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Re: Baiting Bill in Legislature [Re: Skinny] #285983
02/16/12 12:35 PM
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the poor man will be dumping more corn on the ground to compete, more arguing and fussing about who owns the deer.



They'll probably be a new reality show in the fall called FEEDER WARS. probably be a pretty good show.


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Re: Baiting Bill in Legislature [Re: jacannon] #285984
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Originally Posted By: jacannon
You could have the feeder on the edge of a plot and have it covered with natural vegatation.


or a sheet of plywood, or some politician signs which I pick up every year for shooting houses.


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Re: Baiting Bill in Legislature [Re: truedouble] #285985
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Originally Posted By: truedouble
1. yes, fines for illegal baiting should be raised, a lot. If you can afford to hunt you can afford to pay a $250-$500 fine if caught baiting. It's a small gamble for the unethical. Making the fine $5000 would make most baiters reconsider.


Do you really believe the baiting issue is about ethics?

What's the ethical difference in killing game animals with the aid of bait using a depredation permit or using a baiting permit described in this bill?

Then there's the issue about allowing hunting over some food sources designed to attract game while calling the use of others unethical.

If you had a government permit to steal or lie, would that make it ethical?

Re: Baiting Bill in Legislature [Re: Skinny] #285989
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Hogwild, so if you had to guess, what percentage of clubs that could comply would be able to afford feeding year around? I'd like to say it would be few but my guess is if it's passed many will start jumping up and down like a bunch of school girls and go by every feeder they can find cause if they don't they want ever see a deer again....I also bet VISA, MC, Amex and others will see a spike in credit card activity if passed...

Re: Baiting Bill in Legislature [Re: Hogwild] #285990
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Originally Posted By: Hogwild
It is LEGAL to buy a Lamborghini right now.

But, if you can't afford it....

Nevermind, makes WAAYYYY too much sense to fit into all these arguments!


What ADVANTAGE would one driving a Lamborghini back and forth to work, schoool, church, etc have over someone not driving a Lamborghini back and forth?

Your arguement doesn't address the concern from some that it gives those with means a decided advantage over those without the means to take on the added expense.


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Re: Baiting Bill in Legislature [Re: 49er] #285993
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Originally Posted By: 49er


Do you really believe the baiting issue is about ethics?

If you had a government permit to steal or lie, would that make it ethical?


Oh boy 49er, you just opened a can of worms. Mind you that the same people who want to pass this bill are the same people who are also figuring out how to spend our tax dollars on freeloaders who will vote for them.


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Re: Baiting Bill in Legislature [Re: 49er] #285995
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Originally Posted By: 49er
Originally Posted By: truedouble
1. yes, fines for illegal baiting should be raised, a lot. If you can afford to hunt you can afford to pay a $250-$500 fine if caught baiting. It's a small gamble for the unethical. Making the fine $5000 would make most baiters reconsider.


Do you really believe the baiting issue is about ethics?

What's the ethical difference in killing game animals with the aid of bait using a depredation permit or using a baiting permit described in this bill?

Then there's the issue about allowing hunting over some food sources designed to attract game while calling the use of others unethical.

If you had a government permit to steal or lie, would that make it ethical?



I sure do, among other things. Is that crazy or what!?! shocked

Why? Do you believe hunting over bait in Alabama is ethical? Bait, by the state's definition not 49er's.

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Re: Baiting Bill in Legislature [Re: Skinny] #286001
02/16/12 12:49 PM
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ethics and law are two different things.

When the law changes do your ethics change also??????????


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Higher than my expectations
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Re: Baiting Bill in Legislature [Re: coldtrail] #286008
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Originally Posted By: coldtrail
ethics and law are two different things.

When the law changes do your ethics change also??????????


well actually in some cases laws and ethics match up pretty well. Although I realize that what's ethical to one man might not be ethical to another.

no, and a good example of that is this proposed law...

Re: Baiting Bill in Legislature [Re: Skinny] #286011
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just getting ya'll back on topic, 49er can divert even when he doesnt mean too.

This law/program will only allow those with deep enough pockets to participate, thus making everyone else 2nd class deer hunters because they cant afford to bait like the big boys.


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Re: Baiting Bill in Legislature [Re: Skinny] #286012
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My point HOGWILD was better natural nutrition for deer , tha states point was to allow baiting to give people a better chance
to kill a deer , if you fertilize browse or honeysuckle acorn trees that is alot better than pouring out feed and when you ferilize it will last alot longer and be alot better than going back and forth filling up Feeders.

Re: Baiting Bill in Legislature [Re: Skinny] #286019
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Originally Posted By: Skinny


This law/program will only allow those with deep enough pockets to participate, thus making everyone else 2nd class deer hunters because they cant afford to bait like the big boys.


But just think!!! Baiting will be a boon to the entire state's economy. Anytime more money is spent the better it will be for all of us. (Sarcasm dripping)

Re: Baiting Bill in Legislature [Re: coldtrail] #286060
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Originally Posted By: coldtrail
ethics and law are two different things.

When the law changes do your ethics change also??????????

^^^ winner



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Re: Baiting Bill in Legislature [Re: Skinny] #286075
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So if you have a 40 acre tract of land (Perfect square for instance) you would only be able to put the feeder on the center 4 acres (300 yards from property line, assuming you also have a 1 acre green field within 200 yards. No thanks.

Re: Baiting Bill in Legislature [Re: Skinny] #286127
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Once again, why only in a spinning/drop feeder? This reeks of someone (Moultrie) making some serious dough. Same with the food plot thing. How many will now plant food plots so they will be able to legally bait??

If your gonna make it legal, just make it legal. Screw these SILLY rules.

Re: Baiting Bill in Legislature [Re: Skinny] #286132
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Josh, I think it's 100 yds (300ft) from the line. If so, that would give you a whopping 200x200 yd square (9 acres if I'm doing my math right) right in the center of your 40. I hope there isn't a large opening in the center of that 40 preventing you from "hiding" your feeder. This is most definitely not designed for the little guy. Skinny is all over what this proposal is about.

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Originally Posted By: joshm28
So if you have a 40 acre tract of land (Perfect square for instance) you would only be able to put the feeder on the center 4 acres (300 yards from property line, assuming you also have a 1 acre green field within 200 yards. No thanks.


Originally Posted By: longspur69
Josh, I think it's 100 yds (300ft) from the line. If so, that would give you a whopping 200x200 yd square (9 acres if I'm doing my math right) right in the center of your 40. I hope there isn't a large opening in the center of that 40 preventing you from "hiding" your feeder. This is most definitely not designed for the little guy. Skinny is all over what this proposal is about.


It's about 8 1/4 acres...*IF* your property is a perfect square. If it isn't, you're probably SOL in terms of getting 100yds off the property line from every side.


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Re: Baiting Bill in Legislature [Re: Skinny] #286147
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If this passes it will be a GWs worst enforcement nightmare...


I've spent most of the money I've made in my lifetime on hunting and fishing. The rest I just wasted.....

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Re: Baiting Bill in Legislature [Re: BhamFred] #286151
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Originally Posted By: BhamFred
If this passes it will be a GWs worst enforcement nightmare...

I agree,but pass or not I hope the club I am in chooses not to bait,we have enough land that it should not bother us either way,we are already seeing it on our west border,the Miss. state line,and I can't tell that it made any difference at all.


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Re: Baiting Bill in Legislature [Re: Skinny] #286181
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I spoke to our state Senator today. He stated that since this was a Democrat sponsored bill, it was likely dead in the water. Don't be buying stock in the feeder companies yet....


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