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Fire Place Help/Advice #2933686
10/23/19 11:13 AM
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We just had our Fireplace inspected since buying our house in January. It used to be a wood burning but is currently vented gas. Apparently, the terracotta flue liner has a few gaps in it about half way up the chimney and needs to be resealed. He did show me the gaps so I believe that part. We also need new logs and burner before using it.

To reseal the flue liner they want almost $2,500...plus another 2k for logs and burner. Not to mention they want to pressure wash and seal the bricks of the chimney above the roof for an additional 1k... No thanks.

My question is can we just install a ventless gas kit and save the $2,500? I can find a decent set of logs and burner (ventless) for about $1,500 shipped. Not sure how that works but the company I used for inspection said no it has to be sealed even before going to ventless which doesn't make any sense to me. Anyone familiar?

Not trying to do anything that may harm my family but I just feel like I could find something else to spend 6k on other than a damn fireplace.

Re: Fire Place Help/Advice [Re: noeyeddeer] #2933692
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Go ventless and you will be fine. Ventless actually creates way more heat than vented logs anyway

Re: Fire Place Help/Advice [Re: noeyeddeer] #2933694
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I would think so


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Re: Fire Place Help/Advice [Re: noeyeddeer] #2933697
10/23/19 11:32 AM
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Originally Posted by noeyeddeer
Not sure how that works but the company I used for inspection said no it has to be sealed even before going to ventless which doesn't make any sense to me. Anyone familiar? Not trying to do anything that may harm my family but I just feel like I could find something else to spend 6k on other than a damn fireplace.


ask the company if they filed a report about your chimney/flue cracks with your county or the state of Alabama or your homeowners insurance company; now that you've been inspected & "found out", your chimney is a fire hazard ... it's been a while, but i caught my chimney on fire & the county fire dept responded to it; so at that point, i was "on record" & had to do something ... i installed a SS double-walled liner inside the flue that connects to the back of my insert - problem solved (see https://www.hgtv.com/design/decorating/design-101/cracked-flue-liner-in-chimney-not-uncommon) ... miraculously, they did not find any cracks in my flue BTW - but i didn't want to take any more chances of burning my damn house down ... open flame inside your home is open flame; take the proper precautions ... this doesn't just affect you & your family; if you're living in a neighborhood, it affects those around you, as well ...

i agree with joshm28; seal up your fireplace & install a ventless system ... you also have the option of seeking a 2nd opinion ... but bottom line, you have cracks in your flue that should an ember/flame somehow make its way through, you could inadvertently burn your house down ... now that you're aware of it, and should that happen, i'd imagine you wouldn't get a dime from your homeowners insurance company if you don't address it somehow ... keep that in mind

PS i spent WAY LESS than $6k on my liner ...

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Re: Fire Place Help/Advice [Re: BamaGuitarDude] #2933776
10/23/19 01:25 PM
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Originally Posted by BamaGuitarDude
Originally Posted by noeyeddeer
Not sure how that works but the company I used for inspection said no it has to be sealed even before going to ventless which doesn't make any sense to me. Anyone familiar? Not trying to do anything that may harm my family but I just feel like I could find something else to spend 6k on other than a damn fireplace.


ask the company if they filed a report about your chimney/flue cracks with your county or the state of Alabama or your homeowners insurance company; now that you've been inspected & "found out", your chimney is a fire hazard ... it's been a while, but i caught my chimney on fire & the county fire dept responded to it; so at that point, i was "on record" & had to do something ... i installed a SS double-walled liner inside the flue that connects to the back of my insert - problem solved (see https://www.hgtv.com/design/decorating/design-101/cracked-flue-liner-in-chimney-not-uncommon) ... miraculously, they did not find any cracks in my flue BTW - but i didn't want to take any more chances of burning my damn house down ... open flame inside your home is open flame; take the proper precautions ... this doesn't just affect you & your family; if you're living in a neighborhood, it affects those around you, as well ...

i agree with joshm28; seal up your fireplace & install a ventless system ... you also have the option of seeking a 2nd opinion ... but bottom line, you have cracks in your flue that should an ember/flame somehow make its way through, you could inadvertently burn your house down ... now that you're aware of it, and should that happen, i'd imagine you wouldn't get a dime from your homeowners insurance company if you don't address it somehow ... keep that in mind

PS i spent WAY LESS than $6k on my liner ...


The only problem with doing that is all the manuals I've read and instructions of the Flue Liner's and ventless fireplaces is it says must be installed by a certified professional. So I'm guessing even if I do it myself if something were to happen I wouldn't get a dime from homeowners insurance... Maybe I should delete this thread so Brandon doesn't find out rofl I will contact another company to see what they would charge to install the liner and fireplace but I'm assuming it's going to be real close to that 6k. Better safe than sorry, especially with a new born on the way.

