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Re: Jury duty question? [Re: AU338MAG] #2882978
08/19/19 10:24 PM
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Originally Posted by AU338MAG
Originally Posted by GKelly
Originally Posted by doekiller
$70 an hour might sound like a lot. But, that is only for the hours you bill on the case. The maximums allowed are ridiculously low. I think a class A felony (think murder) the max allowed to be paid is $4000. If you go to trial, you are seriously making a lot less than that. Also, you are not factoring in overhead. You know, rent, phone, secretary, office supplies, computers. Basically everything you have to have to keep an office open. It cost me more than $70 a hour to keep my office open.

Ive been around more than a few court appointed attorneys in my late teens early 20s I dont think I ever met one that even opens your file until about 15 minutes before you stand in front of a judge. In my experience they just want you to plead guilty so they can collect a check. I had one tell me to plead guilty to DUI when the state forensics lab report showed .06 said he "worked out a deal with the prosecutor" and would get me 6 month probation and a payment plan I told him where he could stick his plea deal. turns out in a small town the judge doesnt ike when you fire your attorney guess they play golf together, anyway he gave me 6 months I appealed and was out 3 hours later on bond. When it went to a higher court I told the judge the same thing I told the original judge "your honor Alabama state law defines DUI as a BAC of .08 or more I have the certified forensic analysis that shows my BAC was .06 I would like this case dismissed" he simply said "well thats what the law says case dismissed" and I went home. That attorney wasnt worth $70 a day much less an hour.

Please tell me what areas and roads you frequent so I can be sure to avoid you.

if you're worried about me driving around with a .06 BAC you need to go buy a helmet and some bubble wrap .06 only takes 2-3 beers

Re: Jury duty question? [Re: GKelly] #2882980
08/19/19 10:27 PM
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Don't drink and drive! Problem solved!


"America First! Nothing Else Matters"
Re: Jury duty question? [Re: GKelly] #2882984
08/19/19 10:38 PM
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Originally Posted by GKelly
Originally Posted by AU338MAG
Originally Posted by GKelly
Originally Posted by doekiller
$70 an hour might sound like a lot. But, that is only for the hours you bill on the case. The maximums allowed are ridiculously low. I think a class A felony (think murder) the max allowed to be paid is $4000. If you go to trial, you are seriously making a lot less than that. Also, you are not factoring in overhead. You know, rent, phone, secretary, office supplies, computers. Basically everything you have to have to keep an office open. It cost me more than $70 a hour to keep my office open.

Ive been around more than a few court appointed attorneys in my late teens early 20s I dont think I ever met one that even opens your file until about 15 minutes before you stand in front of a judge. In my experience they just want you to plead guilty so they can collect a check. I had one tell me to plead guilty to DUI when the state forensics lab report showed .06 said he "worked out a deal with the prosecutor" and would get me 6 month probation and a payment plan I told him where he could stick his plea deal. turns out in a small town the judge doesnt ike when you fire your attorney guess they play golf together, anyway he gave me 6 months I appealed and was out 3 hours later on bond. When it went to a higher court I told the judge the same thing I told the original judge "your honor Alabama state law defines DUI as a BAC of .08 or more I have the certified forensic analysis that shows my BAC was .06 I would like this case dismissed" he simply said "well thats what the law says case dismissed" and I went home. That attorney wasnt worth $70 a day much less an hour.

Please tell me what areas and roads you frequent so I can be sure to avoid you.

if you're worried about me driving around with a .06 BAC you need to go buy a helmet and some bubble wrap .06 only takes 2-3 beers



I agree gkelly. They outta pay us exactly what we miss. The court employess are gettin paid. Why arent we?

Re: Jury duty question? [Re: WDE] #2882993
08/19/19 11:03 PM
08/19/19 11:03 PM
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As stated above, you can be convicted of DUI without being breathalyzed. Happens all of the time. Even if you blow under the limit you can be charged under the other subsections if there is evidence you were intoxicated by any substance that rendered you incapable of safely operating a vehicle.

You probably got a DUI in city court. Lots of small towns w/ municipal courts might have court once or twice a month, so it's def possible your lawyer might not have spent much time on the case.

But then again I don't know which subsection you were charged under and I know none of the facts...might have been a good deal. And yes, depending on your demeanor and approach to the judge, he probably did get pissed off when you told him you wanted to fire your court appointed attorney. I think it's hard to do that when you aren't paying for something.

But fortunately we have "some" oversight in our judicial system so I am glad you were able to appeal and get a favorable ruling.

Re: Jury duty question? [Re: GKelly] #2883029
08/20/19 06:17 AM
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Originally Posted by GKelly

Ive been around more than a few court appointed attorneys in my late teens early 20s I dont think I ever met one that even opens your file until about 15 minutes before you stand in front of a judge. In my experience they just want you to plead guilty so they can collect a check. I had one tell me to plead guilty to DUI when the state forensics lab report showed .06 said he "worked out a deal with the prosecutor" and would get me 6 month probation and a payment plan I told him where he could stick his plea deal. turns out in a small town the judge doesnt ike when you fire your attorney guess they play golf together, anyway he gave me 6 months I appealed and was out 3 hours later on bond. When it went to a higher court I told the judge the same thing I told the original judge "your honor Alabama state law defines DUI as a BAC of .08 or more I have the certified forensic analysis that shows my BAC was .06 I would like this case dismissed" he simply said "well thats what the law says case dismissed" and I went home. That attorney wasnt worth $70 a day much less an hour.


Well it’s like this, when you go to the free clinic you don’t need to complain about the doctor that sees you. If you needed open-heart surgery are you going to the cheapest doctor that you can find? I’m sure you can get it done pretty cheap in Mexico, AND there’s a good chance you’ll die on the operating table or from infection after the procedure, but you’ll get it done cheap. When faced with a legal issue, looking at possibly serving time in jail or prison, why wouldn’t you hire the attorney you want?

Most folks can’t afford to go to jail for several months, much less prison for a few years, they’ll lose everything they have (car, home, custody or their children, etc.). If you’re gonna gamble on your future and roll the dice with a court-appointed attorney then you deserve exactly what you get. Not all attorneys are created equal although, “no representation is made that the legal services performed by me are greater than those performed by other lawyers”. In the circuits where I work everyone gets appointed cases, we all share the “wealth”.

Re: Jury duty question? [Re: Scout308] #2883107
08/20/19 08:16 AM
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Originally Posted by Scout308
Don't drink and drive! Problem solved!


Isaiah 5:20 Woe to those who call evil good and good evil, who put darkness for light and light for darkness, who put bitter for sweet and sweet for bitter.
Re: Jury duty question? [Re: jmudler] #2883495
08/20/19 04:49 PM
08/20/19 04:49 PM
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Clanton, AL
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Originally Posted by jmudler
Originally Posted by Scout308
Don't drink and drive! Problem solved!


Sometimes I have to drive. So there's just no choice.


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