So I'm going to preface this whole thing with I don't believe in man made global warming. I do however believe that winters here in Alabama are somewhat warmer than what they were when I was younger. Now as I get older I see and understand how easily someone can be manipulated by having something repeated over and over so I want to ask some of the older Aldeer members (60+) if it seems that way to them as well.

I remember sitting around looking at pictures with my best friend's grandad growing up and he showing me where the Tennessee river had froze over (where the I-65 river bridge is now). There's no way we would have a winter that cold now. My father in law tells me about walking across sloughs at Smith Lake when they first filled it in when he was a kid. So is there really that big of a difference?

I was a kid in the early 80s and can remember snow happening often enough to look forward to snow cream every year. If there is a change going on I still believe its due to some type of climate cycle and not man made. Thanks.

We have to remember that we are just observing a brief moment in history while we are alive. Even by young earth standards, the earth is 6,000 years old and we are observing weather trends, at best, from maybe 150 years of observed recordings.

Explain to me why CO2 is not a greenhouse gas. Also explain how the amount of CO2 in the atmosphere has almost doubled within the past 150 years and that change is natural and not “man-made.” Go.

Well that's what I was alluding to when I mentioned that I believe its some type of climate cycle rather than man made if it's real at all. What I'm trying to figure out from my question is this...… is my memory correct that the winters are actually warmer now or is this another case of the media blowing something out of proportion and I've remembered wrong?

Yes I hear that talking point all the time but doesn't one volcanic eruption emit more CO2 than humans have emitted for all time? Also there's more plant life now than there ever has been.... not just trees but overall plant life, meaning that all that CO2 is being consumed from the air.

I have scanned in a lot of my mom’s childhood photos to keep them preserved. Almost every year (50’s and early 60’s) there were pictures in 8-10” of snow. This was in Cullman.

To answer the OP's question; with no comment on "climate change debate".
Yes, my personal observation is the winters are warmer now. Back in the late 70's/early 80's; I hunted with some friends in Marengo county near Pennington. We had a standing agreement; that any time there was a hard freeze where the swamps would ice over we headed to the camp to float a creek that flowed to the Tombigbee and shoot ducks. All the ducks in the area would be in the creek. We did that 2-3 times a year, then. Not sure how many times that would have happened in the last 10 years in SW Alabama. Just my personal, anecdotal observation.

I remember my first white Christmas in the MS Delta around nineteen hundred and seventy seven or seventy eight..now we're in the part of the cycle that we're swatting skeeters on Christmas day!

cyclical weather = constant climate change

Remember that back in the early 1900s the climate was warm enough to support a thriving citrus industry along the northern Gulf coast. It was around 1935 that the climate shifted to cold enough to kill all the orchards. That cooler period lasted a long time and even prompted warnings about a coming ice age from those looking to gain more government control over others. Mother nature calls her own shots and there isn't anything humans can do about it. It's a shame that the usual suspects want to use it for nefarious purposes.

Acid rain was gonna kill us all too

What process did they use 150 years ago to check the amount of CO2 in the atmosphere?

The part that nobody mentions is that it literally makes no difference if "climate change" is real, and if humans are causing it. No one will change anything they do. It amazes me we even argue about it. I don't see anyone skipping their airline flight to New York, or staying at home instead of driving to the beach because they feel so bad about burning fossil fuels.

We had some cold winters after Mt. St. Helens erupted.

Meh, its weather.

We have been measuring CO2 directly from the atmosphere from at least 1958, if not a little before (~ 60 years). To get samples of the atmosphere from long ago, we measure the CO2 concentration of air bubbles trapped in annual layers of ice from Greenland, etc.

We shouldnt have closed that whole on the ozone.

First of all I'd recommend not listening to anything the media says, no matter which side of the isle they endorse. Replace "talking points" with facts. That's the way I see it. Anyways, no, typical volcanic eruptions do not release more CO2 than what we're releasing. If they did, you would see flat CO2 levels, then a jump after an eruption, and then it would level off until the next eruption. Instead, what the measurements show is a fairly steady rise without significant jumps associated with volcanic eruptions.

