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Re: Probably about to piss some folks off [Re: Big Game Hunter] #2932107
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Originally Posted by Big Game Hunter
For what it worth.

CNC I have your number saved in my phone. wink


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Unclehuck....My phone number is in my tag line. Give me a call if you ever need help. If you're out of my area then I'll try to get you in contact with a good tracker closer to you.

Here's my number. I noticed my tag line doesn't show up on my phone

334-421-1811


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Re: Probably about to piss some folks off [Re: CNC] #2932109
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Originally Posted by CNC
I’ll add this to conversation too……I go on some easy tracks that some very experienced blood trackers might have otherwise recovered without the use of a dog…..But the vast majority of the ones I go on….even the best human trackers out there wouldn’t have stood snowballs chance in hell of finding the deer or better yet….giving the situation some closure.

I remember a track from a couple of years ago on a brisket bow shot where the buck ran about 300 yards through a stand of young pines right down a worn out deer trail until it came to an interior hunting club road. The worn out trail went straight across and kept going. The deer however decided to hang a left and run straight down the middle of the hunting club road for about 300 yards…..into a green field and out the other side and on down the road some before deciding to hang another left onto just some random trail that took him back toward his bedding area. We found him about 200 more yards down that trail in the young pine stand. Good luck tracking that one by looking for broke sticks, branches, and tracks. grin


I shot a deer about 60 yards away on power line one morning and it did not run after the shot. I could see a half mile down the line, so I know the deer did not cross back over. After walking a semi-circle area between 50 to 100 yards across one way and the other I could not find the deer. After an hour or two getting tore up in those vines and briars from head to toe I gave up. I was almost 100% sure I hit that deer. Wore myself out both mentally and physically and could not understand why it was not laying 10 yards off the clearing.
Long story short decided a couple of weeks later to try and find the carcass. Went back and the deer was laying about 15 yards from where I shot it. Only thing I can figure is it eventually came back and bedded down near where I shot it hours or days later. Area did not look like a well used bedding area, so really strange to me why it came back there. Bet a dog would have found that deer which may have been right out of my view 110 yards away. Like you are trying to tell folks hard to fool an experienced tracker and good dog.

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Re: Probably about to piss some folks off [Re: jaredhunts] #2932196
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Originally Posted by jaredhunts
It's probably just the cool thing to do these days.

Amazingly so, I think so too. Basically admitting you made a bad shot and have no tracking skills.

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Re: Probably about to piss some folks off [Re: Maggie123] #2932266
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Originally Posted by Maggie123
Personally, I think a lot of folks are just lazy and don't want to do the work to track their kill. I am a 61 year old lady who taught her 15 year old grandson how to track/trail a deer through some of the thickest brush on our property. He knew NOTHING about tracking, finding a blood trail, looking for drag signs, disturbed leaves, broken branches etcetera. I had to grab him by the arm when we entered the woods to keep him from ruining the trail. Granted, he was young but his dad, who had been taking him hunting before, taught him absolutely nothing.

Not only did we find the buck but I helped him drag it out of the woods and got a skull mount commerating his nana teaching him how to trail a deer. It was a great evening and cold as hell.


your story brings back great memories for me. my grandmother taught me a lot about hunting. We spent endless hours squirrel hunting and just learning about animals and growing food. She was known as one of the best hunters in the county and even though she has been gone now for about 15 years is still has a lasting presence every year at deer camp. wish I could shoot that model 12 Winchester like she could, then there would be no need for all these tracking conversations.


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Originally Posted by Big Game Hunter
Let me say this first. I may have to call a tracking dog the next time I go hunting. I have no issue with tracking dogs, dog handlers or the use or said dogs.

That being said; are people worse shots these days or does anyone know how to actually track a wounded animal? Or both?

I follow numerous deer hunting pages on Facebook from Alabama and other states. There is always someone on each page CONSTANTLY asking for a number for a tracking dog handler. I’ve seen Numerous post since Tuesday of pics of a bloody arrow and some blood and the poster asking for a tracking dog BEFORE he even tries to find his own deer.

What the he!! Is happening to our sport that “hunters” won’t even try and find their own damn deer?????

