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Can some one knowledgeable tell me if someone files a theft report; is that information available to the public? Have a contractor claiming his trailer and materials for my project was stolen and trying to determine if it's a BS excuse. City of Fultondale is locale.
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Have him bring you a copy of the police report. Reports are not public record, and you would have to be listed on the report to attain a copy for yourself.

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That was my next step; thanks

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Originally Posted by wew3006
Can some one knowledgeable tell me if someone files a theft report; is that information available to the public? Have a contractor claiming his trailer and materials for my project was stolen and trying to determine if it's a BS excuse. City of Fultondale is locale.
thanks


That's on him, not you. If his truck got stolen, would that be your fault too?

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Originally Posted by Remington270
Originally Posted by wew3006
Can some one knowledgeable tell me if someone files a theft report; is that information available to the public? Have a contractor claiming his trailer and materials for my project was stolen and trying to determine if it's a BS excuse. City of Fultondale is locale.
thanks


That's on him, not you. If his truck got stolen, would that be your fault too?


I understand that and what I told him; just trying to determine if BS.

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Originally Posted by wew3006
Can some one knowledgeable tell me if someone files a theft report; is that information available to the public? Have a contractor claiming his trailer and materials for my project was stolen and trying to determine if it's a BS excuse. City of Fultondale is locale.
thanks



Certain parts of police Reports are Public Record. To be as simple about it as I can, the front page is public record, the back is not. Since this was my area of concern when I was over Administration of a PD, that is the best rule of thumb to follow, but there can occasionally be exceptions, but they are not too often.

Edited to be clear that this is in Alabama. I don't know about other states. About 15 years or so Alabama's Uniform Incident/Offense Report Form was revised for this very reason. Anyone can see the front, but access to the back is limited.

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Re: Police report access [Re: wew3006] #2882363
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Thanks JB; the lady that answered phone said not public record. Do I have to go there or can they tell me on phone if one was filed; that's the only information I am looking for.
If the guy had a real problem; I will cut him a bit of slack, time wise, to get re-organized. If he is lying; I am done with him.

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Originally Posted by wew3006
Thanks JB; the lady that answered phone said not public record. Do I have to go there or can they tell me on phone if one was filed; that's the only information I am looking for.
If the guy had a real problem; I will cut him a bit of slack, time wise, to get re-organized. If he is lying; I am done with him.


They should tell you over the phone, but there is no guarantee because if someone told you it was not public record since she doesn't know what she is talking about.


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This is pretty funny; I called again and she said not public. When I told her that the front page was public record; she said only too the press/media outlets. So; I asked why they are different from any other private citizen?? She then looked; though I don't think very hard. She said she did not see anything; but I can't be sure under what name a report may have been filed. But; Fultondale is not a big jurisdiction. Seems like law enforcement should know the law?
Thanks JB

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You are correct. Public Record means just what it says. There are no stipulations in it for the press or anyone else. I'd call the officer that is over Administration and explain why you need to know and get them to help you and then suggest they teach the employees that deal with records about Open Record laws. There is actually a guy that gave himself a title of a one man group, that sends ridiculous requests for reports to PD all over the country and when they don't comply he sues them. He has apparently made a living doing this. The request we got from him was for about 6 mos of Accident Reports. We counted them up and I sent him a letter back that stated that copies were $5 each so when he sends a a check for the amount due (it was over $1000), we would send him copies with the driver's personal info redacted. He said we can't do that and he would sue us. I said go ahead and never heard another word about it.


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Originally Posted by wew3006
This is pretty funny; I called again and she said not public. When I told her that the front page was public record; she said only too the press/media outlets.


This is absolute bullshittt. She is stupid, lying or they don't want people to get them.

PUBLIC RECORDS ARE PUBLIC RECORDS and there is not anything they can do about it to prevent you from getting them. There is no "why do you need this?" qualification, no media/press qualification, nada, unless it's their "policy" and if that's the case you need to sue the shittt out of that department and city.

Cities try this all the time. "Why do you need it? Those are only for the press." and other stupid barriers. They don't want you to have it, plain and simple. State agencies often are the same way. I once had to threaten a lawsuit to get salary information for an agency, which didn't want to give it simply because "you don't need it."

Public records are for the public. Fight their asses about this.