More plants would cause CO2 levels to drop, but that's not what the measurements show.

Yep. You nailed it. We'll point fingers at each other while coastal cities eventually flood.

I know some whacky liberal people. And some really conservative ones. No one I know has decreased their travel, consumption, or otherwise done anything differently because of global warming. Sure they might put the recycle bin out by the street, but no one is skipping the Caribbean trip because of the massive fuel consumption of the plane. In fact, I don't know hardly anyone that drives a sedan. It's all SUVs and trucks. We're consuming more, not less. So we can argue, but no one really cares, even a little.

To expand on that even more, liberals want people from third world countries to come to the US, but never mention how their improved quality of living will significantly increase their use of resources (plastic, electricity, gas, etc.).

Because it isn't about reducing it....it's about power and money. And if they can convince a large portion of the population that we are impacting it, then they can justify more and more laws/regulations/fines, in the name of "Fighting Climate Change", to increase government control and/or $$$.

If we TRULY believed that we were going to destroy the world and kill off mankind unless we reduced our "Carbon Footprints", the whole "carbon credit" wouldn't be a thing....

"your business practices are going to destroy the world and kill us all!!!! But, it's ok because you paid some extra fines, so don't sweat it.

BS

No doubt about it.

I could, but this article says it a lot better - MASH

We know there are countless dinosaur fossils in the northern plains (Montana). We also know that Alabama at least up to around Selma used to be under a shallow sea. We know that just the opposite was also true in the more near past because of the underwater cypress forest off of Ft Morgan that proves the Mobile/Tensaw delta used to be much further offshore. We know that the dinosaurs were cold blooded and that it must have been a warm climate in Montana for them to exist there. The earth's weather is constantly changing back and forth and always has been. Trying to control other people's lives because of it is the real issue.

The coming ice age/ global warming/ climate change/ climate catastrophe is big business , just as it's been since the 1970's. The predictions from the 70's didn't come true. Neither did the ones from the 90's or 2000's. I get a kick out of seeing people get so worked up over something they have no control over. I wish God would have thought about all of us humans destroying what he created before he made all this bible prophecy about end times. According to some scientist, and citizen climate worriers, no one will be around to see those prophecies.

So Gomer what you're saying is the train of thought I was on. When species become threatened there are people who want power to control the resource and then there are groups like hunters who responsibly apply programs that work to conserve the resource. So in my opinion hunters and true outdoorsmen are the modern day conservationist. So let's say it is man made. That us pumping CO2 into the atmosphere is changing the climate but just not maybe as fast as some of the power freaks are screaming (world ending in 12 years). Why couldn't the modern day conservationists put together feasible plans that actually could be implemented?

I think to do that first we would all need to see past the political affiliations that have been ingrained on this issue and acknowledge that its happening then do something sensible to fix it.

There are many factors that have effected what we now see as our weather. You may not believe in global warming. But, as others have stated that way back in the last 60 years or so the climate was a lot different back then with more snow, colder temps etc.. On the other hand if you look at weather we have now you cannot discount the effect that mankind has had on the planet as a whole either. We cut down wide swaths of trees every year all over the planet which helped remove C02 from the atmosphere thereby keeping the temps from rising each year/decade. We keep expanding outwards from already populated areas laying concrete that holds heat in and releases it at night. Sooner or later this type of expansion will tip the scales of what the Earth can bounce back from and the human race will have no choice but to realize that we have indeed had a major role in the Earths climate demise. It will not happen in our time as many scientists relate, but it will happen sooner or later. I remember when we had four seasons. Now it seems to be only 2 or maybe 3 depending on where you are located. The animal populations from bees to our beloved deer are on the decline with diseases not ever seen before. There are species that go extinct every year. Who or what do we blame this on? It's gotta start somewhere. I would love a gentle spring with cooler temps for Turkey hunting that roll into summer for fun in the sun. I remember a fall time with an "Indian" summer for a week or 2 before a nice cold winter moving in. It's all gone now, we see a blistering summers followed by a couple of weeks for fall, and a lukewarm winter. It's all changing that's a fact. What will(can) we do about it? It boils down to who we think we can blame and one side gets butt hurt while the other has no better ideas and would just as soon bicker as to find a resolution. It's called politics. Just like the Dems try to blame the right for everything. It has become comical to watch our elected officials point fingers at each other, rather than come up with an actual remedy. It's getting truly embarrassing watching the sheeple getting herded from point to point while to wolves keep carving away from the 2nd to the corn. The rally cry should be Idots, Morans and Caulds oh my... sorry for rant.

