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Opioid crisis #2889130
08/26/19 10:10 PM
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There was a huge ruling against J & J for half billion dollars.

Why aren’t people going after the Drs that over prescribe these meds ?
Can’t help but think this law suit will result in companies refusing to make any opioid pain meds for fear of being sued.


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Re: Opioid crisis [Re: deadeye48] #2889137
08/26/19 10:16 PM
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Look up the sackler family role in this along with the role that Afghanistan plays in supplying these drugs. Lots of levels and money to be made regardless of the morality most think everyone else abides by, lot of people value money and have not morals.


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Re: Opioid crisis [Re: deadeye48] #2889138
08/26/19 10:16 PM
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Why sue a Dr, when you can sue a mega corp like j&j? It’s all about the money.

Re: Opioid crisis [Re: deadeye48] #2889142
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I understand that there are people who need pain meds and I also understand there are Drs who over prescribe them. I was almost a victim of an over zealous pain Dr. had me on 5 different pain meds at once. I didn’t know which emotion was going to hit at any given moment. I would cry, be angry, be happy, be stoic and many other ways. This went on for 6 weeks until I realized what was happening and I flushed them all. I’ve dealt with pain daily for years now and refuse to take anything because of the experience I had. I just don’t know who should be held accountable but lean towards the Drs because people can’t get them without a prescription. I do know if companies quit making them people will suffer


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Re: Opioid crisis [Re: deadeye48] #2889168
08/27/19 01:03 AM
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The Dr's get paid for writing scrips. Many of them also have ownership in a pharmacy that they refer you too for a (discount) . It's all about $$$$


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Re: Opioid crisis [Re: nomercy] #2889203
08/27/19 06:19 AM
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Originally Posted by nomercy
The Dr's get paid for writing scrips. Many of them also have ownership in a pharmacy that they refer you too for a (discount) . It's all about $$$$


This is incorrect and could not be farther from the truth. Dr's get bonuses on amount of patients seen, not prescriptions written. Due to the government stepping in. Big Pharma is very limited on the "prizes" they give out for you prescribing their meds. Kick backs for prescribing is essentially non-existent now. MD's/PA's/NP's may get a free meal at a nice restaurant to hear a lecture about the latest and greatest drug, but that is about as far as it will go.

As far as ownership in a pharmacy.....there may be few left out there, but most doctors do not even own their practice anymore. Due to the fact of the governmental red tape along with insurance companies making you jump through hoops in order to get paid, it's not worth the headache of dealing with. This plays right into our governments hands of socialized medicine and controlling one more aspect of our lives.

There are a few bad apples out there, and someone always chasing the almighty dollar. The FDA has done a good job of cracking down on these "Pill-Mills" for pain meds, but it is a process to get it stopped. You're affecting someones lively hood and they want to make sure that they have their duck's in a row before you cut some one off at the knees.


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Re: Opioid crisis [Re: deadeye48] #2889209
08/27/19 06:24 AM
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Very simple solution to the so called opioid crisis. Legalize Marijuana.


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Re: Opioid crisis [Re: nomercy] #2889215
08/27/19 06:28 AM
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Originally Posted by nomercy
The Dr's get paid for writing scrips. Many of them also have ownership in a pharmacy that they refer you too for a (discount) . It's all about $$$$


Most insurance plans anymore tell you what pharmacy to use, or charge you more for one that's not on the "preferred" list

Re: Opioid crisis [Re: deadeye48] #2889222
08/27/19 06:34 AM
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Just like allergy and sinus meds, the abusers have made it hard for the people who realy need it. Why would you sue a dr for your addiction? Or a manufacturer for that matter.


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Re: Opioid crisis [Re: deadeye48] #2889223
08/27/19 06:35 AM
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You can blame a lot of this on JCAHO, joint commission on accreditation, they tell hospitals how to run their business and if you don’t do what they say then you lose Medicare and if you lose Medicare the rest of the insurances will drop you as well. About 20 or so years ago they decided that pain was the 5th vital sign and that we in medicine was not sufficiently addressing the pain needs of our pts so that guy in bed 7 eating a sandwich and soda with pain 10/10 had to be medicated with pain medicine. They decided that pain was whatever the patient said it was. Then they started penalizing hospitals if pain was addressed. We in medicine play a big role because we allowed this to happen but the origins come from this independent organization that makes its own rules and holds the power to shut down a hospital. What happens in the hospitals trickles out to private practice eventually.


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Re: Opioid crisis [Re: jaredhunts] #2889227
08/27/19 06:39 AM
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Originally Posted by jaredhunts
Just like allergy and sinus meds, the abusers have made it hard for the people who realy need it. Why would you sue a dr for your addiction? Or a manufacturer for that matter.

