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AR Pistol Braces. #2877442
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I'm hearing rumblings the ATF under Trumps direction is about to reclassify braced pistols as SBRs...

I've heard it from 2 different sources, but it still just scuttlebutt and this point.

Any one else heard anything about this


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Re: AR Pistol Braces. [Re: gundoc] #2877447
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Originally Posted by gundoc
I'm hearing rumblings the ATF under Trumps direction is about to reclassify braced pistols as SBRs...

I've heard it from 2 different sources, but it still just scuttlebutt and this point.

Any one else heard anything about this

I saw that coming the day they made the opinion to allow them thats why I SBR'd mine anyway.

Re: AR Pistol Braces. [Re: gundoc] #2877448
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I have not, but it seems like low hanging fruit and it would not surprise me one bit.

Re: AR Pistol Braces. [Re: gundoc] #2877456
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so if they reclassify them what do you do while waiting on a tax stamp? youve already assembled an SBR without a tax stamp do you just break it back down into parts while you wait or just put a regular old non braced pistol buffer tube on it?

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Re: AR Pistol Braces. [Re: GKelly] #2877471
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Originally Posted by GKelly
so if they reclassify them what do you do while waiting on a tax stamp? youve already assembled an SBR without a tax stamp do you just break it back down into parts while you wait or just put a regular old non braced pistol buffer tube on it?



Good question. I guess folks who own them will just have to wait and see what happens.

This is precisely why I didn't/don't like the platform.

Too easy to change the legality of them based on someone's interpretation


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Re: AR Pistol Braces. [Re: gundoc] #2877495
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I've heard it. The two people I've heard it from are as reliable and connected as someone outside of the BATF can be. It's pretty much a done deal


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Re: AR Pistol Braces. [Re: GKelly] #2877555
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Originally Posted by GKelly
so if they reclassify them what do you do while waiting on a tax stamp?

You go ahead and throw a suppressor on it...If you're gonna be a felon, might as well be a quiet one.


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Re: AR Pistol Braces. [Re: gundoc] #2877570
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looks like shucks like this would grand daddy in if you already have them. This sucks cause I was going to order a CMMG Banshee 300 in 9mm around X-mas. Now I may have to go the NFA route and cost me $200 and more time.

Re: AR Pistol Braces. [Re: KHOOKS] #2877621
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Originally Posted by KHOOKS
looks like shucks like this would grand daddy in if you already have them. This sucks cause I was going to order a CMMG Banshee 300 in 9mm around X-mas. Now I may have to go the NFA route and cost me $200 and more time.

nope theyll use the same logic they did with bumpstocks.I been telling people this would happen for years to just go ahead and SBR it and be done with it. ATF opinion letters mean nothing they can change them whenever they feel like it.

Re: AR Pistol Braces. [Re: gundoc] #2877626
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Hypothetical....if you wanted a SBR that was suppressed, would you have to pay for 2 stamps (1 for the SBR and 1 for the Suppressor)? Or is it just one for the weapon as a whole?


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Re: AR Pistol Braces. [Re: gundoc] #2877631
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I would like to think it could be done as one item. But if it is not a integral suppressed i bet you would have to get one for each.

Re: AR Pistol Braces. [Re: GomerPyle] #2877674
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Originally Posted by GomerPyle

Hypothetical....if you wanted a SBR that was suppressed, would you have to pay for 2 stamps (1 for the SBR and 1 for the Suppressor)? Or is it just one for the weapon as a whole?


If you permanently attach the suppressor, and it's 16" or longer, one stamp

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Re: AR Pistol Braces. [Re: GKelly] #2877713
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Originally Posted by GKelly
Originally Posted by KHOOKS
looks like shucks like this would grand daddy in if you already have them. This sucks cause I was going to order a CMMG Banshee 300 in 9mm around X-mas. Now I may have to go the NFA route and cost me $200 and more time.

nope theyll use the same logic they did with bumpstocks.I been telling people this would happen for years to just go ahead and SBR it and be done with it. ATF opinion letters mean nothing they can change them whenever they feel like it.