Why not start at home? Have you stopped using as much gasoline? I certainly hope your'e not eating any meat. What about keeping your home much cooler in the winter, and warmer in the summer, thereby using less electricity?

Yes, I have cut back on the electricity. I don't drive my car more than necessary. I try to get my stuff done in one trip as much as I can. I try not to waste. And yes I have cut back on meat consumption, but enjoy steak once in a while like you I'm sure. I am no tree hugger by any means. I'm definitely trying to do my little part as best as I can. What about you??

I remember being taught in school the earth was still coming out of the last ice age so temps would be rising.

I don't believe the OP was trying to start, another, climate change debate?

Good. Not many folks practice what they preach.

& eggs b/c of the cholesterol ... now they're saying eating red meat causes cancer

I hope everyone starts driving less and eating less. Prices would go down and I could eat better and travel more.

So what yall gonna do about the goings on in Asia? The USA is a drop in the bucket compared to China and Russia and i don't believe they're too concerned about global warming. Throw on top of that what's happening in south America...it don't matter what we do here.

Its Climate! It always changes, always has and always will!

I may be mis-remembering, but I'm pretty sure I've read some stats that basically say China and India, together, account for an overwhelming majority of pollution/greenhouse gasses/etc, more than the rest of the world combined.....so yeah, anything "we" do is just virtue-signaling until we force their hand.

Too bad the "chemist" doesn't actually use science. Who said anything about heating ALL of the ocean water? The temp of the water 2 miles down doesn't mean much. The top layer of water is what matters. Are we to believe the Gulf of Mexico surface water doesn't heat up during the summer? Where is his math on that? Hot air melts ice that's above sea level...not hot ocean water. Does snow up north melt during the summer because of changing ocean temps or air temps?

Yea, last time I checked the entire earth was covered in ice and guess what? It thawed out and that was waaaaaayyyyyy before any man made greenhouse gases were around. Just look back when we were breaking heat records a couple weeks ago. Did you notice that some of the records were several decades old? Whats up with that? Look, the world is changing, it always is. Remember the dinosaurs, well they're not around anymore, and we didn't get rid of them. Everything in nature runs in cycles. Don't know where ya'll hunt but it gets down in the low 20's quite a few times, even the teens. Hell just a few years ago we broke a record for cold days in single digits. Nothing ever stays the same.

I’m surprised that anybody on this site would change anything they’re doing in any shape form or fashion thinking they’re helping save the planet. As far as climate change. Yeah I believe there are cycles that the climate goes through and yes it’s a lot different than when I was a kid. Is it man made, I seriously doubt it. I think any change in anything at all will be blown up into a doomsday scenario by the government so we can’t pay more taxes and they can save us. Give me a break. So no I’m not doing anything about it because the whole “I’ll carpool” idea so it will save our kids is just a bunch of BS.

You are correct..... was just more curious if the old guys thought the hysteria matched their experience.

Did it actually snow more 50,60,70 years ago or do people just remember the snow better than what happen the rest of that winter. Would be interesting to see the total snowfall in Birmingham for each year for the last 100 years.

anyone who believes that the current climate change is caused by humans is an idiot. The climate has been changing cooler/hotter for millions of years before humans inhabited the earth.

Exactly!!

What if someone doesn't believe the earth is that old? The Bible ages it around 7,000 years

Boy, you're just hitting all the high spots in one thread, huh?