Just sucks living in a money pit. All these repairs are eating into the car fund we started. Guess I should count my blessings that it won't bankrupt us and nothing bad has happened so far.

Thanks for the thorough response!

Re: Fire Place Help/Advice [Re: noeyeddeer] #2933789
10/23/19 01:46 PM
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Originally Posted by noeyeddeer
The only problem with doing that is all the manuals I've read and instructions of the Flue Liner's and ventless fireplaces is it says must be installed by a certified professional.
Maybe I should delete this thread so Brandon doesn't find out :rofl


correct; i did have a pro install mine - i was going to suggest deleting this thread, too! LOL

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Re: Fire Place Help/Advice [Re: noeyeddeer] #2933826
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You can buy and install a ventless insert for $5-700. That should suffice for insurance purposes

Re: Fire Place Help/Advice [Re: noeyeddeer] #2933862
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maybe I don't understand the issue here, but I had a wood burning insert installed in a fireplace. the chimney wasn't perfect, but we had built fires in it before installing the insert. but when the installers came to put the wood burning insert it, they put a 40 ft flexible metal (I think it was aluminum) chimney liner inside the chimney and it went out the top with a metal cap/cover. rated at 500 degrees. I think it was $250....

is gas way different? we had some serious large fires in the stove- enough to heat a about 1800 sq ft, and it lasted until we sold the house...15 years.

Re: Fire Place Help/Advice [Re: strikeu] #2933910
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Originally Posted by strikeu
maybe I don't understand the issue here, but I had a wood burning insert installed in a fireplace. the chimney wasn't perfect, but we had built fires in it before installing the insert. but when the installers came to put the wood burning insert it, they put a 40 ft flexible metal (I think it was aluminum) chimney liner inside the chimney and it went out the top with a metal cap/cover. rated at 500 degrees. I think it was $250....

is gas way different? we had some serious large fires in the stove- enough to heat a about 1800 sq ft, and it lasted until we sold the house...15 years.


I have no idea but I know the people that inspected my chimney did not give me that choice. I sent an e-mail to them and another company asking about that. Will see what they say because $250 sounds a whole lot better than $6,000

Re: Fire Place Help/Advice [Re: noeyeddeer] #2933928
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If the company you utilized for this original estimate of around 6K is who I think it is...

I would strongly encourage you to get a second and third opinion (and primarily an estimate) from some other folks. Maybe look into talking to a builder and/or a very good brick mason.

This is based on my personal experience with getting some gas logs installed in the Auburn/Opelika area.

You might find more and different options at some different price points.

Hope I worded that diplomatically enough..?

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Originally Posted by Pocosin
If the company you utilized for this original estimate of around 6K is who I think it is...

I would strongly encourage you to get a second and third opinion (and primarily an estimate) from some other folks. Maybe look into talking to a builder and/or a very good brick mason.

This is based on my personal experience with getting some gas logs installed in the Auburn/Opelika area.

You might find more and different options at some different price points.

Hope I worded that diplomatically enough..?


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Re: Fire Place Help/Advice [Re: joshm28] #2934043
10/23/19 06:55 PM
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Originally Posted by joshm28
Go ventless and you will be fine. Ventless actually creates way more heat than vented logs anyway

Yeah but it stinks. I have ventless but only run them so often. We have to air it out when we first turn them on.


It be's that way sometimes.

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Re: Fire Place Help/Advice [Re: jaredhunts] #2934051
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Originally Posted by jaredhunts
Originally Posted by joshm28
Go ventless and you will be fine. Ventless actually creates way more heat than vented logs anyway

Yeah but it stinks. I have ventless but only run them so often. We have to air it out when we first turn them on.


Depends on type of logs. If they are light weight logs they do stink

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Originally Posted by Pocosin
If the company you utilized for this original estimate of around 6K is who I think it is...

I would strongly encourage you to get a second and third opinion (and primarily an estimate) from some other folks. Maybe look into talking to a builder and/or a very good brick mason.

This is based on my personal experience with getting some gas logs installed in the Auburn/Opelika area.

You might find more and different options at some different price points.

Hope I worded that diplomatically enough..?

Probably located downtown🤔

Re: Fire Place Help/Advice [Re: noeyeddeer] #2934058
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If your chimney has.a damper on it, just close it and install the ventless. Some fireplaces say you can't put ventless logs in them

Re: Fire Place Help/Advice [Re: noeyeddeer] #2934455
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glad somebody "local" to you has responded to this post, noeyedeer ... i didn't want to bash this "company" you used, but ... i had my suspicions about them


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Re: Fire Place Help/Advice [Re: noeyeddeer] #2934661
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Gas ventless shouldn’t matter because the flu has no bearing on it. Simply close the damper


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