more.

And the devil himself, SWD's (not to be confused with CWD or STD lol) which have been around in numbers since the late 90's...lots if not all hunters under 35 have never seen decoys out without them.

Cason is Bill Byer's grandson and works the farm and the Hunter club. He is posting the discussion in easy to listen to 10-20 minute segments on the Bill Byers Hunter Club Facebook page. Bill was a huge proponent of rest areas and feed. We used to ride to Hunter just to see the waterfowl all around his place there in the 80's.

Start at the beginning and progress It's up to 11 clips right now

Re: The State of Waterfowl [Re: JayHook2] #2935266
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Interesting. Anywhere to listen to it other than Facebook?

Re: The State of Waterfowl [Re: JayHook2] #2935630
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Yes...Express Boats on YouTube. State of waterfowl.

Re: The State of Waterfowl [Re: JayHook2] #2935899
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Thanks for the heads up.

I recall all the guide services I knew of and or hunted with had resting ponds and avoided them at all cost. Casons place hunted til a certain time and that was it.

We used to never stay in our holes past 8 in the early season and 9 in the later part of the season. Now folks stay all day. Chase ducks up and down the river. Even shooting into rafts of ducks.

Its no wonder they no longer stick around.

Used to flush them out and shoot them when they back. The aide days have been long gone for years now.


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Re: The State of Waterfowl [Re: cartervj] #2937711
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Originally Posted by cartervj


Used to flush them out and shoot them when they back. The aide days have been long gone for years now.


We used to do that a lot around the islands over BB Comer Bridge in Gville.

Re: The State of Waterfowl [Re: JayHook2] #2940073
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IMO SWD’s and hunting pressure are the 2 key factors affecting ducking hunting. Use to 1-2 blinds on 1000 acres that only were usually hunted by friend and family. Now that 1000 acres has 5-6 and some big wig is paying $65,000 for it and has 4-5 SWD’s in each blind. Can’t call? Just put a SWD out. Wanna be a guide and can’t call? Put a SWD out. When birds stop coming in to late in the year they blame it on birds getting smarter. Wrong, it’s the fact most of the young birds are dead by the end of season. It’s sad to see where duck hunting has ended up. Amazing I guided 10 yrs and rarely used a SWD, never grew a beard, painted my face, decorated my gun with starting stickers, carried 10 calls, had a shock collar on my lab or shot 3.5” shells.

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It's shocking to me that SWD's were ever legalized. You can't use recorded calls, or even lead, but a battery powered decoy is legal.

Re: The State of Waterfowl [Re: Spec] #2940213
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Originally Posted by Spec
IMO SWD’s and hunting pressure are the 2 key factors affecting ducking hunting. Use to 1-2 blinds on 1000 acres that only were usually hunted by friend and family. Now that 1000 acres has 5-6 and some big wig is paying $65,000 for it and has 4-5 SWD’s in each blind. Can’t call? Just put a SWD out. Wanna be a guide and can’t call? Put a SWD out. When birds stop coming in to late in the year they blame it on birds getting smarter. Wrong, it’s the fact most of the young birds are dead by the end of season. It’s sad to see where duck hunting has ended up. Amazing I guided 10 yrs and rarely used a SWD, never grew a beard, painted my face, decorated my gun with starting stickers, carried 10 calls, had a shock collar on my lab or shot 3.5” shells.

Lots of truth here Spec! I carry one duck call and one speck call and since all we hunt is specks I could do without the duck call. Shoot a 870 that i have had for 46 years. Trained 2 HR dogs with no shock collar and quit that game and judging when they started handing out passes for participating. We shoot 2 3/4" BB's and kill em over the decoys.
Before this SOW, I had 3 things that in mind that made duck hunting what it is today. !. SWD's were the devil reincarnated. 2. Canadian hunting of waterfowl was a very bad influence for several reasons. and 3. Every parcel of habitat is hunted from Canada to Venice, LA and birds can't rest anywhere unless the season is closed.

When I see face paint, 3 1/2' guns with ultra-tight chokes HeviShot, see 40-11 calls on a stiff lanyard, backpacks with MOJOs, mud motors where they aren't needed, wearing waders in the truck, dog in the box wearing e-collar, $500 parka when its sunny and 50 degrees...I think back to a 15 ft aluminum boat with a 25 Johnson and pushpole,, a pump gun, 18 Flambeau or G and H decoys (which you couldn't beat the paint off of), a jerk string, sitting on my waders with the dog sitting at the front in the bottom of the boat to level out the ride and how simple it was and still can be.

Toys can never replace Know How and Google Earth can never replace boat in the water or boots on the ground...