It's rainy outside and I don't have a lot to do at work, hahaha

Well CO2 is only 0.04% of our atmosphere. Even if it doubled that is still a minuscule amount of change. The earth has always gone through cooling and warming periods. We are currently in a warming period, since the end of the last ice age. But the pendulum will swing back the other way and things will cool again. Someday New York city will be covered in ice. But humans will probably not still be here then.

https://www.bhamwiki.com/w/List_of_snowfalls

Here you go. I don't see a discernible trend. The biggest snowfall was '93, which is hardly ancient history.

Not a single 2" snowfall from 1/1/64 through the early '80's.

Some of y'all fellers had better be in your 70's to clearly remember things from the 1950's and earlier.

BTW, i'm 56 and don't remember a lot of snow back when I was a kid. The '92 blizzard, of course, but we've had some really good snows over the past few years. Last year we didn't get any, but the year before that we got 8" at one time. I remember having a white Christmas about 4-5 years ago.

Just out of my curiosity can you tell me what years in this 6000 was the sharks in Eutaw ala

Coldest winter I remember was 1966 or 67 I had to replace every galvanized pipe in my house. It was about 3 days before we thawed out. I was in Camden sometime in the 80's, the temp on the bank sign was 3 degrees and snow everywhere. I believe it was in 1972 that it snowed so much, the 3 mile bridge across Pensacola bay closed.

God formed man fully mature with marrow in his bones... are you implying he can’t create a planet fully mature as well with organic matter inside of it?

During the great flood, of course. You must have missed my point that we are surmising too much about something that we have very limited information on?

I does no have to snow to be cold

Global warming and new vs old earth in the same thread. Sweet!

Global warming is bulldoodoo . I believe in new earth.

My point is the earth has been expanding from Eutaw Ala to the tip of Florida during this 6000 years now the earth is just receding and for a like of a explanation we are calling it Global warming, just going through a cycle.

CO2 is a greenhouse gas.
Plants consume CO2.
Vegetarians eat plants.
We should do something about vegetarians.

Almost sounds like somebody made that up dont it. But really weve been measuring co2 for 60 years so well double that and add 30more years so itll sound more convincing. The scientists would be much more convincing if they werent a bunch of liars.

This guy gets it.

All you guys that remember a big snow every year when you was a kid just have bad memories. Looks like it has only snowed 4" or more about 12 times since 1900 in Birmingham.

They were smaller then, so the snow looked deeper!

Try learning science and reading science papers and not rely on “science” from politicians.

Do you believe that melting Ice increases the volume of water??

Do we really have to point out and debate the earths ever changing climate? Trying to stop the earths climate from changing may be more catastrophic than futile. You’d need two identical universes to compare results.

Let’s rid the world of litter before we attempt to lower the earths temp.

Lets figure out how to feed everyone.

It does when the ice is above sea level.

I was a kid in the 80s too and I remember snow about as often as I do now. Also remember summers so hot it was hard to breath the minute you open the front door. dont really notice much change

You just said co2 had doubled in 150 years then turned right around and said they had only been studying it for 60yrs. Is that not a lie? I made that statement based 100% on what you have said in this thread. But the same thing happens every day. And I dont value anything any politician says in the least, I dont even know where you came up with that. Scientific "facts" constantly change depending on the scientist who is rattling them off at the time.

I googled it, Internet says the ocean could rise up to 6cm if every iceberg were to melt. https://physics.stackexchange.com/q...ge-the-water-level-in-a-container#110649

I’d guess the extra heat would also cause extra evaporation. But I don’t fret things I can’t control.

We have been DIRECTLY measuring it from the atmosphere for the past 60 years. We can measure samples of the atmosphere (gas bubbles) preserved in ice going back thousands of years. We MEASURE the CO2 concentration of air trapped for 100 years, 500 years, etc. Is that too difficult for you to comprehend? Based on THOSE measurements, CO2 has almost doubled since the industrial revolution started roughly 150 years ago. This is a restatement of what I have already said. You’re lack of reading comprehension doesn’t make me a liar.