Well from my understanding they are coming under fire because the Dayton shooter used a Ar Pistol in the shooting



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Originally Posted by James
Originally Posted by GKelly
Originally Posted by KHOOKS
looks like shucks like this would grand daddy in if you already have them. This sucks cause I was going to order a CMMG Banshee 300 in 9mm around X-mas. Now I may have to go the NFA route and cost me $200 and more time.

nope theyll use the same logic they did with bumpstocks.I been telling people this would happen for years to just go ahead and SBR it and be done with it. ATF opinion letters mean nothing they can change them whenever they feel like it.


Well from my understanding they are coming under fire because the Dayton shooter used a Ar Pistol in the shooting


And then all the people that had nothing to do with it get punished. Oughta be some kind of spray for liberals.


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Re: AR Pistol Braces. [Re: CKyleC] #2877796
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Originally Posted by CKyleC
Originally Posted by GomerPyle

Hypothetical....if you wanted a SBR that was suppressed, would you have to pay for 2 stamps (1 for the SBR and 1 for the Suppressor)? Or is it just one for the weapon as a whole?


If you permanently attach the suppressor, and it's 16" or longer, one stamp


It’s not an SBR if it’s over 16” though.

The answer is yes, two stamps, if the barrel is less than 16” (with permanently pinned or soldered suppressor, or without it being permanent).

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A FFL 07/02 SOT can manufacture a <16" integrally suppressed rifle and it only be one stamp. There's not many of these in the wild, or many people building them, but it is possible


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Originally Posted by Wiley Coyote
Originally Posted by James
Originally Posted by GKelly
Originally Posted by KHOOKS
looks like shucks like this would grand daddy in if you already have them. This sucks cause I was going to order a CMMG Banshee 300 in 9mm around X-mas. Now I may have to go the NFA route and cost me $200 and more time.

nope theyll use the same logic they did with bumpstocks.I been telling people this would happen for years to just go ahead and SBR it and be done with it. ATF opinion letters mean nothing they can change them whenever they feel like it.


Well from my understanding they are coming under fire because the Dayton shooter used a Ar Pistol in the shooting


And then all the people that had nothing to do with it get punished. Oughta be some kind of spray for liberals.


Roundup, but it would take awhile and they might get a monetary settlement.


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Re: AR Pistol Braces. [Re: Wiley Coyote] #2877864
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Originally Posted by Wiley Coyote
Originally Posted by James
Originally Posted by GKelly
Originally Posted by KHOOKS
looks like shucks like this would grand daddy in if you already have them. This sucks cause I was going to order a CMMG Banshee 300 in 9mm around X-mas. Now I may have to go the NFA route and cost me $200 and more time.

nope theyll use the same logic they did with bumpstocks.I been telling people this would happen for years to just go ahead and SBR it and be done with it. ATF opinion letters mean nothing they can change them whenever they feel like it.


Well from my understanding they are coming under fire because the Dayton shooter used a Ar Pistol in the shooting


And then all the people that had nothing to do with it get punished. Oughta be some kind of spray for liberals.


But of course. And i don't think it'll end here either



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Re: AR Pistol Braces. [Re: CKyleC] #2877904
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Originally Posted by CKyleC
A FFL 07/02 SOT can manufacture a <16" integrally suppressed rifle and it only be one stamp. There's not many of these in the wild, or many people building them, but it is possible


I am a manufacturer, with a class 2 SOT. I stand by my answer: Two stamps.

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Originally Posted by Cynical
Originally Posted by CKyleC
A FFL 07/02 SOT can manufacture a <16" integrally suppressed rifle and it only be one stamp. There's not many of these in the wild, or many people building them, but it is possible


I am a manufacturer, with a class 2 SOT. I stand by my answer: Two stamps.




Y'all originally said the same thing, just differently


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