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Re: Legal Shooting light
[Re: flounderpounder]
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10/21/19 10:55 AM
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Yes, many times. But when I was a teenager I was hunting in the snow one time when there was a full moon and I guess I should have taken a watch. Luckily I didn't see anything cause by the time I figured it was past legal shooting I walked to my truck (maybe 10 minutes) and it was after 8pm. So, I hunted about 3 extra hours that night.
But being completely honest, I almost always bowhunt and maybe some of it is not wanting to make a bad shot and end up wounding a big buck. Once it starts getting close to dark it is very tough to see twigs and branches between you and the deer.
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Re: Legal Shooting light
[Re: flounderpounder]
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10/21/19 11:16 AM
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Have any of you passed on a big buck you would have killed because it was past "Legal" shooting light but plenty enough light to still see him with or without your scope? Yep. Passed on one I could've shot with my bow because of "legal time." It's complete bullchit. Nothing was broken but damned if they didn't have to "fix" it.
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Re: Legal Shooting light
[Re: Semo]
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10/21/19 11:20 AM
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.... when there was a full moon and I guess I should have taken a watch. Luckily I didn't see anything cause by the time I figured it was past legal shooting I walked to my truck (maybe 10 minutes) and it was after 8pm. So, I hunted about 3 extra hours that night. yup, any decent set of bino's/scope will let you see clear as a bell in moonlight conditions ...
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Re: Legal Shooting light
[Re: Clem]
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10/21/19 12:49 PM
10/21/19 12:49 PM
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Have any of you passed on a big buck you would have killed because it was past "Legal" shooting light but plenty enough light to still see him with or without your scope? Yep. Passed on one I could've shot with my bow because of "legal time." It's complete bullchit. Nothing was broken but damned if they didn't have to "fix" it. They did it because hunters complained about the "daylight hours only" wording and demanded a time...they got what they wanted.
"I'm not near as critical about how big they are as I once was. Smiles are more important now! We will grow more deer." Jimmy G.
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Re: Legal Shooting light
[Re: flounderpounder]
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10/21/19 01:06 PM
10/21/19 01:06 PM
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What is this legal shooting light you speak of? 😀😀
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Re: Legal Shooting light
[Re: Skullworks]
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10/21/19 03:14 PM
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Have any of you passed on a big buck you would have killed because it was past "Legal" shooting light but plenty enough light to still see him with or without your scope? Yep. Passed on one I could've shot with my bow because of "legal time." It's complete bullchit. Nothing was broken but damned if they didn't have to "fix" it. They did it because hunters complained about the "daylight hours only" wording and demanded a time...they got what they wanted. Some may have. Most folks with common sense knew when it was too dark or not light enough to take a good, ethical shot and didn't need to be told about "shooting time."
"Hunting Politics are stupid!" - Farm Hunter
"Bible says you shouldn't put sugar in your cornbread." Dustin, 2013
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Re: Legal Shooting light
[Re: Ant67]
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10/21/19 03:59 PM
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The current law needs to be about 15 min longer. Past 45 min after sunset your eyes play tricks on you and that 10 point ends up being a 3 point Some days you can see VERY WELL at 45 min past sundown. Other times you can't see well enough to shoot 25 min after sundown. It all depends and it was better before the 30+ or -. Where is the 30 min window timed from? One of my leases is 30 miles west of Birmingham. Sunset time in Birmingham is different that at that specific lease. I've never really thought about that until now
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Re: Legal Shooting light
[Re: joshm28]
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10/21/19 07:21 PM
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The current law needs to be about 15 min longer. Past 45 min after sunset your eyes play tricks on you and that 10 point ends up being a 3 point Some days you can see VERY WELL at 45 min past sundown. Other times you can't see well enough to shoot 25 min after sundown. It all depends and it was better before the 30+ or -. Where is the 30 min window timed from? One of my leases is 30 miles west of Birmingham. Sunset time in Birmingham is different that at that specific lease. I've never really thought about that until now Whatever the weather app says for the closest city to you. That’s what I go by anyways.
"I'm not near as critical about how big they are as I once was. Smiles are more important now! We will grow more deer." Jimmy G.
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Re: Legal Shooting light
[Re: Skullworks]
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10/22/19 08:31 AM
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Whatever the weather app says for the closest city to you. That’s what I go by anyways.
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Re: Legal Shooting light
[Re: flounderpounder]
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10/22/19 04:58 PM
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I think, don't quote me on this, well don't ever quote me on anything for that matter, but there's only a few minutes deviance between sunrise/sunset times per degree of longitude. Not much difference. May be 5 minutes difference across the whole state.
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Re: Legal Shooting light
[Re: flounderpounder]
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10/22/19 10:19 PM
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I’ll shoot a deer on my damn farm when I can safely see what it is no matter what a clock says and they can kiss my ass
Quietly killing turkeys where youre not!!! My tank full of give a fraks been runnin on empty I'm the paterfamilias
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Re: Legal Shooting light
[Re: flounderpounder]
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10/22/19 10:54 PM
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I think, don't quote me on this, well don't ever quote me on anything for that matter, but there's only a few minutes deviance between sunrise/sunset times per degree of longitude. Not much difference. May be 5 minutes difference across the whole state. I could look it up but I thought it was 1 minute for every 13 miles. could be wrong though.