I comprehend just fine that you are passing theory off as fact and that is my point exactly. You are now assuming you can say for certain exactly when some ice deep in the ground formed but thats not really possible. Just somebodys theory and if you ask 10 different men or the company or agency they represent, you will get ten different answers. Were just talking about two different things. Im talking about facts or the lack thereof and you are talking about theories or the abundance thereof.

Like I said, go learn science first and then open your mouth.

Holy hell. This thread is proof of why you can't believe anything on the interwebs, ever.

I used to use our compendium of common knowledge (internet) to learn about stuff.

About 3 years ago I realized it was all a giant chit show and nothing anywhere was true.

Carry on

Joe, I just dont agree with alot of your theories. That does not make me ignorant or unlearned. You dont even know me so surely you couldnt begin to tell me what ive studied, but yet you do and that goes right along with this pattern of passing your opinion off as fact.

Bring on the Ice Age!!!! WTH caused that? Exactly. And many of the heat records recently were broken from the early 1900's. shucks happens in cycles.

Agreed. For one, never ever check the internet to find out about an ailment you are experiencing. The internet will have you convinced you won't live to see the next day. My wife is the worst and always manages to freak herself out by checking symptoms online.

You can disagree all you want, but that doesn't mean that [fill in the blank] is wrong. Bring something to the table other than "scientists are making up stuff, my 6th grade science teacher told me _____, there is not 100% perfect consensus on _______, I know nothing about it therefore it's wrong" and the like and I'll listen to you all day long. Taking quantitative measurements on something is not "opinion." You're using the word "theory" as if you're talking about the existence of Nessie. A theory for actual scientists is the explanation of natural phenomenon based on the best observations, measurements, etc. that we can make. Theories are refined as we get better observations, measurements, etc. CO2 dramatically increasing is not an opinion or theory, it's a observation.

I just turned 58 on Saturday. I remember it snowed at Eva one winter so deep my Dad had to dig a path out to feed our Black Angus cows. And my Mom made pictures of it. I remember the Tenn River froze over in some spots people drove trucks out on it. We moved to Decatur and we would be out from school 3 or 4 times a year from snow. I remember summers where it was over a hundred also as we only had window units for cooling. I think it is going back the other way. Hope the quail come back as I remember my dad and friends killing 30 birds on a Saturday hunt.

And there is really no consistent scientific opinion what that really will do the the climate. What we do know from 150 years or so of photographic evidence, is that sea levels have not significantly changed.

The gas bubbles in the ice you mentioned. Exactly how do you know how old that gas bubble is or the ice the bubble is in. How do you know there wasnt something going on on the particular day the bubble formed that caused co2 levels to be higher than other days that year? The theory you are presenting is not the only theory out there explaining what youre talking about. The other theories also have evidence supporting them and scientist who believe in them. So far you have some gas in a bubble. I have no problem with the level of co2 in your bubble. But tell me how it got there, what was going on that day or even how long ago it was without a doubt? Thats where the theory comes into play, not the measurement of the co2.

I've seen more snow in South Bama in the last 10 years (even broke a record in mobile few years ago) than i did growing up in the 80s and 90s

Those pictures don't really prove anything......depending on time of day, the tide and weather conditions at the time each one was taken, water levels could have varied greatly. Someone who supports the idea of rising ocean levels could easily argue against the evidence those pictures are supposed to provide by saying that the old pictures could have been taken at high tide while the "current" ones were taken at low tide.

Gomer, I was going by the visible high water stains in both pictures. That is more indicative of the actual water level that tides or time of day.

Fair enough, but if you count down, from the window, to the first "dark row" of bricks in the first pic (of the gun tower), it's 12 rows down. In the 2nd pic, it's only 10 rows down...so, by that reasoning the average high water mark has risen roughly 2 rows, or several inches. If that were the case, that would be significant...

Great questions. I'll answer the best I can once I get a little free time today. I will follow up on this.

Let's assume for second that the global warming guys are 100 percent right. Do they honestly believe that they can can change the climate "back" to what is was 150 years ago by laws and regulations?

I hear them talk about worrying about their grandchildren. So let's look say 50 years out.