Its pathetic is what it is I've seen several on that nose to the ground that didn't even attempt to track it either learn how to shoot or if they can't do that learn how to track if neither give it up


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Re: Probably about to piss some folks off [Re: Big Game Hunter] #2932530
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Originally Posted by Big Game Hunter
Originally Posted by BamaGuitarDude
Originally Posted by Big Game Hunter
That being said; are people worse shots these days or does anyone know how to actually track a wounded animal? Or both? (... snip ...) What the he!! Is happening to our sport that “hunters” won’t even try and find their own damn deer?????


why process your own deer if you can drive it up the road a piece & drop it off with somebody to do it for you? see my point? times/things change ... i've known GREAT hunters for years who've had dogs to "track" deer ... IMO what's happening now since social media/interwebs exploded is you've got marketing of tracking services to hunters ... so why bother?

i would not hesitate to call a tracker -- much like the Pinhoti guy did in his recent video -- if my best efforts had failed & i knew i'd hit the deer with my shot


Processing your own deer and knowing how to track a wounded animal aren't the same thing. Sorry Bro.....


of course not; my point was related to the availability of getting someone else to do something for you vs. you doing it yourself ...


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Re: Probably about to piss some folks off [Re: Ar1220] #2932573
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Originally Posted by Ar1220
Ain't hurting no feelings here, but you asked and hers my take
I am a deer Hunter and also a tracker, here is the problem I see in some of the calls I go on
1. Lack of woodsmanship and inability or lack of understanding on what to do after a shot either a good one or bad one
2.not giving enough time on a bow shot before they start to look
3.use of large mechanical broadheads on lower poundage bows or lightweight arrows or a combination of both
4. Hunters esp younger/ newer hunters don't have a good understanding of some things that are for the most part understood by older hunters I think that has something to do with the fact that a lot of older hunters were brought up in a hunting environment and kinda learned alot of things without it being pointed out as much as it was just what you do.
Now with all that said when me or my family kills one we do use the dog on every recovery unless it's a bang flop simply because I need to work him asmuch as I can to make him better when I do really need him.
I will also add this in some ways I think another reason you see more requests for dogs is that people are lil smarter in some aspects to go ahead and call and get a dog coming or on standby in case they can't find it which is a good thing in its own way.and there is more people that are tracking now so it's more available


All of the above. Plus they get to let everyone on social media know they may have killed a deer. Humble brag if you will.


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Re: Probably about to piss some folks off [Re: Big Game Hunter] #2932578
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Hey...while we are on the subject.... I've got 4 big does out in front of me right now. Before I sling an arrow, does anyone know if there is a tracking dog close to north Madison Co?


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Re: Probably about to piss some folks off [Re: Big Game Hunter] #2932585
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Originally Posted by bobwallace
Hey...while we are on the subject.... I've got 4 big does out in front of me right now. Before I sling an arrow, does anyone know if there is a tracking dog close to north Madison Co?


make sure to check their nipples first!..............wait, I think that was a different thread...

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Re: Probably about to piss some folks off [Re: Big Game Hunter] #2932600
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I think hunting videos have had a lot to do with it over the years. If you get on that big swamp donkey in your hex suit while shooting your 300fps Waddell endorsed bow you don't need to do anything but go get in the stand over your corn pile covered in swamp donkey apple butter. Forget about practice or learning some woodsmanship. Who needs it!

Re: Probably about to piss some folks off [Re: 1bamashooter] #2932770
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Originally Posted by 1bamashooter

Its pathetic is what it is I've seen several on that nose to the ground that didn't even attempt to track it......


Year before last….Mr. Randy Vick (goes by trackncur on here) received a call from a man in south Georgia who said he’d just shot the biggest buck he’d even shot in his life. It’s one they had been after for a while and he was a giant. He said that he felt like he made a good shot but he didn’t want to take any chances so he slipped out of his stand without even walking to the hit site and came straight back home to get Mr. Randy on his way with the dog. When they got there and started searching, they quickly found the buck at only around 100 yards. It turned out to be the biggest deer killed in the state of GA that year. Was he pathetic for backing out and calling in the dog to make sure he recovered that buck?

This conversation is really just silly and a lot like the ones that were had when crossbows were legalized. Let me ask y’all this…..There’s a fairly new product for helping blood track deer call Luminol. Its some tablets you dissolve in water that when sprayed across the blood trail causes it to glow neon blue at night. Do any of you have an issue with hunters backing out and going to get some luminol to help find their deer?



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This is almost as bad as some of the tractor threads. "If you don't do it the way I do, then you MUST be wrong!"

Same guys use a chainsaw, though, instead of felling with an axe and bucking up the firewood with a misery whip.

Any legal method to take and/or recover a game animal should be treated with equal respect. You hunt your way, and let everyone else hunt their way. If you don't want to use a tracking dog, then feel free to abstain, but there is no criticism needed for the ones who chose to do that.

Not everyone grew up in a hunting family with expert tracking abilities, and not everyone has the same skillset. Why demean others without knowing their background?

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Originally Posted by CNC
Originally Posted by 1bamashooter

Its pathetic is what it is I've seen several on that nose to the ground that didn't even attempt to track it......