Re: The State of Waterfowl [Re: JayHook2] #2940376
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I can agree with everything that has been said but...…………...what the hell does an ecollar on a dog have to do with being a new duck hunter? I have a freaking field champion that is also a Grand Champion and that joker will have an ecollar on his neck anytime he hunts. That's about the most ignorant argument I've ever heard

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Until someone throws/drops their gun down to hurry and get their hands on the remote to correct the dog, and the muzzle winds up in your ear or ribs or it splashes down in the bottom of the pit or you are staring down a round black hole, you probly can't appreciate it. Dogs barking on a hunt is for squirrel, deer, and hog hunting. I just don't need it or tolerate it.
It's hunting not trialing/hunt testing. It's just a personal view. There's no training like hunting though. Can't be duplicated...and it teaches good dogs bad habits...all trainers, PRO's especially know that. More than 25 years ago you seldom heard of a dog running straight white coat field trials that went hunting.
The last correction I witnessed was a nice dog with a speck in his mouth 100 yds out. dog stopped and started shaking his head...that's strange right...then starts a little dance...then drops goose and goes into a yelping tailspin. Much ado followed of course. dog did NOT bring in the bird. When asked why he corrected the dog he replied that's not the mark I sent him on....some laughing ensued and then he was told that's the only bird that fell!
Nothing like hunting with a trained retriever, we will all agree on that!

Re: The State of Waterfowl [Re: JayHook2] #2940491
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Sounds like you’ve hunted with some dummies. I maintain a standard whether in training or hunting. I expect all my dogs and the ones I train to operate the way they are trained. We don’t make concessions during a hunt. We also never get out of the pit to get a bird. If it falls it gets recovered because we have the dogs talented and trained to do it. Who said anything about barking? What does that have to do with a collar?

To your point about the dog being corrected with a bird in its mouth. The dummy running the dog should have his dog equipped to run a poison bird blind before he took it hunting. Takes a real dumb ass to blow a dog up that’s already gotten the bird they weren’t sent for. I train all the dogs that huntin my group. I also run the dogs, it just works a lot better that way for everyone. I can’t atand chaos on a duck hunt and a dog is the first thing that cause it if it’s untrained or being handled by an idiot.

Regardless saying ecollars mean the Hunter is a newbie is ridiculous. My dogs run field trials and they also hunt. I’d have a monster on my hands if they weren’t held in check while we hunt.

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I agree a million percent with everything else. I’d pay good money for spinners to be outlawed. I hate those things with a passion

Re: The State of Waterfowl [Re: juice] #2940520
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Originally Posted by juice
I’d pay good money for spinners to be outlawed. I hate those things with a passion


So you don't own or use one?

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We do use them but I don’t like to. I never said they can’t be effective but I still want them outlawed. When I’m alone there’s is no motion anything but a jerk rig. I’m not the only person in my club so it is what it is.

Re: The State of Waterfowl [Re: JayHook2] #2940592
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The season of hate is getting close isn't it?


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Originally Posted by Abbhudson
Originally Posted by juice
I’d pay good money for spinners to be outlawed. I hate those things with a passion


So you don't own or use one?

I do not use them either. Jerk string only. There is a generation of younger duck hunters that grew up no knowing you could go hunting without one...like Florida and Texas deer hunters with no corn! LOL

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I call it the Phil Robertson effect.

Re: The State of Waterfowl [Re: juice] #2940843
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Originally Posted by juice
I call it the Phil Robertson effect.



I can assure you the craziness surrounding duck hunting has been around well before duck dynasty.
I quit going to AR in the late 90s because of all the boat ramp and timber hole fighting. I actually rarely went duck hunting in the early 2000s.
Crazy is an understatement and the shear amount of money involved is dumbfounding.

I tried to get a wealthy guy to buy Greenbriar when it was up for sale way back when for 1.6 million. He’d made a small fortune if had bought it back then. Not like he needs any more money.


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There was time when Waterfowling was Gentleman's sport, then the competition began and it has been a race to the bottom since.

I could list numerous things but those that have been around already know.

I've talked with guys that have 20 plus in whole, rotating out so others can't get close. They'll pay hole sitters and then wear em out. I doubt many ducks stick around the area as this continually happens.


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Originally Posted by juice
I can agree with everything that has been said but...…………...what the hell does an ecollar on a dog have to do with being a new duck hunter? I have a freaking field champion that is also a Grand Champion and that joker will have an ecollar on his neck anytime he hunts. That's about the most ignorant argument I've ever heard

That’s all I needed to hear as a guide “ my dog is a grand national/ hunt trial champion “. My response is bring your waders cause I’m not getting out of the blind and I am dang sure not listening to a whistle every 2 seconds. My dog retrieved birds not plastic bumpers. Yes I had him on a whistle but only if I needed to direct him. I did learn he knew where the birds where better than me. I’m not saying your dog isn’t great. I’d rather someone talk about my wife than my dog. I am saying my dog had more than 16,000 retrieves in 13 seasons. That includes teal, bid duck and goose season. BTW never used an e-collar or threw rocks.:

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