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Re: Legal Shooting light
[Re: 257wbymag]
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10/23/19 02:00 AM
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I’ll shoot a deer on my damn farm when I can safely see what it is no matter what a clock says and they can kiss my ass ^^^^^^^^^^^
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Re: Legal Shooting light
[Re: flounderpounder]
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10/24/19 07:04 PM
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Hunting in thick low light woods I rarely even sit till the 30 minutes after sundown because I can’t see. But on a foodplot I’m not about to miss out on a buck because of a couple minutes. They can’t expect you to keep pulling out your phone watching the time. And the few game wardens I’ve met were all very understanding people and know all this and wouldn’t give you a ticket anyway. If you were someone they had been after it would be different I’m sure
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Re: Legal Shooting light
[Re: 257wbymag]
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10/25/19 06:54 AM
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I’ll shoot a deer on my damn farm when I can safely see what it is no matter what a clock says and they can kiss my ass That's right
Not all Indians were hunters some toted firewood
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Re: Legal Shooting light
[Re: flounderpounder]
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10/25/19 05:17 PM
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Have any of you passed on a big buck you would have killed because it was past "Legal" shooting light but plenty enough light to still see him with or without your scope? I thought legal shooting light was up to when you can't see & identify without aid of optical hardware!!!
I came, I saw, so I killed them all......Vern
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Re: Legal Shooting light
[Re: GKelly]
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10/26/19 09:41 AM
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if I can see thru my scope still and I know its not excessively past legal light Im shooting. So it is okay to pick and choose which laws we which to disregard? Hum...when does someone cease being a hunter and becomes a poacher?
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Re: Legal Shooting light
[Re: Groundhawg]
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10/26/19 10:29 AM
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if I can see thru my scope still and I know its not excessively past legal light Im shooting. So it is okay to pick and choose which laws we which to disregard? Hum...when does someone cease being a hunter and becomes a poacher? When it becomes bull sh!t
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Re: Legal Shooting light
[Re: Groundhawg]
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10/26/19 10:41 AM
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[quote=GKelly]if I can see thru my scope still and I know its not excessively past legal light Im shooting. I've actually had an Alabama game warden tell me "considering the quality of today's optics they are much more lenient on legal shooting light". He, jokingly added, "When you are seeing your shadow from moonlight, it's time to quit."
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Re: Legal Shooting light
[Re: Groundhawg]
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10/26/19 11:42 AM
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if I can see thru my scope still and I know its not excessively past legal light Im shooting. So it is okay to pick and choose which laws we which to disregard? Hum...when does someone cease being a hunter and becomes a poacher? Groundhawg, should not have went there, game check, shooting light and bait permits are all ok to ignore, but let timber2 do a little slipping and the holier than thou crowd is going to unleash their wrath for breaking that law, just like a bunch of Democrats who think the law only applies to the other folks
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Re: Legal Shooting light
[Re: capehorn24]
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10/26/19 04:10 PM
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if I can see thru my scope still and I know its not excessively past legal light Im shooting. So it is okay to pick and choose which laws we which to disregard? Hum...when does someone cease being a hunter and becomes a poacher? Groundhawg, should not have went there, game check, shooting light and bait permits are all ok to ignore, but let timber2 do a little slipping and the holier than thou crowd is going to unleash their wrath for breaking that law, just like a bunch of Democrats who think the law only applies to the other folks You bet!. I am sure no where near perfect, never have been and not ever gonna be perfect, but it so strange to me that folks want to pick and choose which rules and/or laws that they want to follow or not then jump all over people when it is something they disagree with.
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Re: Legal Shooting light
[Re: Groundhawg]
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10/26/19 04:20 PM
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if I can see thru my scope still and I know its not excessively past legal light Im shooting. So it is okay to pick and choose which laws we which to disregard? Hum...when does someone cease being a hunter and becomes a poacher? I bet you exceed the speed limit, you pavement poacher.
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Re: Legal Shooting light
[Re: flounderpounder]
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10/26/19 05:07 PM
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I mean seriously guys sitting over a pile of corn or shooting past what they call legal light what the he'll? The only difference is 15 dollars
Not all Indians were hunters some toted firewood
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Re: Legal Shooting light
[Re: Sandmtnslayer]
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10/26/19 06:47 PM
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I mean seriously guys sitting over a pile of corn or shooting past what they call legal light what the he'll? The only difference is 15 dollars But as of today with $15 it's legal past legal time is not.
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Re: Legal Shooting light
[Re: Young20]
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10/26/19 07:43 PM
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[quote=GKelly]if I can see thru my scope still and I know its not excessively past legal light Im shooting. I've actually had an Alabama game warden tell me "considering the quality of today's optics they are much more lenient on legal shooting light". He, jokingly added, "When you are seeing your shadow from moonlight, it's time to quit." Actually, they may not admit to their internal brotherhood covenant top secret agreement but its when the color green is not visible they write you up
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Re: Legal Shooting light
[Re: 2Dogs]
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10/26/19 07:55 PM
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if I can see thru my scope still and I know its not excessively past legal light Im shooting. So it is okay to pick and choose which laws we which to disregard? Hum...when does someone cease being a hunter and becomes a poacher? I bet you exceed the speed limit, you pavement poacher. Nope, own a ford and can not exceed speed limit as will not get over 35 MPH. Hope to get a Chev someday and then will be able to outrun everyone else.