Year before last….Mr. Randy Vick (goes by trackncur on here) received a call from a man in south Georgia who said he’d just shot the biggest buck he’d even shot in his life. It’s one they had been after for a while and he was a giant. He said that he felt like he made a good shot but he didn’t want to take any chances so he slipped out of his stand without even walking to the hit site and came straight back home to get Mr. Randy on his way with the dog. When they got there and started searching, they quickly found the buck at only around 100 yards. It turned out to be the biggest deer killed in the state of GA that year. Was he pathetic for backing out and calling in the dog to make sure he recovered that buck?

This conversation is really just silly and a lot like the ones that were had when crossbows were legalized. Let me ask y’all this…..There’s a fairly new product for helping blood track deer call Luminol. Its some tablets you dissolve in water that when sprayed across the blood trail causes it to glow neon blue at night. Do any of you have an issue with hunters backing out and going to get some luminol to help find their deer?



Luminol has been around for many years.

Stop using sharpened sticks or 243's and get a bigger gun and you don't need no tracking dog.

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Originally Posted by CNC
Originally Posted by 1bamashooter

Its pathetic is what it is I've seen several on that nose to the ground that didn't even attempt to track it......


Year before last….Mr. Randy Vick (goes by trackncur on here) received a call from a man in south Georgia who said he’d just shot the biggest buck he’d even shot in his life. It’s one they had been after for a while and he was a giant. He said that he felt like he made a good shot but he didn’t want to take any chances so he slipped out of his stand without even walking to the hit site and came straight back home to get Mr. Randy on his way with the dog. When they got there and started searching, they quickly found the buck at only around 100 yards. It turned out to be the biggest deer killed in the state of GA that year. Was he pathetic for backing out and calling in the dog to make sure he recovered that buck?

This conversation is really just silly and a lot like the ones that were had when crossbows were legalized. Let me ask y’all this…..There’s a fairly new product for helping blood track deer call Luminol. Its some tablets you dissolve in water that when sprayed across the blood trail causes it to glow neon blue at night. Do any of you have an issue with hunters backing out and going to get some luminol to help find their deer?




you just highlighted one reason why I have a problem with your thinking in general. The fact is that the guy got all into bringing in the dogs for his "antlers." if he needed that dog so bad to find his trophy buck I hope he calls every time he shoots a doe.

but seriously, who are you trying to convince at this point. most say that dogs have there place. heck I wish I had one about 5 years ago on a track that went cold. however, some of us believe that if you have no idea of how to track a deer (and no interest in learning) maybe you shouldn't be pulling the trigger in the 1st place.

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Originally Posted by Semo


you just highlighted one reason why I have a problem with your thinking in general. The fact is that the guy got all into bringing in the dogs for his "antlers." if he needed that dog so bad to find his trophy buck I hope he calls every time he shoots a doe.

but seriously, who are you trying to convince at this point. most say that dogs have there place. heck I wish I had one about 5 years ago on a track that went cold. however, some of us believe that if you have no idea of how to track a deer (and no interest in learning) maybe you shouldn't be pulling the trigger in the 1st place.


I’m not trying to convince anyone…..I’m just representing one side of the debate and telling the things I see as a tracker. There are very few of us here to represent how we see things unfolding….and like I said before…we aren’t just basing our opinions off of assumptions.

Yes, people call just almost exclusively on bucks….Do I condone it as being right? No…….But it just is what it is….I get it…..Also, I’ve found that a lot of folks who like to stand up and talk real righteous on the internet tend to do no different than others when the actual situation falls on their doorstep. They just like to talk a big game in front of others. If 99% of all calls are bucks and no one is calling on a doe then that tells me that very, very few hunters take your righteous approach to it. Is it necessarily right? Ehhhh…..no…….But if I’m honest about it…..I’m not paying $100 to find a doe either. That’s the difference in someone just telling it like it is versus trying to look self-righteous.

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I’ve been shooting deer for 32 years. I was taught early on how to track. Up to this point in life I’ve never called in a dog but you can bet your rear end I’ll call one if needed. I won’t push a wounded deer but I’ll always go to the impact site and take a look. You can usually tell a lot about a hit by the blood you find. I do think “tracking” without a dog is a dieing skill

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Originally Posted by joshm28
I do think “tracking” without a dog is a dieing skill


This thread has gotten way off track like lots of threads we have but your comment was the point I was trying to make.


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Was there ever really a point where hunting was full of great trackers? I'm talking about real trackers like you're describing. I'm guessing if there was it was a looooong time ago and it died well before any dog came on the scene. I'm 40 and I don't know if I've ever seen any real trackers. What y'all are talking about has always been a rare breed....or at least it has been for quite a while

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