So let's give you 100 % control to change all the laws and regulations in the whole world. You think you can control the earth's atmosphere to what is was 150 years ago?

It' all pride folks. Pride is the downfall of man.

You can bet your last dollar that when politicians get involved, and try to influence public opinion on a topic, the driving force behind it is money and power. And if you do not fall in line and become a part of the group-think mentality, you are going to have a hard time getting funding to prove otherwise. There are numerous world re-known scientists that have been pushed out of their fields and out of academia all-together because they did not fall lock-step with the climate change crowd. Just the fact that this happens is enough for me to distrust man-made, world-ending, life-as-we-know-it-is-over climate change.

hey, bill Nye the global warming guy....why did noaa go back and falsify historical data to make temps look more “changed” than they were, before the previous pres went to the Paris summit??

This and this goes back to my point of the government wanting to create a doomsday scenario so taxes can save us all. It’s just a big scam.

Facts are not the real issue in these kinds of debates. Everyone has access to the same data. Real science gets real data that can be observed and tracked.
It is the interpretation of the facts and the application of the facts along with Progressive scientists manipulating facts fro their own agenda that are the real problem children in these discussions.
This is where the wheels come off for everyone.
We are only left with Faith and Hope. I'll put my faith and hope in Christ....anyone who wants to put faith and hope in "science" and the planet can go ahead but I can tell you a better way.

CO2 rising...ok. So? There is not a real authority to state what CO2 should be today...which date in history was the optimal CO2 level and who was there to test, measure, monitor and observe it and let me see that data.
Ice Melting? Ok, isn't that kinda of expected as the earth warms up post Ice Age....because Pre-Ice Age wasn't there much less ice per the "scientists" modeling? Less Ice...then Ice Age with More Ice..then a gradual change back to what it was before means more warmth so melting ice, right? Seems cyclical and natural at face value.
Temps rising? Ok....well sometimes but not always and we have seen multiple manipulations in science data over the years. Yes, science publishing false reports to push their new religion.
Would it surprise me to know the Earth is in a state of decay and chaos and change? Not at all, because that is consistent with Genesis. So maybe we are warming up due to God's work or his allowance for the curse to continue not just on mankind, but on the earth too. The fall of man had real consequences, so it would not surprise me that we may be in some state of permanent change of the climate.

I'm 100% for clean air and water and being a good steward of the earth that God created and ordained for us to take care of. But I also understand the Progressive Movement motives in using Climate Change/Global Warming as a platform to implement their political will on the masses. The evidence of the perversions and distortions are open and obvious....unless someone has an alternative agenda and they wish to go along with it. But some people don't follow an agenda on purpose...they have simply been honestly deceived and are following along on a false path. Good people who are just hooked into wrong thinking. Which is funny, because I get told that all the time from agnostics, atheists, and people I know who are agenda driven Progressives. It's all full circle and time will answer all questions...that is a certainty.

The claim of "man made global warming/climate change" is 100% propaganda Big Lie bs brought to planet Earth courtesy of the Atheist Globalist political elites.
They want Global government and control - and will do anything to achieve it.

Al Gore even publicly and famously stated that " GLOBAL WARMING IS ABOUT GLOBAL GOVERNMENT".

If you repeat a lie BIG enough, loud enough, and long enough - eventually most people will believe it to be true.
Such is the case with "global warming."

People need to not be so foolish and gullible.
There is no excuse for such stupidity.

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The climate is always changing - by God's design.
There has always been long term warming trends and long term cooling trends.
Ice ages.
Etc.
It is all normal.

An Angel too

"no excuse for such stupidity"....this is the truth. Only a liar or an idiot believes the money driven propaganda of human caused climate change.

It was the back water that froze over. But I have seen a picture of before the dam was built with a model A out on the river section when it was froze. Tigger you remember the first time we got gatorade at football practice? Our favorite manager was out there mixing it up in the cooler with his hand. Those couple sips sure were good!

