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Re: Public land woes and new pot call question [Re: JBL] #2876770
08/12/19 02:44 PM
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Ethics tends to be a foregone thing for most. They will park right next to you, walk the same way they saw your light go in the dark, even had some this year have the nerve to ride up on a bike and tell us they were continuing on down the trail (turkeys were roosted down said trail 200 yards). This was a mile in and we been sitting there in the dark for an hour and staged ourselves on the trail just to stop the morons from messing up our hunt.

Happening up on someone by accident is one thing. Going the same direction where you know there is a limited amount of property and there are folks already there is just complete disregard for the other hunter. (Example.... parking lot is at the trail head on a lake peninsula, and there’s already 2 trucks there when you get there)

The biggest thing about encounters on the public is that you really have no right to tell the other hunter that they can’t go on and do what they want. They have every right to be there, same as you. However, a good shaming for their inconsiderate actions, can sometimes help them see that they have crossed the line and sometimes they will back off. What always gets me is that they walk a mile down there and when you confront them they act all innocent with the “I had no idea anyone was here” spill. Really ? The big red truck didn’t clue you in? How bout the big white truck parked next to the big red
one?

My advice to you is to get there early. I mean 3 am early. It’s like anything else in life. Want it more than them. Hunt on days with less than ideal weather. Bluebird days with cool weather gets everyone out. Hunt the days that others won’t. Most of the time, the weather will allow some time
For decent interaction at different times of the day. Stick with it, don’t quit at 9 am and if you know there are birds, but don’t hear anything, stay in there. You may be surprised that one might fire up at 10 am or later once his hens leave him. First and foremost, scout. Not just before the season, birds move during the season and they change as spring progresses. The more you scout, the more you learn the woods. Knowing the woods is important to be consistently successful.

Don’t just give up when messed up. Be patient. A lot of times the turkeys may go back to doing what they do on an hour or so after being spooked. That don’t mean they will run to your call, but they may settle down just enough to give away their location a time or 2.

Re: Public land woes and new pot call question [Re: Jstocks] #2876840
08/12/19 04:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Jstocks


My advice to you is to get there early. I mean 3 am early.


Not worth it.... laugh

Re: Public land woes and new pot call question [Re: Jstocks] #2876866
08/12/19 04:32 PM
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Clanton, AL
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Originally Posted by Jstocks
Ethics tends to be a foregone thing for most. They will park right next to you, walk the same way they saw your light go in the dark, even had some this year have the nerve to ride up on a bike and tell us they were continuing on down the trail (turkeys were roosted down said trail 200 yards). This was a mile in and we been sitting there in the dark for an hour and staged ourselves on the trail just to stop the morons from messing up our hunt.

Happening up on someone by accident is one thing. Going the same direction where you know there is a limited amount of property and there are folks already there is just complete disregard for the other hunter. (Example.... parking lot is at the trail head on a lake peninsula, and there’s already 2 trucks there when you get there)

The biggest thing about encounters on the public is that you really have no right to tell the other hunter that they can’t go on and do what they want. They have every right to be there, same as you. However, a good shaming for their inconsiderate actions, can sometimes help them see that they have crossed the line and sometimes they will back off. What always gets me is that they walk a mile down there and when you confront them they act all innocent with the “I had no idea anyone was here” spill. Really ? The big red truck didn’t clue you in? How bout the big white truck parked next to the big red
one?

My advice to you is to get there early. I mean 3 am early. It’s like anything else in life. Want it more than them. Hunt on days with less than ideal weather. Bluebird days with cool weather gets everyone out. Hunt the days that others won’t. Most of the time, the weather will allow some time
For decent interaction at different times of the day. Stick with it, don’t quit at 9 am and if you know there are birds, but don’t hear anything, stay in there. You may be surprised that one might fire up at 10 am or later once his hens leave him. First and foremost, scout. Not just before the season, birds move during the season and they change as spring progresses. The more you scout, the more you learn the woods. Knowing the woods is important to be consistently successful.

Don’t just give up when messed up. Be patient. A lot of times the turkeys may go back to doing what they do on an hour or so after being spooked. That don’t mean they will run to your call, but they may settle down just enough to give away their location a time or 2.