This. However, unlike allergy meds, the opioids were over prescribed. And the majority of patients were not initially warned about their addictive properties and how they become less effective with long term use. Still I think it's absurd to blame a doctor or a company for YOUR irresponsible behavior. As a patient it's your responsibility to research and learn about your illness and the treatment.


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Re: Opioid crisis [Re: deadeye48] #2889287
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My wife has a very bad back and has had pain for close to 40 years. She has had 3 surgeries, multiple injections and all kinds of prescription pain medicine. There is no simple relief it seems. One thing we have noticed is that doctors will ask "what is your pain level today", and that is impossible to answer. One pain management doctor ask her on a bad day what her pain level was and she said 10. He said that was impossible, if she was a10 pain level it should be like having your skin peeled off and a hot fire applied.

Re: Opioid crisis [Re: timbercruiser] #2889297
08/27/19 07:46 AM
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Originally Posted by timbercruiser
My wife has a very bad back and has had pain for close to 40 years. She has had 3 surgeries, multiple injections and all kinds of prescription pain medicine. There is no simple relief it seems. One thing we have noticed is that doctors will ask "what is your pain level today", and that is impossible to answer. One pain management doctor ask her on a bad day what her pain level was and she said 10. He said that was impossible, if she was a10 pain level it should be like having your skin peeled off and a hot fire applied.

I've always thought that pain scale was a joke. Some people have a higher tolerance than others. I've had two doctors look at my knee problems and ask how in the world I'm even walking. There are ways to actually measure pain. Asking someone is not an accurate measure.


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Re: Opioid crisis [Re: deadeye48] #2889303
08/27/19 07:49 AM
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If dumbasses start drinking bleach tomorrow and bleach goes up to $500 a gallon is it the capitalists that sell those dumbasses bleach for $500 fault or the idiots that are drinking it? Most of this is just BS and the majority of people dont abuse their meds then you have people that get hooked and go on to start shooting Oxycontin or Heroin and im willing to bet 95% of overdose victims dont have a prescription .

Re: Opioid crisis [Re: deadeye48] #2889309
08/27/19 07:56 AM
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Doctors are being prosecuted is by the feds for over prescribing opioids. There have been probably a dozen in the northern district of Alabama in the last couple of years.

Re: Opioid crisis [Re: doekiller] #2889318
08/27/19 08:01 AM
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Originally Posted by doekiller
Doctors are being prosecuted is by the feds for over prescribing opioids. There have been probably a dozen in the northern district of Alabama in the last couple of years.


Been several down this way also. Still amazes me that people put that much time, money in building a career only to flush it down the toilet.


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Re: Opioid crisis [Re: deadeye48] #2889320
08/27/19 08:02 AM
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Originally Posted by deadeye48
There was a huge ruling against J & J for half billion dollars.


Can’t help but think this law suit will result in companies refusing to make any opioid pain meds for fear of being sued.


My friend, you have found the answer to the problem. But this wont happen because there is way too much money in keeping our country addicted to prescription meds. You are exactly right though. Just imagine how much better off our country would be if the opium poppy suddenly went extinct. No more addiction to opiods, no more overdoses. The pharm companies would have to come up with a pain pill that actually helps. It would certainly be a better day.

Re: Opioid crisis [Re: nomercy] #2889325
08/27/19 08:10 AM
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Originally Posted by nomercy
The Dr's get paid for writing scrips. Many of them also have ownership in a pharmacy that they refer you too for a (discount) . It's all about $$$$


This is about the dumbest thing i've read on here.


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Re: Opioid crisis [Re: 87dixieboy] #2889341
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Originally Posted by 87dixieboy
Originally Posted by nomercy
The Dr's get paid for writing scrips. Many of them also have ownership in a pharmacy that they refer you too for a (discount) . It's all about $$$$


This is about the dumbest thing i've read on here.

Oh come on now. There's been way dumber things said around here. 😆


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Re: Opioid crisis [Re: jwalker77] #2889358
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Originally Posted by jwalker77
Originally Posted by deadeye48
There was a huge ruling against J & J for half billion dollars.


Can’t help but think this law suit will result in companies refusing to make any opioid pain meds for fear of being sued.


My friend, you have found the answer to the problem. But this wont happen because there is way too much money in keeping our country addicted to prescription meds. You are exactly right though. Just imagine how much better off our country would be if the opium poppy suddenly went extinct. No more addiction to opiods, no more overdoses. The pharm companies would have to come up with a pain pill that actually helps. It would certainly be a better day.


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