Highest daily snowfall recorded at Birmingham each year
Inches Date Centimeters
2.0 March 01, 2009 5.1
0.1 March 08, 2008 0.3
trace February 17, 2007 trace
trace January 23, 2006 trace
trace April 22, 2005 trace
trace October 14, 2004 + trace
trace July 21, 2003 + trace
trace February 27, 2002 + trace
– 2001 –
3.0 January 28, 2000 7.6
trace January 02, 1999 + trace
– 1998 –
1.6 December 29, 1997 4.1
0.9 February 02, 1996 2.3
0.8 February 06, 1995 2.0
trace January 27, 1994 + trace
10.3 March 13, 1993 26.2
4.4 January 18, 1992 11.2
trace November 08, 1991 + trace
trace December 24, 1990 + trace
0.4 December 09, 1989 1.0
1.0 January 07, 1988 2.5
5.0 April 03, 1987 12.7
trace December 12, 1986 + trace
0.3 February 12, 1985 0.8
2.0 March 10, 1984 5.1
1.5 March 24, 1983 3.8
5.0 January 13, 1982 12.7
trace December 21, 1981 + trace
0.3 March 02, 1980 0.8
trace February 25, 1979 + trace
1.0 January 26, 1978 2.5
1.0 January 18, 1977 2.5
trace December 31, 1976 + trace
trace December 18, 1975 + trace
0.4 December 01, 1974 1.0
trace December 20, 1973 trace
trace March 03, 1972 + trace
0.5 February 13, 1971 1.3
1.1 January 19, 1970 2.8
trace December 22, 1969 + trace
1.0 January 14, 1968 2.5
0.8 February 09, 1967 2.0
1.2 January 29, 1966 3.0
trace March 20, 1965 + trace
0.4 January 01, 1964 1.0
8.0 December 31, 1963 20.3
3.5 January 09, 1962 8.9
trace December 27, 1961 + trace
2.3 February 13, 1960 5.8
trace December 07, 1959 + trace
3.3 December 13, 1958 8.4
0.7 March 08, 1957 1.8
trace December 29, 1956 + trace
trace December 09, 1955 + trace
trace December 19, 1954 + trace
trace December 14, 1953 + trace
trace January 07, 1952 + trace
0.2 February 01, 1951 0.5
1.0 November 24, 1950 2.5
1.0 January 30, 1949 2.5
3.8 January 23, 1948 9.7
trace December 12, 1947 + trace
trace December 19, 1946 + trace
1.5 December 18, 1945 3.8
2.0 December 11, 1944 5.1
trace December 14, 1943 + trace
2.5 March 02, 1942 6.4
2.0 February 28, 1941 5.1
9.5 January 23, 1940 24.1
trace December 29, 1939 trace
0.5 November 24, 1938 1.3
0.8 December 08, 1937 2.0
8.0 January 30, 1936 20.3
1.0 December 22, 1935 2.5
1.0 March 19, 1934 2.5
0.0 March 07, 1933 + 0.0
0.3 December 16, 1932 + 0.8
0.1 March 03, 1931 0.3
5.5 January 29, 1930 14.0

Snowfall is not an indicator of how cold the periods were. It can snow at 35 and not at 0.

Let's start with the age of the ice/bubbles/CO2. If you cut a tree down, it is very straightforward that the number of tree rings is directly related to the age of the tree. 35 rings means the tree is 35 years old. Trees are fairly simple as they grow during the spring/summer and go dormant during the winter, which results in contrasting layers and easy to see annual rings. Yeah, some trees don't make rings very well and trees typically don't live very long.

If you take a core into an ice cap (Greenland, Antartica), you also find "rings" in the form of layers, but these layers represent 1 year of snowfall. Fresh snow starts of soft, fluffy, and mostly air. As that layer of snow gets buried by more seasons worth of snow, pressure from the snow above compacts the snow (what was once maybe a couple feet of snow is now maybe 6 inches of snow). It's more of a slushie texture. More snow builds up above, more pressure, more compaction, and you end up with a layer of ice maybe a half inch thick or thereabouts. But it's not just pure ice, air bubbles are throughout the ice and preserve a sample of the atmosphere when that layer of snow was first deposited.