Too much to read. Somebody summarize.

Re: Public land woes and new pot call question [Re: Out back] #2876885
08/12/19 04:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Out back
Originally Posted by Jstocks
Ethics tends to be a foregone thing for most. They will park right next to you, walk the same way they saw your light go in the dark, even had some this year have the nerve to ride up on a bike and tell us they were continuing on down the trail (turkeys were roosted down said trail 200 yards). This was a mile in and we been sitting there in the dark for an hour and staged ourselves on the trail just to stop the morons from messing up our hunt.

Happening up on someone by accident is one thing. Going the same direction where you know there is a limited amount of property and there are folks already there is just complete disregard for the other hunter. (Example.... parking lot is at the trail head on a lake peninsula, and there’s already 2 trucks there when you get there)

The biggest thing about encounters on the public is that you really have no right to tell the other hunter that they can’t go on and do what they want. They have every right to be there, same as you. However, a good shaming for their inconsiderate actions, can sometimes help them see that they have crossed the line and sometimes they will back off. What always gets me is that they walk a mile down there and when you confront them they act all innocent with the “I had no idea anyone was here” spill. Really ? The big red truck didn’t clue you in? How bout the big white truck parked next to the big red
one?

My advice to you is to get there early. I mean 3 am early. It’s like anything else in life. Want it more than them. Hunt on days with less than ideal weather. Bluebird days with cool weather gets everyone out. Hunt the days that others won’t. Most of the time, the weather will allow some time
For decent interaction at different times of the day. Stick with it, don’t quit at 9 am and if you know there are birds, but don’t hear anything, stay in there. You may be surprised that one might fire up at 10 am or later once his hens leave him. First and foremost, scout. Not just before the season, birds move during the season and they change as spring progresses. The more you scout, the more you learn the woods. Knowing the woods is important to be consistently successful.

Don’t just give up when messed up. Be patient. A lot of times the turkeys may go back to doing what they do on an hour or so after being spooked. That don’t mean they will run to your call, but they may settle down just enough to give away their location a time or 2.

Too much to read. Somebody summarize.


Lots of people on public land
People don’t care about other people
You get out what you put in
Woodsmanship matters more than calling ever will, especially on public land

Re: Public land woes and new pot call question [Re: JBL] #2876899
08/12/19 05:08 PM
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Clanton, AL
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👍 great advice and totally spot on.
Why didn't you just say THAT?!?

Re: Public land woes and new pot call question [Re: GomerPyle] #2877089
08/12/19 07:48 PM
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Originally Posted by GomerPyle

If you think you've walked far enough away from the road/parking area to avoid other hunters, walk that much further.

when you do kill one, stop and spend 10-15 minutes and pick up EVERY. SINGLE. BIT. OF. EVIDENCE. Pick up the spent shell, pick up the wad if you can find it. Pick up EVERY FEATHER. If there's bare dirt with blood, kick some dust over it to cover the blood. Leave as little evidence as humanly possible..


Secrecy is before you kill him. Unless there is another one in there.

Re: Public land woes and new pot call question [Re: JBL] #2877233
08/13/19 06:06 AM
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If I had to do all the stuff y’all say you do to hunt public land I think I’d just take a couple weeks off and then quit.

Re: Public land woes and new pot call question [Re: BrentM] #2877242
08/13/19 06:27 AM
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Originally Posted by BrentM
If I had to do all the stuff y’all say you do to hunt public land I think I’d just take a couple weeks off and then quit.


For real.


Do you want to hear him gobble, or do you want to kill him.
Re: Public land woes and new pot call question [Re: BrentM] #2877290
08/13/19 07:38 AM
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Originally Posted by BrentM
If I had to do all the stuff y’all say you do to hunt public land I think I’d just take a couple weeks off and then quit.


Hell I wish I could quit...my springs would be a lot more relaxing and peaceful. I wouldn't have recurring dreams about turkeys year-round. I could do a little more fishing.

But that's like telling a Meth addict "If I had to do all the stuff y'all say you do to score a hit of meth, I think I'd just quit". Good luck with that shucks.

Last edited by GomerPyle; 08/13/19 07:40 AM.