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Originally Posted by Clem

Public records are for the public. Fight their asses about this.


Agree

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Originally Posted by jawbone
You are correct. Public Record means just what it says. There are no stipulations in it for the press or anyone else. I'd call the officer that is over Administration and explain why you need to know and get them to help you and then suggest they teach the employees that deal with records about Open Record laws. There is actually a guy that gave himself a title of a one man group, that sends ridiculous requests for reports to PD all over the country and when they don't comply he sues them. He has apparently made a living doing this. The request we got from him was for about 6 mos of Accident Reports. We counted them up and I sent him a letter back that stated that copies were $5 each so when he sends a a check for the amount due (it was over $1000), we would send him copies with the driver's personal info redacted. He said we can't do that and he would sue us. I said go ahead and never heard another word about it.


Charging a nominal fee is fine. Many agencies and departments do this. Nothing wrong with that. Some places may be $1, some may be $2.50 or even $5, which is high but still in that "I gotta have it, here's five bucks" range.

Some have taken it to obscene levels, though, such as $25 or more per copy. That's incredibly outrageous, of course, in today's electronic era when things can be easily called up and printed. The high prices are nothing but blatant attempts to deter, usually from Tiny Town Asshole Agency-Mayor-Chief-Boss-Secretary, to try to get what they believe is the "nosy public" from "snooping" in public business.

I know of a small city that reportedly pays its administrative assistants (secretaries) in the high five figures. To get the salary records -- which are public record -- would indeed require a lawsuit because the city wouldn't hand them over. But they're public records for anyone to see.

Transparency shouldn't be this difficult, yet it always is.


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She grudgingly relented when I asked what the difference was between press and any other private citizen.

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"They don't want you to have it, plain and simple."

I don't think a minimum wage clerk cares if he has the info or not, I think she just doesn't want to get off her ass and do her job.


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Good to hear, wew3006.

You're correct, Jawbone.


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Originally Posted by jawbone
"They don't want you to have it, plain and simple."

I don't think a minimum wage clerk cares if he has the info or not, I think she just doesn't want to get off her ass and do her job.


that was exactly the impression I got

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i know in montgomery they don't release any of that information unless you are the victim, suspect, or complainant yada yada. There's too much liability tied into releasing that information I suspect.

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There is no liability. The front page, as Jawbone said, is public record. The back page with more specific details is what is protected and not handed out.

If Montgomery does not give out reports, they are violating the law about open records. They probably are, don't care, and are like many other cities that cause the requesting party to force the issue (as wew3006 did by knowing the right thing to ask).

Citizens should not be prohibited from obtaining public records. It doesn't matter why they want them. They are public records.


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Originally Posted by wew3006
But; Fultondale is not a big jurisdiction. Seems like law enforcement should know the law?
Thanks JB

Dont get me started on fultondale. They let someone drive off from the scene of a accident he was involved in who had a suspended license, no insurance on the vehicle, and a warrant from a neighboring jurisdiction for driving while suspended.. I was told, nothing to see here. Its at the officers discretion.


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Originally Posted by jawbone
"They don't want you to have it, plain and simple."

I don't think a minimum wage clerk cares if he has the info or not, I think she just doesn't want to get off her ass and do her job.

Bingo!


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Originally Posted by Forrestgump1
Have him bring you a copy of the police report. Reports are not public record, and you would have to be listed on the report to attain a copy for yourself.


Sorry this is not true. Some report have to have portions redacted but most are open records. You can request, pay a small fee and received most if not all given report.

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Originally Posted by Forrestgump1
i know in montgomery they don't release any of that information unless you are the victim, suspect, or complainant yada yada. There's too much liability tied into releasing that information I suspect.


Like to know who, when, someone told you that information.

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Originally Posted by Forrestgump1
i know in montgomery they don't release any of that information unless you are the victim, suspect, or complainant yada yada. There's too much liability tied into releasing that information I suspect.


That was the reason for the last revision of the state form. All of the general info and nondescript details were kept or placed on the front page. All of the personal info and details of the crime, including the narrative were moved to the second page and the front page is the only side that is released to the public.

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If you are already doubting his word or have any doubts about him it’s probably best you find another contractor. If I told that to one of my customers and they ask to see the police report I wouldn’t want to work for them anyway. I hope it works out for you

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