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Planting without rain? #2889439
08/27/19 09:31 AM
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I am new to food plotting and I have cleared a .25 ac. area to plant some clover and chicory with some rye. I was planning on putting the seed and fertilizer out this Saturday to be up for archery season, but it looks like there won’t be any rain in the forecast until next Friday. Will the seed and fertilizer be okay to sit for a few days to wait on the rain? It’s hard for me to get to the hunting property whenever I want to based on the rain.

Re: Planting without rain? [Re: JohnMark] #2889457
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Yes. You've got to plant when you can. But you are really early in terms of when most people plant. I'm not planting for another 4-5 weeks from today.

Re: Planting without rain? [Re: Remington270] #2889460
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Thanks. Well like I said, I’m new to this. I just wanted something established enough to be attractive by mid October. I figured the clover would take awhile. So I should wait a few weeks? This plot will mainly be for early season bow hunting.

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Bow season isn't until Oct 15. If you plant towards the end of Sept of first of Oct, you'll have sprouts by the 15th. The longer you wait, the less weed competition you get for your desired species in the plot.

Re: Planting without rain? [Re: JohnMark] #2889803
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The clover you plant now is actually for next spring and summer. If you plant this early you run the risk of army worms eating everything you have, also like others have said the weeds will be a problem.

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Yep - good advice from Remington270 and stl32.


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Re: Planting without rain? [Re: JohnMark] #2890043
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I plant in Lamar and Walker Co. Usually middle of September.


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Re: Planting without rain? [Re: JohnMark] #2890424
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If you have lots of turkeys, they may eat your seed all up if it's not covered or disced in. Put more out than required. As said above, you plant when you can.

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Wait until oct 1st unless you can get some guaranteed rain the last week of September. Plots planted this early either fail (lack of rain and army worms) or do well and become woody. Deer like tender new growth.

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Plant the 3rd week of September and it'll be up by the 15th of October . It'll be growing good and be tender, they won't be able to stay away.



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Re: Planting without rain? [Re: JohnMark] #2890777
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We're well within the pocket of deer planting time. If you can go do it this weekend that would be just as good as doing it in two or three weeks. Don't try to plan around rain, just do it when you can. Seed more than is necessary. The recommended rates are usually low because you'll sell more bags of seed if people think you only need two bags to an acre versus 3 or 4.

Just based on historical weather data your better off planting in September if you want rain versus October. October is our driest month of the year. I've never been a big believer in army worms taking down deer plots unless you are planting near a pasture or active ag fields, that may be a different situation.

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Originally Posted by dirkdaddy
Seed more than is necessary.


I agree with this

Originally Posted by dirkdaddy
The recommended rates are usually low because you'll sell more bags of seed if people think you only need two bags to an acre versus 3 or 4.


This part doesn't make sense to me. Seems like they'd sell more seed if they recommended more pounds per acre.

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I was talking more about the high dollar seed mixes with things like chicory and arrowleaf clover in them, like the $45 a bag wms stuff they claim you only need two bags to plant an entire acre. Their recommend rates are low to avoid sticker shock. You'll often hear about people here supplementing their high dollar bag mixes with a bag of Coker oats or seed wheat to fill in the gaps.

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Thanks for the replies everyone.

Originally Posted by dirkdaddy
We're well within the pocket of deer planting time. If you can go do it this weekend that would be just as good as doing it in two or three weeks. Don't try to plan around rain, just do it when you can. Seed more than is necessary. The recommended rates are usually low because you'll sell more bags of seed if people think you only need two bags to an acre versus 3 or 4.

Just based on historical weather data your better off planting in September if you want rain versus October. October is our driest month of the year. I've never been a big believer in army worms taking down deer plots unless you are planting near a pasture or active ag fields, that may be a different situation.


I was about to put off planting, but you’re post bumped me back to this weekend. I’m planting real world wildlife clover and chicory blend and some elbon rye to help fill it out. This plot is in the woods.

Also, another question related to this: I plan to put a spin cast feeder on this area also. Should I put it out this weekend when I plant or wait a few weeks? I didn’t know if this would effect the planting (extra animal traffic). The area gets some deer traffic now with natural browse- but I killed that off with some gly 2 weeks ago.

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Just make sure you get enough sunlight to the ground and you'll be fine. If it's shady you might have some issues. With it being such a small plot it wouldn't hurt to use some milorganite to keep the deer off it for a while

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We try to wait until the end of September. This heat and dry weather will burn it up quick.

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I'm not planting until I get a decent rain in the forecast. You've got to plant when you can, but seed won't do much till it gets some moisture.

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Last week end in September or first week end in October. Deer are almost always on them opening day of bow season


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Re: Planting without rain? [Re: JohnMark] #2897565
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Planting without rain is like a drug dealer with no drugs. I have no use for it


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Re: Planting without rain? [Re: JohnMark] #2897889
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Way too early to be planting now.
Wait until early/mid October.


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