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Re: Legal Shooting light
[Re: flounderpounder]
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10/27/19 09:31 AM
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I would never consider disobedience of the rules. It's a mute point because I do not own any firearms.
My opinions and comments are my own. They do not reflect the position or political opinions of Aldeer or any of the Aldeer administration.
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Re: Legal Shooting light
[Re: flounderpounder]
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10/28/19 05:41 AM
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Warden said at skyline a few yrs ago just don't be stupid with it if u can see without a light we won't say nothing except on full moon
Not all Indians were hunters some toted firewood
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Re: Legal Shooting light
[Re: modoc_333]
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10/31/19 12:23 PM
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I don't shoot past time. It may be great to say you don't care, but I follow the law. Not worth the risk. Good answer. Stick with that.
My opinions and comments are my own. They do not reflect the position or political opinions of Aldeer or any of the Aldeer administration.
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Re: Legal Shooting light
[Re: slippinlipjr]
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11/01/19 02:39 PM
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I think, don't quote me on this, well don't ever quote me on anything for that matter, but there's only a few minutes deviance between sunrise/sunset times per degree of longitude. Not much difference. May be 5 minutes difference across the whole state. I don't think that's very close.....The curvature of the earth is about 8" per mile and the state is about 200 miles across the center. So that's roughly 133' of vertical difference. You can watch the sunset on the ground move up to the tree tops and it takes a hell of a lot more than 5 minutes. I'm not going to get into the speed of the earth's rotation and all that, but it's much more than 5 minutes, probably closer to an hour.
not sure what the best way to handle them is but they shouldnt be on tv and gettn married and raisin kids
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Re: Legal Shooting light
[Re: capehorn24]
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11/02/19 06:01 AM
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Tried an earlier post but guess it didn't happen, Looked at a website that had Auburn sunset at 5:51 and Demopolis at 6:00 today. So it will probably be longer than 5 minutes but don't think it will be closer to an hour. will go back and try to find and post the link.. I did the same thing and your right. I guess the speed of the rotation of the earth (1000 mph)overcomes the curvature. I stand corrected.
not sure what the best way to handle them is but they shouldnt be on tv and gettn married and raisin kids
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Re: Legal Shooting light
[Re: capehorn24]
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11/02/19 09:14 AM
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Tried an earlier post but guess it didn't happen, Looked at a website that had Auburn sunset at 5:51 and Demopolis at 6:00 today. So it will probably be longer than 5 minutes but don't think it will be closer to an hour. will go back and try to find and post the link.. Who sets the "official" sunset time if it's off by minutes depending on location?. I know official time is based on a standard but Central time zone covers a wide area and multiple states so sunrise and sunset times are more area specific. Especially when using it to set law. One side of Alabama has several minutes extra based on a universal time for the state. And im playing devils advocate here. I'm not that concerned but someone somewhere will think about it.
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Re: Legal Shooting light
[Re: Reyn]
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11/02/19 01:50 PM
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Tried an earlier post but guess it didn't happen, Looked at a website that had Auburn sunset at 5:51 and Demopolis at 6:00 today. So it will probably be longer than 5 minutes but don't think it will be closer to an hour. will go back and try to find and post the link.. Who sets the "official" sunset time if it's off by minutes depending on location?. I know official time is based on a standard but Central time zone covers a wide area and multiple states so sunrise and sunset times are more area specific. Especially when using it to set law. One side of Alabama has several minutes extra based on a universal time for the state. And im playing devils advocate here. I'm not that concerned but someone somewhere will think about it. Good question, and how is the time of the shot documented unless it’s recorded?
not sure what the best way to handle them is but they shouldnt be on tv and gettn married and raisin kids
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Re: Legal Shooting light
[Re: flounderpounder]
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11/04/19 09:49 PM
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I know when I was younger and duck hunting in SC they were hardcore serious about shooting time. The had maps that broke the state down into miniature time zones. Instead of an hour, it broke it down 4 minutes at a time. They would bust people almost to the second for shooting before legal time. It was funny to stare at your watch and then hear guns go off all over the lake from people waiting to shoot birds on the water. All synchronized. if you heard a lone shot 30 seconds early, you would hear a game warden boat motor crank up right after.
-Keith
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Re: Legal Shooting light
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BhamFred
Freak of Nature
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Freak of Nature
Joined: Sep 2004
Posts: 36,159
alabama
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when I worked duck hunting I might give a warning for 0-9 minutes late, only wrote tickets for 10 minutes late. And 90% of ten minute late shooters would shoot till slam dark anyway. Thats the ones I targeted.
I've spent most of the money I've made in my lifetime on hunting and fishing. The rest I just wasted.....
proud Cracker-Americaan
muslims are like coyotes, only good one is a dead one
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