Take a core in 2019 for example and start counting layers down and you get the age of each layer, similar to counting the rings in a tree. Valid questions would be: How do you know each layer is one year? What if there are a bunch of layers missing? Confidence is added when you find anomalies in the ice core, such as a thin layer of volcanic ash. If you're in Greenland, then that ash layer might be due to a volcanic eruption in nearby Iceland. Maybe the eruption was in 1950 (just making up a random date), and the ash layer was 69 layers/years down. Maybe you find another ash layer that's a couple hundred layers down that's really close to a historical eruption, but they are off by 3-4 years. Do you throw out the whole idea because somewhere along the line you counted what should have been two separate layers as just 1? The age errors on these ice core records are usually accurate to about 1 or 2%. Ash layer shown below.



How do we know that something funky didn't happen on a particular year? Valid question. Scientists don't put all their eggs in one basket. We've collected many many ice cores from Greenland and Antartica and get similar records of CO2 and other gasses trapped in the ice. Are there subtle differences? Sure. Does not being an exact perfect match negate their records? No. Also, none of these analyzes are of a single air bubble.

For what it is worth, this is research that has been going on for decades, not some emerging science that we're still trying to figure out. If you want the research papers I can get them to you somehow. Below are a couple citations. For testing the reliability of the measurements, one would simply need to measure the gas trapped in a layer of snow from a particular year, let's say 1970, and then compare it to the CO2 concentration measured directly from the atmosphere from the same year. Then do the same for other years. The atmosphere is mixed well enough that the CO2 concentration in Alabama is about the same as it is in Hawaii, and Greenland, and Antartica, etc. for any given time.

U. Siegenthaler & H. Oeschger (1987) Biospheric CO2 emissions during the past 200 years reconstructed by deconvolution of ice core data, Tellus B: Chemical and Physical Meteorology, 39:1-2, 140-154, DOI: 10.3402/tellusb.v39i1-2.15331

1983 "Comparison of CO2 measurements by two laboratories on air from bubbles in polar ice" Nature

Here is a short video on the topic. Do we honestly think that people would go to some of the most miserable places on earth to collect these samples just to make up false or meaningless data?

Correct. Our cold snaps are when dry arctic air makes it all the way down here. We get snow when we have the right timing of moisture from the Gulf meeting up with advancing cold air from the north.

Yeah, pictures could be used to try to make an argument either way.

Keep in mind I haven't once said we're all doomed, we're going to die, etc. There are plenty of idiots complaining of sea level rise and then turning around and build a condo on the beach.

I think you're exactly right. Government and regulations is the fastest way to screw things up worse. I'm all for protecting the environment and having better sources of energy, but let American ingenuity be the driving force of that...not meetings in Paris.

Climate changes all the time and global warming is nothing but a money maker for scientist. In the 80's it was "the next ice age is coming". Well it never came and the funds dried up so now it's global warming. Hey but the hole in the ozone layer is smaller than it's ever been.

This link illustrates that ice core studies are still just a theory by SOME scientists. Others do not subscribe to that theory. It certainly does not help the theory that this is a man-made climate change.

https://www.newscientist.com/articl...es-show-co2-rising-as-temperatures-fell/

The conclusion from this:

"Jury still out

On a much bigger timescale, looking back 600 million years or more – when CO2 levels may have been as high as 5000 parts per million at times – there are substantial questions about whether the CO2-temperature correlation holds up. Some studies suggest that there are major discrepancies during at least two periods. Others claim the relationship holds up fairly well, including this recent study.

The jury is still out because the reliability of estimates of temperature and CO2 levels so long ago is extremely questionable."

The rings indicare times above freezing and times below freezing or snow then rain, or snow then ice. I can agree with that. I have read and listened to other scientists who feel this is a very poor way of judging periods of time. Kind of like tree rings being dry periods and wet periods, also a poor indicator of age. Some trees have been known to grow 8-10 sets of rings in a year. Over a large amount of time that could throw a study way off. I figured your answer would be counting rings or measuring some other levels in the ice which would lead to a whole nother circular reasoning argument. I really wish you had had something factual and for sure.