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Re: Public land woes and new pot call question [Re: JBL] #2877300
08/13/19 07:48 AM
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I always thought that hiding the truck or parking it in a different place than you are hunting would backfire more often than it would work. If I am headed to a spot and there is already a truck there, then I will go somewhere else. If you are hunting a spot and the truck is somewhere else, I might come in on you with no idea that you are around.

I always thought there were more hunters like me than the slob hunters who will purposely come in on top of you. But I admit I have no experience at Skyline. smile


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Re: Public land woes and new pot call question [Re: JBL] #2877305
08/13/19 07:53 AM
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These same stories play out on private land / hunting clubs every year. Plenty of clubs with more pressure than most public land. When you got 5-8 hunters on 1000 acre lease on Saturday morning, it’s worse than public land.

I’d love to have a big tract of public land to hunt. I’ve ended up in an area of the state without any big public area for turkey, within a reasonable driving distance.

Re: Public land woes and new pot call question [Re: turkey247] #2877360
08/13/19 09:03 AM
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Jackson Co.
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Originally Posted by turkey247
I’d love to have a big tract of public land to hunt. I’ve ended up in an area of the state without any big public area for turkey, within a reasonable driving distance.


This is probably why everyone drives up to skyline. I've literally met people from all over the state while Turkey hunting. Deer hunting has alot of folks too, but they seem to be mostly from within a 50mi radius. Turkey is another story though. They come from all over. No distance is too far.

Re: Public land woes and new pot call question [Re: JBL] #2877507
08/13/19 12:55 PM
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I got a PhD on turkeys on Hollins Mgt Area in the 70s. Plenty of birds, enough hunters but not too many like now. Those birds were EDUCAATED!!!! Finished out my degree on Wilcox Co birds, second toughest birds in the state behind ANY Mgt Area birds.

Public land birds? Call softly and little. Get close and TRY to get it done fast if at all possible. Or just wait em out and get it done after the idjets have gone home/to work. Keep yer mouth shut about where the birds are, or were. Try a different call than the usual idjet. I've used an old snuff can with good results on public land...even those birds haven't heard a real snuff can.


I've spent most of the money I've made in my lifetime on hunting and fishing. The rest I just wasted.....

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Re: Public land woes and new pot call question [Re: JBL] #2877513
08/13/19 01:01 PM
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Originally Posted by JBL
Does anyone have recommendations for a high quality pot call with a slate surface?


don't see that anybody answered this Q of yours ... LOTS of choices ... if i had to buy one today - i'd check out Houndstooth's pot call - https://houndstooth-game-calls-2.my...-calls/products/houndstooth-walnut-slate

i ran one a couple years back at a show at Woods & Waters in Tuscaloosa & liked it quite a bit


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Re: Public land woes and new pot call question [Re: JBL] #2878447
08/14/19 02:21 PM
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All good info. Thanks yall

Re: Public land woes and new pot call question [Re: JBL] #2878480
08/14/19 03:14 PM
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Takes some patience for sure to hunt Skyline.


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Re: Public land woes and new pot call question [Re: JBL] #2878624
08/14/19 06:10 PM
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Re: Public land woes and new pot call question [Re: JBL] #2878635
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Remember there are two rules in turkey hunting public land...

Number 1...You can't give out any information!

Number 2....refer to Rule number 1!

Re: Public land woes and new pot call question [Re: JayHook2] #2878833
08/14/19 08:21 PM
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Originally Posted by JayHook2
Remember there are two rules in turkey hunting public land...

Number 1...You can't give out any information!

Number 2....refer to Rule number 1!

I dont find and tell, but I'm under the influence that there are no secrets on skyline anymore. No matter how desolate of a place you think you found by hiking for forever, someone else knows about it and they hunt it. There might be some secrets in bankhead, but skyline has humbled me as far as that goes.

Re: Public land woes and new pot call question [Re: turkey247] #2879155
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Originally Posted by turkey247
These same stories play out on private land / hunting clubs every year. Plenty of clubs with more pressure than most public land. When you got 5-8 hunters on 1000 acre lease on Saturday morning, it’s worse than public land.
x2. I made this mistake this past year. Never again.

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